When will Nadal win another tourney ?

[Kieran]

Get real yourself, brother. Typically taking a single quote without the full context of what he was saying, and drawing a prejudicial conclusion from it. :cover

The article has been linked, and I also quoted what Tignor was really saying: it was an important and significant moment in Rafa's season, so the celebration was appropriate. Just cos you don't like the bloke doesn't mean you have to project this into everything you write about him... :Nono

 

[Front242]

You can ask a million people whether this interpretation of Tignor is correct and 999,998 would agree. The other two would be Kieran and BS. This is not me putting words in Tignor's mouth. This is you shooting yourself in the foot by trying to argue over something with no basis.

Nonsense. You're projecting your need to criticise young Ralph onto an article you misread. It's kinda hilarious that you're still persisting with it, when you haven't shown a shred of anything that suggests Nadal overreacted at all. It's typical that you'd put a negative slant on such a small thing, so maybe you're the one who's overreacting...

Can't believe you're still dragging this on and on. Here's your evidence of overreaction. Christ!

 

[Fiero425]

OMG Rafa looks like a fool there! ;-(

 

[Kieran]

You can ask a million people whether this interpretation of Tignor is correct and 999,998 would agree. The other two would be Kieran and BS. This is not me putting words in Tignor's mouth. This is you shooting yourself in the foot by trying to argue over something with no basis.

Nonsense. You're projecting your need to criticise young Ralph onto an article you misread. It's kinda hilarious that you're still persisting with it, when you haven't shown a shred of anything that suggests Nadal overreacted at all. It's typical that you'd put a negative slant on such a small thing, so maybe you're the one who's overreacting...

Can't believe you're still dragging this on and on. Here's your evidence of overreaction. Christ!

We're not going to get dragged down to your level, are we? You can't even quote the Pope right when it comes to tennis, let's not ask you what Steve Tignor is saying.

Now, we have Front, Fiero, and GSM all going against Rafa. lot Objective witnesses indeed, m'lud, and none of them able to scan a document between them... :cover

 

[Front242]

^ Pretty sure if I scanned that and showed it to your judge he'd laugh his hole off at you defending Nadal for not overreacting :laydownlaughing

 

[Kieran]

^ Pretty sure if I scanned that and showed it to your judge he'd laugh his hole off at you defending Nadal for not overreacting :laydownlaughing

Yourself and GSM are great ones for linking an article, telling us what it "says" and then when we read it we find that it doesn't say that at all, and that you're pushing a shady agenda - and your reactions are the same: "this is what he means, only a blind man can't see it."

Here's the article you linked, quoting the Pope as saying that "all Italians are drug-crazed, match-fixing zombies..."

 

[Front242]

^ Pretty sure if I scanned that and showed it to your judge he'd laugh his hole off at you defending Nadal for not overreacting :laydownlaughing

Yourself and GSM are great ones for linking an article, telling us what it "says" and then when we read it we find that it doesn't say that at all, and that you're pushing a shady agenda - and your reactions are the same: "this is what he means, only a blind man can't see it."

Here's the article you linked, quoting the Pope as saying that "all Italians are drug-crazed, match-fixing zombies..."

Yes. Well done. Wrong article. Failed attempt at humour. I get it. How could Nadal's celebration be conceived as anything other than massive overreaction except to a mumbling baffoon who loves him so much he sleeps with a Nadal teddy bear at night and therefore can't say a single bad word about him?! We're not pushing any shady agenda, it was an overreaction. End of. There's no agenda. Wtf you on about? Agenda lol? It's just called saying what it is or was. An overreaction to winning a small tournament. He celebrated like he'd won a slam.

 

[Kieran]

^ Pretty sure if I scanned that and showed it to your judge he'd laugh his hole off at you defending Nadal for not overreacting :laydownlaughing

Yourself and GSM are great ones for linking an article, telling us what it "says" and then when we read it we find that it doesn't say that at all, and that you're pushing a shady agenda - and your reactions are the same: "this is what he means, only a blind man can't see it."

Here's the article you linked, quoting the Pope as saying that "all Italians are drug-crazed, match-fixing zombies..."

Yes. Well done. Wrong article. Failed attempt at humour. I get it. How could Nadal's celebration be conceived as anything other than massive overreaction except to a mumbling baffoon who loves him so much he sleeps with a Nadal teddy bear at night and therefore can't say a single bad word about him?! We're not pushing any shady agenda, it was an overreaction. End of. There's no agenda. Wtf you on about? Agenda lol? It's just called saying what it is or was. An overreaction to winning a small tournament. He celebrated like he'd won a slam.

Good man, getting the point, as usual. Did I get the wrong article regarding the Pope? Ah well, you'll never live that one down, brother...

 

[Front242]

Yourself and GSM are great ones for linking an article, telling us what it "says" and then when we read it we find that it doesn't say that at all, and that you're pushing a shady agenda - and your reactions are the same: "this is what he means, only a blind man can't see it."

Here's the article you linked, quoting the Pope as saying that "all Italians are drug-crazed, match-fixing zombies..."

Yes. Well done. Wrong article. Failed attempt at humour. I get it. How could Nadal's celebration be conceived as anything other than massive overreaction except to a mumbling baffoon who loves him so much he sleeps with a Nadal teddy bear at night and therefore can't say a single bad word about him?! We're not pushing any shady agenda, it was an overreaction. End of. There's no agenda. Wtf you on about? Agenda lol? It's just called saying what it is or was. An overreaction to winning a small tournament. He celebrated like he'd won a slam.

Good man, getting the point, as usual. Did I get the wrong article regarding the Pope? Ah well, you'll never live that one down, brother...

Actually I won't. This is another case of you failing to see the obvious as with the Nadal overreaction. Why do you think the pope warned Italian players against doping other than because he's well aware players from his country and indeed every country dope? Don't make yourself look anymore silly than you already have by trying to say Nadal wasn't overreacting.

http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/the-vatican/detail/articolo/sport-sport-deporte-doping-doping-dopaje-40941/

During an audience with the Italian Tennis Federation ahead of the Internazionali d’Italia tournament in Rome, Francis warned players against the risk of “taking shortcuts” through doping for example. He underlined that tennis is a “very competitive sport” that can put athletes under “pressure to achieve top results” when they can instead be “precious role models” to others.

“I have spoken on a number of occasions about sport as an educational experience. Today I wish to stress this: sport is an educational path,” the Pope said. “There are three paths, three fundamental pillars for children, tens and young people: education – academic and family –, sport and work. When we have all three, school, sport and work, then the conditions are in place for us to lead a really full life, steering clear from the kind of habits that poison and ruin our existence. The Church takes an interest in sport because it cares about people, about the whole person and it recognizes that sport influences a person’s education, their relationships, their spirituality. As athletes, you have a mission to fulfil: you can be precious role models to those who admire you. And you managers, coaches and sports professionals are also called to give a positive testimony of human values, leading examples of how sporting practice would always be loyal and clean. Yours is a highly competitive sport, but the pressure to achieve top results must never drive you to take shortcuts, as happens in the case of doping for example. A victory achieved by breaking the rules and fooling others is so ugly and sterile!”

 

[Kieran]

As usual, the Pope is correct.

As usual, Front is claiming the Pope has said something that we can all see that he didn't say. :laydownlaughing

Seriously bro, there's questions to be asked about you...

 

[Front242]

As usual, the Pope is correct.

As usual, Front is claiming the Pope has said something that we can all see that he didn't say. :laydownlaughing

Seriously bro, there's questions to be asked about you...

You must have a massive Ray Charles and Stevie Wonder collection as you are so blind to what is in front of your eyes.

 

[Kieran]

As usual, the Pope is correct.

As usual, Front is claiming the Pope has said something that we can all see that he didn't say. :laydownlaughing

Seriously bro, there's questions to be asked about you...

You must have a massive Ray Charles and Stevie Wonder collection as you are so blind to what is in front of your eyes.

Front, stop it, please. You're a bloke I like except for this stuff, where I have to choose my words very carefully because what you do and say is not honest. You claimed the Pope said Italian players were doping. And he didn't come even close to saying that. Take your time, read documents carefully, and quote from the documents to back up your claim. Don't tell us what it says, because we can all read, and when we bother to take the time to read it, it looks like you're up to something... :nono

 

[Front242]

As usual, the Pope is correct.

As usual, Front is claiming the Pope has said something that we can all see that he didn't say. :laydownlaughing

Seriously bro, there's questions to be asked about you...

You must have a massive Ray Charles and Stevie Wonder collection as you are so blind to what is in front of your eyes.

Front, stop it, please. You're a bloke I like except for this stuff, where I have to choose my words very carefully because what you do and say is not honest. You claimed the Pope said Italian players were doping. And he didn't come even close to saying that. Take your time, read documents carefully, and quote from the documents to back up your claim. Don't tell us what it says, because we can all read, and when we bother to take the time to read it, it looks like you're up to something... :nono

Not honest? You're just blind to the obvious, man. He's not an idiot and knows players dope. He comes from a country where an entire team (Juventus) used EPO in the champions league final years ago. Again, he is not an idiot. He is telling players not to dope because he knows there are many who do. Don't be clueless. And don't accuse me of being dishonest just because you fail to see the obvious. Thank you.

 

[Kieran]

You must have a massive Ray Charles and Stevie Wonder collection as you are so blind to what is in front of your eyes.

Front, stop it, please. You're a bloke I like except for this stuff, where I have to choose my words very carefully because what you do and say is not honest. You claimed the Pope said Italian players were doping. And he didn't come even close to saying that. Take your time, read documents carefully, and quote from the documents to back up your claim. Don't tell us what it says, because we can all read, and when we bother to take the time to read it, it looks like you're up to something... :nono

Not honest? You're just blind to the obvious, man. He's not an idiot and knows players dope. He comes from a country where an entire team (Juventus) used EPO in the champions league final years ago. Again, he is not an idiot. He is telling players not to dope because he knows there are many who do. Don't be clueless. And don't accuse me of being dishonest just because you fail to see the obvious. Thank you.

And yet, he didn't say what you claimed he said. No amount of bluff or loudness will change this. In fact, he didn't even insinuate it. You just made that part up to fit your cynical agenda. Which is wrong.

Like I say, quote from any documents where they explicitly refer to what you're pushing, because when you do it this way, we all see what you're up to.

And it isn't honest... :nono

 

[Front242]

You remind me of some of the judges letting criminals go back on the streets with no charge for an obvious crime. Must be some gift to fail to see so many obvious things people say and either blatantly refuse to see the obvious or just turn a blind eye to it.

 

[Kieran]

You remind me of some of the judges letting criminals go back on the streets with no charge for an obvious crime. Must be some gift to fail to see so many obvious things people say and either blatantly refuse to see the obvious or just turn a blind eye to it.

So obvious, and yet when your asked to show me where it is, you can't find it, you only give your own dire fiction. Give it a rest, bro, seriously. It's getting boring. Just stop making stuff up and we'll get along fine...

 

[Front242]

So the whole Juventus team being on EPO was fiction, yeah? Again, the pope comes from a country with a big doping problem and he himself is no dope. He is warning against doping because people from his country have been convicted of doping. He wouldn't say this without some underlying reason. Don't be naive and we'd get on better too and you wouldn't have pages and pages of denial thread after thread. You could instead have some acceptance of what is actually the blatantly obvious reality for a change.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/the-drug-scandal-that-blackens-the-name-of-juves-team-of-the-nineties-6156776.html

 

[Kieran]

Stop lying Front. The pope didn't say Italian players were doping. Either show me the direct words, or shut up about it. You're polluting everywhere with your fictions.

Getting back on topic, what's the odds on Rafa winning his next tournament this week?

 

[Front242]

Stop lying Front. The pope didn't say Italian players were doping. Either show me the direct words, or shut up about it. You're polluting everywhere with your fictions.

Getting back on topic, what's the odds on Rafa winning his next tournament this week?

LOL, ever watch the news? They don't spell things out for dummies but it's obvious to anyone with the slightest bit of grey matter what they're saying when they tell you their version of the story and let you work it out for yourself. The pope isn't going to name players just like the ITF/ATP aren't going to but you can be sure the guy isn't as blind as some of the denial on this thread and others. He knows players from his country (and indeed every country as I mentioned) dope. Only a fool in denial would think otherwise. As for Montreal, I couldn't care less who wins it. Won't be watching any tennis till maybe the final and even then only as background noise. Never cared much for this tournament. Cinci is the best US hard court tournament imo and the real fun starts at the USO.

 

[Kieran]

Buddy, only fools make claims they can't back up. You should quit that stuff, seriously.

As for Montreal, I'll probably not see much before the final either, time differences and all. I never make distinctions between Canada or Cinci, they're both good warm up events, but Canada is what we have. It's one of my favourite periods in the tennis calendar...