When will Nadal win another tourney ?

[Carol]

It feels painful to see Nadal working hard to come back to form. Its not that he is in a bad form. I think he lost his fitness for the way he played over years. Think how much his body would have taken the strain for his style of playing which is full of power. Personally i had a feeling when he was at his peak that he wont play for a long time. One difference between his close rival federer is that Roger plays with the opponent with variations and skills whereas Nadal plays with the ball on court with full of power and dismantles the oppont. I think he he has done enough even though his age is less. So there is no justice in expecting Nadal to run on the court like before after these many injuries.

Don't feel painful, Nadal is ok and more healthy than ever but remember, tennis is a sport that they can't stop to play, not even when they are in vacations, otherwise they lose the fitness very easy and it's tough to recovery it, he got it but not yet his confidence which is even more important than anything else . He has been many times out of the court because his knee which has bothered him for years but
not because the same "song" (his style to play) but because he broke his foot many years ego (he was


16) and the doctor told him that he probably couldn't play anymore......and after that he always has to play with a special insole in his shoe and the feet have totally connection with the knees
And about Fed, he should pray and thanks to all the tennis gods for his good luck not having any injury.
He is doing so much effort like anyone else but his frame of the body has helped him more than anything else and not because his variations but he has had something more advantageous than Nadal, his serve which is his best shot.
Look what Nadal says:

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/08/09/rafael-nadal-looking-to-end-slide-at-rogers-cup

Ya everyone can see he's working hard. but i meant about his style of playing which involves much strain. He has done great job over the years and it didnt surprise me to see him struggling to play like
before because of too much injuries. because of his tireless running and his hardwork to smash the


tennis ball with awesome power he was able to conquer the french open over a very long period. and i doubt whether he would be able to reach that fitness level at age nearing 30. And the form Djokovic is,
it looks Nadal shld come up with a lot of stuff more than he had at his peak. Lets hope he does..

Talking about Novak....another one that the way he plays, the way that he twists his legs and the ankles, the way that he moves his arms when he hit the ball, do you think that he is going to last too long playing that way? I know the yoga sessions is helping giving him to get that flexibility (the rubber man as Monfils) but it's a miracle that he doesn't get more injuries
If Rafa would recovery his total confidence then he would show one more time that it's not so difficult to beat Novak like he did in 2013. Look Wawrinka, he won RG for the first time thanks to the bad conditions of the best clay player and playing against the player who had more anxiety to win than anyone else. Wimbledon? who played well? Federer? sorry but he is not even the shadow that he was three years ego, he played pretty bad.
We'll see in Montreal, Rafa has a tough draw but his result will depend of him, his opponents? 2015 has been a very odd year, since the AO I haven't seen any of them playing so well, they were too inconsistent and Rafa lost matches that he never ever had to have lost

 

[DarthFed]

Don't feel painful, Nadal is ok and more healthy than ever but remember, tennis is a sport that they can't stop to play, not even when they are in vacations, otherwise they lose the fitness very easy and it's tough to recovery it, he got it but not yet his confidence which is even more important than anything else . He has been many times out of the court because his knee which has bothered him for years but
not because the same "song" (his style to play) but because he broke his foot many years ego (he was


16) and the doctor told him that he probably couldn't play anymore......and after that he always has to play with a special insole in his shoe and the feet have totally connection with the knees
And about Fed, he should pray and thanks to all the tennis gods for his good luck not having any injury.
He is doing so much effort like anyone else but his frame of the body has helped him more than anything else and not because his variations but he has had something more advantageous than Nadal, his serve which is his best shot.
Look what Nadal says:

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/08/09/rafael-nadal-looking-to-end-slide-at-rogers-cup

Ya everyone can see he's working hard. but i meant about his style of playing which involves much strain. He has done great job over the years and it didnt surprise me to see him struggling to play like
before because of too much injuries. because of his tireless running and his hardwork to smash the


tennis ball with awesome power he was able to conquer the french open over a very long period. and i doubt whether he would be able to reach that fitness level at age nearing 30. And the form Djokovic is,
it looks Nadal shld come up with a lot of stuff more than he had at his peak. Lets hope he does..

Talking about Novak....another one that the way he plays, the way that he twists his legs and the ankles, the way that he moves his arms when he hit the ball, do you think that he is going to last too long playing that way? I know the yoga sessions is helping giving him to get that flexibility (the rubber man as Monfils) but it's a miracle that he doesn't get more injuries
If Rafa would recovery his total confidence then he would show one more time that it's not so difficult to beat Novak like he did in 2013. Look Wawrinka, he won RG for the first time thanks to the bad conditions of the best clay player and playing against the player who had more anxiety to win than anyone else. Wimbledon? who played well? Federer? sorry but he is not even the shadow that he was three years ego, he played pretty bad.
We'll see in Montreal, Rafa has a tough draw but his result will depend of him, his opponents? 2015 has been a very odd year, since the AO I haven't seen any of them playing so well, they were too inconsistent and Rafa lost matches that he never ever had to have lost

His style of play is a lot less demanding than Rafa's. And Nole has a lot more offensive shotmaking and a better serve and therefore he usually cuts through players a lot more efficiently than Rafa ever has and it's easy to see why he aged better. He always was going to.

Rafa can return to 2013 all he wants if Nole plays like he has this year. It won't matter.

 

[Kieran]

One thing I love watching when Novak plays is the way he can slide on both grass and hard courts. I mean, it's almost ridiculous, but he's bendy and low on the ground and he does it as if it's clay. Extraordinary...

 

[GameSetAndMath]

No, he says Rafa's reaction was understandable, and if people think it's an overreaction, he gives context as to how important a win it was.

Why is it so important for you to always be negative about Rafa? He wins a tourney and you're gloating against him still? He gets injured and you make up Trojan horse threads to whack him with. He gets under your skin, right?

More than Rafa celebrating, I have a serious problem with you flat out denying that Tignor implied Rafa over-reacted, when it is so plain to see in his writing. Here you are trying to get away by refusing to see the elephant in the room.

It is Tignor who chooses how to write his article. If he wanted, he could have totally skipped saying anything about the celebration part and could have just talked about the match and future prospects for Rafa. Instead, he choose to talk about celebration, write a whole paragraph about it and make it the opening paragraph. It is general journalistic principle to put the most important thing in the opening paragraph.

If I say "You are failing to see a simple thing here, but I understand as fandom has blinded your eyes", I am not negating my statement that "You are failing to see a simple thing here". Similarly, when Tignor says "Rafa won a 500 but celebrated like a GS, but I understand as he is very desperate", he is not negating his assertion that Rafa overreacted. He simply says, he is not puzzled and has an understanding of why Rafa overreacted.

I don't understand why you make such a big deal of straightforward sentences.

I have a problem with you pretending it's about that.

Tignor says (paraphrasing, in case you don't understand), "if you think Rafa is overreacting, you don't understand how important this win is." And then he tells us how important it is. The elephant in the room is your persistently clumsy attempts to slag off Rafa. You should learn how to scan a document before posting.

Tignor did not write "Some may think Rafa won a 500 and celebrated like he won a GS" and then proceed to explain. He wrote "Rafa won a 500 and celebrated like he won a GS", which clearly means that it is Tignor's personal opinion that Rafa overreacted. If somebody is putting words in Tignor's mouth, it is you.

An article is his perspective of events. If he thought Rafa did not overreact, he would not even talk about the celebration in the first place.

If you don't want to see the truth, you will not see it, no matter how clear it is. Hence, I am going to stop this pointless argument over the meaning of straightforward sentences that even non-native speakers will have no trouble understanding.

It is amazing that you are denying the reality that is in plain sight. Hope you are OK. I mean it very sincerely. May the Almighty help you come to senses soon.

 

[Kieran]

:laydownlaughing

Good man! I love the "sincerity", it's an uncommon touch. You can have the last word. It obviously means a lot to you...

 

[Carol]

Ya everyone can see he's working hard. but i meant about his style of playing which involves much strain. He has done great job over the years and it didnt surprise me to see him struggling to play like
before because of too much injuries. because of his tireless running and his hardwork to smash the


tennis ball with awesome power he was able to conquer the french open over a very long period. and i doubt whether he would be able to reach that fitness level at age nearing 30. And the form Djokovic is,
it looks Nadal shld come up with a lot of stuff more than he had at his peak. Lets hope he does..

Talking about Novak....another one that the way he plays, the way that he twists his legs and the ankles, the way that he moves his arms when he hit the ball, do you think that he is going to last too long playing that way? I know the yoga sessions is helping giving him to get that flexibility (the rubber
man as Monfils) but it's a miracle that he doesn't get more injuries
If Rafa would recovery his total confidence then he would show one more time that it's not so difficult to beat Novak like he did in 2013. Look Wawrinka, he won RG for the first time thanks to the bad conditions of the best clay player and playing against the player who had more anxiety to win than anyone else. Wimbledon? who played well? Federer? sorry but he is not even the shadow that he was three years ego, he played pretty bad.
We'll see in Montreal, Rafa has a tough draw but his result will depend of him, his opponents? 2015 has been a very odd year, since the AO I haven't seen any of them playing so well, they were too inconsistent and Rafa lost matches that he never ever had to have lost

His style of play is a lot less demanding than Rafa's. And Nole has a lot more offensive shotmaking and a better serve and therefore he usually cuts through players a lot more efficiently than Rafa ever has and it's easy to see why he aged better. He always was going to.

Rafa can return to 2013 all he wants if Nole plays like he has this year. It won't matter.

Is his style of play less demanding than Rafa? I don't think so, he has improved a lot his serve but his style and the way he try to reach every point required a lot of physical conditions
Nole is not playing so well like in 2011, not even close but the others players are far to play their best between injures, inconsistent game and the age of some of them

 

[DarthFed]

He's not that far off the pace of 2011 so far. Still a ways to go (mainly he has to win USO for it to be a comparable year) but he's way beyond the level he was at from 2012-2014.

 

[Fiero425]

He's not that far off the pace of 2011 so far. Still a ways to go (mainly he has to win USO for it to be a comparable year) but he's way beyond the level he was at from 2012-2014.

Not even Federer has had this good a start with AO, 4 Masters, Wimbledon, and appearance in FO final! He's been close, but not sure how anyone could come close to this level! Even when players are good enough to win 2-3 majors in a season, the Masters don't always come along for the ride; even with the GOAT! :angel: :dodgy: :eyepop

 

[Kieran]

Novak's nowhere near his 2011 level, but he hasn't had to be. He's had no rival this year to push him, only his own sense of direction, which is doing well enough for him. It's kinda like the seasons Roger had before Rafa arrived to challenge him...

 

[Fiero425]

Novak's nowhere near his 2011 level, but he hasn't had to be. He's had no rival this year to push him, only his own sense of direction, which is doing well enough for him. It's kinda like the seasons Roger had before Rafa arrived to challenge him...

I can agree with that! Nole's results are the same as 2011, but he hasn't had to push himself that much! Rafa was in those finals and so far no one's really challenged him! So true! :nono :angel: :dodgy:

 

[Backhand_DTL]

I actually don't think that Novak's level this year is that much lower than 2011 but that his game is a bit different now so most of his wins seem rather routine than dominating. His serve is clearly better now and in my opinion he also improved his abilities to control the play immediately after serve and return and to end points earlier. His ground game and the return as a shot itself, especially against 1st serves, are not as consistently great as they were four years ago though.

I also think, that he is more comfortable with just having a one break lead and relying on holding his serve for the rest of the set recently. For example in the matches against Kokkinakis at the French Open or Cilic or Gasquet at Wimbledon I got the impression he didn't try too hard to get a second break after getting ahead, whereas in the years before he more or less put an effort into every game when not having a lapse of concentration.

 

[DarthFed]

Novak's nowhere near his 2011 level, but he hasn't had to be. He's had no rival this year to push him, only his own sense of direction, which is doing well enough for him. It's kinda like the seasons Roger had before Rafa arrived to challenge him...

Rafa is the only real difference between 2011 competition and the 2015 competition. It is a big difference, mind you, but people are acting like everyone was great in 2011 and everyone is terrible now. Murray is better now, Roger is probably just slightly worse, and then you have more threats from the 2nd tier such as Stan. It's not like this is 2010 competition...

 

[Kieran]

I notice we have now three Fedal threads... :laydownlaughing

 

[Riotbeard]

My take on this thread:

[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju4-bw3a48E[/video]

 

[Carol]

I notice we have now three Fedal threads... :laydownlaughing

:laydownlaughing

 

[Kirijax]

That's because Fedal fans are like pitbulls. They never let go.

And the rest of us like to watch, occasionally throwing in a bone into the ring to get 'em all riled up again.

 

[Kieran]

I think it's just this board is obsessed with Rafa. I mean, nobody is discussing Federer, are they?

 

[Carol]

I think it's just this board is obsessed with Rafa. I mean, nobody is discussing Federer, are they?

Only this board? lot :snicker

 

[Kirijax]

I think it's just this board is obsessed with Rafa. I mean, nobody is discussing Federer, are they?

This board is more balanced I think. One of the reasons I came to TF was because the nauseating Nadalism was just too much to stomach. There are some real loons out there.

 

[Fiero425]

I think it's just this board is obsessed with Rafa. I mean, nobody is discussing Federer, are they?

What do you want said about Roger? He's not even playing this week! The poor thing needs his rest before that last push for a major! This might be it; ya never know! uzzled :nono :angel: :dodgy: :ras: