US Politics Thread

[Kieran]

the people you vote for.

The point being, they get to vote - and their vote is meaningful. Unlike the citizens of Palestine or Russia…

 

[Front242]

Straightforward question, brother, a yes or no is quite sufficient. Deflections are not answers.

In your opinion, is Vladimir Putin a tyrant?

Straightforward answer so. Yes, I suppose he fits that definition. Did he cause the Ukraine crisis, no he didn't. Are the Americans who silence any dissent any better? They've tried to kill Trump twice now and will try again before the elections quite possibly.

 

[Fiero425]

Straightforward answer so. Yes, I suppose he fits that definition. Did he cause the Ukraine crisis, no he didn't. Are the Americans who silence any dissent any better? They've tried to kill Trump twice now and will try again before the elections quite possibly.

Who TF is "they;" 2 of his past supporters? Trump lies so much, even Republicans are going against him! They once supported him, now they're not! That isn't allowed? Trump calls anyone who doesn't vote for him traitors & "enemies of the state!" He's so FOS!

 

[Kieran]

Straightforward answer so. Yes, I suppose he fits that definition.

Thank you. So why do you think he’s a tyrant?

 

[Front242]

The point being, they get to vote - and their vote is meaningful. Unlike the citizens of Palestine or Russia…

You're on cloud cuckoo land. The scumbags on the left have had a 3 against 1 "debate" fact checking Trump and letting Harris ramble on with her lies with no fact checking. 60 minutes completely edited what she said and aired only the edited version to the public. Harris was wearing bluetooth earrings at the "debate" and helped all the way thru it by her team and the 2 corrupt "moderators". Democracy is a sham...

US votes are not meaningful and the system is completely manipulated. Even if he gets more votes, there's no way they'll let Trump win as they can't let their wars end so it's no different than Russia.

 

[Front242]

Who TF is "they;" 2 of his past supporters? The man lies so much, even Republicans are going against him! They once supported him, now they're not! That isn't allowed? Trump calls anyone who doesn't vote for him traitors & "enemies of the state!" He's so FOS!

You're a complete buffoon if you seriously are dumb enough to think his own supporters tried to kill him. I'm at a loss for words. Don't believe everything (or anything) your mainstream media tell you. Gotta hand it to them, they do a good job at brainwashing the masses. Trust me, it was not his own supporters trying to kill him. The media are just planting lies in the minds of their Harris/Biden supporters cos they are scum with no morals. Whatever it takes to win votes.

Let's say your favourite band are X? Why the hell would you go to their concert and try and shoot their lead singer or blow them up?! See, the media lies you've been told make no sense. The 2nd guy who tried to kill Trump was very pro Ukraine and he tried to kill Trump because he knows Harris will prolong that conflict while Trump will end it. It'd never have even started if Trump was still in power.

 

[Front242]

Thank you. So why do you think he’s a tyrant?

People being locked up for talking about the "war". The US are no better though as I said.

 

[Kieran]

People being locked up for talking about the "war". The US are no better though as I said.

What about his political opponents being assassinated and imprisoned? What about his not allowing free speech? You’re talking nonsense if you think the US are no better. The US has crazies on both sides, and terrible candidates in the forthcoming election, and there are issues regarding free speech and social media interference in the last election and during the pandemic, but you’re talking nonsense if you think that what Putin is doing is the same. It’s just so much more dangerous to stand up to Putin than anything that’s happening in America. Look at what happened to Alexei Navalny.

Anyway, I’m glad you accept that he’s a tyrant. There’s a trail of crumbs you can follow from that, that’ll help you see clearly why what he’s doing in Ukraine is typical of what tyrants always do.

He’s not interested in ethnic Russians in Ukraine. He’s not even interested in ethnic Russians in Russia…

 

[Front242]

What about his political opponents being assassinated and imprisoned? What about his not allowing free speech? You’re talking nonsense if you think the US are no better. The US has crazies on both sides, and terrible candidates in the forthcoming election, and there are issues regarding free speech and social media interference in the last election and during the pandemic, but you’re talking nonsense if you think that what Putin is doing is the same. It’s just so much more dangerous to stand up to Putin than anything that’s happening in America. Look at what happened to Alexei Navalny.

Anyway, I’m glad you accept that he’s a tyrant. There’s a trail of crumbs you can follow from that, that’ll help you see clearly why what he’s doing in Ukraine is typical of what tyrants always do.

He’s not interested in ethnic Russians in Ukraine. He’s not even interested in ethnic Russians in Russia…

There have been 2 recent assassination attempts on Trump. Absolutely unprecedented and no one in the left supporting scum media gives a shit. The headlines barely lasted a few days. Imagine if someone tried to kill Biden or Harris? We'd never hear the end of it. Yes, the Navalny situation is suss and rough but no proof but I personally believe Prigozhin is alive and in Africa somewhere as a mercenary and the plane being blown up didn't have him inside.

JFK was killed too. The US are no better. Harris and the left are trying to end free speech and the already censor the shit out everything and edit all her interviews and have completely biased moderators pn her side. Also, liok at the UK which is worse than Russia in that regard with more arrests than Russia over social media. Btw it's not just the last election, there's daily interference by the left with THIS election but thankfully a lot of people see thru their bs. The problem is the sheer stupidity of so many voters (see the video I posted yesterday) and the corruption whereby they'll never let Trump win anyway means we're screwed and the nukes are inevitable...

 

[Kieran]

There have been 2 recent assassination attempts on Trump. Absolutely unprecedented and no one in the left supporting scum media gives a shit. The headlines barely lasted a few days. Imagine if someone tried to kill Biden or Harris? We'd never hear the end of it. Yes, the Navalny situation is suss and rough but no proof but I personally believe Prigozhin is alive and in Africa somewhere as a mercenary and the plane being blown up didn't have him inside.

The Navalny situation is not “suss”, he was illegally imprisoned then killed, at Putin’s request. It’s straightforward. I agree about the assassination attempts on Trump and the rhetoric from the left - but Joe Biden didn’t order him killed. Richard Nixon didn’t order the Kennedy assassination.

You’re confusing too many things here. There’s a difference when there’s only one ruling party - and one corrupt ruling individual who controls everything and is the one ordering the killings.

The levels of corruption available in America are available to both sides. The culture has swung too far to the left, destructively so, but people are still free to argue and try to change that, and inevitably they will, before it swings freely back again, and so on..

 

[Front242]

The Navalny situation is not “suss”, he was illegally imprisoned then killed, at Putin’s request. It’s straightforward. I agree about the assassination attempts on Trump and the rhetoric from the left - but Joe Biden didn’t order him killed. Richard Nixon didn’t order the Kennedy assassination.

You’re confusing too many things here. There’s a difference when there’s only one ruling party - and one corrupt ruling individual who controls everything and is the one ordering the killings.

The levels of corruption available in America are available to both sides. The culture has swung too far to the left, destructively so, but people are still free to argue and try to change that, and inevitably they will, before it swings freely back again, and so on..

Tim Walz, the idiot said it best. "We can't afford 4 more years of this!" What an absolute clown.

I agree, Tim! We can't ! Btw, Joe Biden said "It's time to put Trump in a bullseye".

You can argue some nonsense such as what Moxie wrote before on this but the bottom line is that rhetoric caused it and there's no proof Biden didn't order it either after that comment. Let's not forget the complete lack of response from the secret service. This was a planned event.

 

[Moxie]

I'm sorry that I can't find any clip that includes all of Trump's response to this man, Ramiro Gonzalez, at the Univision town hall, but it was telling. Mr. Gonzalez asked a very good question, about Jan. 6th, and offered DJT the opportunity to distance himself from it and win his vote. Instead, Trump called it a "day of love," referred to the insurrectionists as "we," and the police as "they." The man's head wag of disappointment says it all. Or almost all. Interviewed in Spanish by Univision after, he said he was not satisfied by the answer, and would not be voting for Trump. Also, really listen to the question.

 

[Front242]

 

[Front242]

According to who?

Israel continues bombardment of southern Lebanon amid famine risk in northern Gaza

Israel has faced international condemnation over the levels of aid reaching hunger-ravaged Gaza.

www.thejournal.ie

"The Israeli campaign has killed 42,409 people, the majority civilians, according to figures from the health ministry in the Hamas-run territory which the UN considers reliable."

 

[Kieran]

Israel continues bombardment of southern Lebanon amid famine risk in northern Gaza

Israel has faced international condemnation over the levels of aid reaching hunger-ravaged Gaza.

www.thejournal.ie

"The Israeli campaign has killed 42,409 people, the majority civilians, according to figures from the health ministry in the Hamas-run territory which the UN considers reliable."

You really think Hamas, a psycho killer group, are reliable?

Forget the UN, they’re like WHO during the pandemic: totally not fit for purpose..

 

[Front242]

You really think Hamas, a psycho killer group, are reliable?

Forget the UN, they’re like WHO during the pandemic: totally not fit for purpose..

Sigh. It's been verified as reliable by the UN. I agree they're useless at many things but I trust them to verify death counts and it doesn't take a genius to work it out. Rather pathetic your post got another like as well. Take a look at what these Israeli animals have done and try not to lie to yourself. Those figures are greatly underestimated. Imagine how many bodies are under that rubble. Just look at the state of Gaza ffs. The irony that you got the psycho killer groups mixed up btw. The psycho killers are the so called "good guys" with US blood on their hands thanks to them supplying all the weapons.

gaza destruction - Google Search

 

[Front242]

Different treatment for Trump than all the other ex presidents. As if you "democrat" supporting numpties didn't know this already but anyway.

 

[Moxie]

Different treatment for Trump than all the other ex presidents. As if you "democrat" supporting numpties didn't know this already but anyway.

Now that Biden is not running, what is your hard-on for Trump? Just admit that you like a dictator. And what ever happened to your concern for a candidate's mental acuity, which, in Trump seems to be seriously compromised? Now he's the old guy, but you're suddenly ok with that?

And take the rest of it to the international politics or middle east thread, please. We are close to the election, and everything in US politics can't be about the entire world, all the time.

 

[Front242]

Now that Biden is not running, what is your hard-on for Trump? Just admit that you like a dictator. And what ever happened to your concern for a candidate's mental acuity, which, in Trump seems to be seriously compromised? Now he's the old guy, but you're suddenly ok with that?

And take the rest of it to the international politics or middle east thread, please. We are close to the election, and everything in US politics can't be about the entire world, all the time.

Haha dictator. Wtaf?! How the hell is Trump a dictator?! I'd rather he was way younger, yes. Your "democrat" muppet is around 20 years younger but yet she can't even say basic stuff without reading teleprompters or notes on her desk. They have to heavily edit her interviews and 3 against 1 "debates" where her lies are never fact checked and they fact check the shit out of Trump so spare us the bs.

The most important thing is the safety of mankind from nuclear war. 3 prophecies of doom for 2025. It's not looking good if that cackling, alcoholic, marijuana smoking Indian gets in. No one is taking it to the middle east thread. The most important thing about your fucked up country is that impacts the survival of mankind so the wars your country fund are the very top key issues.

 

[Moxie]

Haha dictator. Wtaf?! How the hell is Trump a dictator?!

He has said he will be, "If only for a day." That's bad enough for me. Plus, he loves all of the strongman dictators out there, which you seem to have no problem with, like Putin, Orban and Kim Jong-Un, abhorred, rightfully, by much of the world.

I'd rather he was way younger, yes.

Do you ignore his clear inability to complete a sentence? All of his recent malapropisms and mis-naming of people, which is something you posted a LOT about when it was Biden? Just asking if there is a double-standard here.

Your "democrat" muppet is around 20 years younger but yet she can't even say basic stuff without reading teleprompters or notes on her desk. They have to heavily edit her interviews and 3 against 1 "debates" where her lies are never fact checked and they fact check the shit out of Trump so spare us the bs.

She speaks very well extemporaneously, unlike Trump. It was not a 3 against 1 debate, unless you finally just want Trump to get Fox and fed the questions. He had 5 full minutes longer to speak than she did in that debate, and he used it to hang himself. Why was he more fact-checked in it? Because he lies all the time! If you can't see that, that's on you. It's NOT BS...it's an effort to keep him on track.

The most important thing is the safety of mankind from nuclear war.

So don't give the convicted felon with no personal governor the codes, would be my suggestion.

3 prophecies of doom for 2025. It's not looking good if that cackling, alcoholic, marijuana smoking Indian gets in.

Pot smoking alcoholic? Where do you get that from? Seriously. You are like Trump with the unfounded personal attacks. I called Trump a convicted felon above, but he actually is one.

No one is taking it to the middle east thread. The most important thing about your fucked up country is that impacts the survival of mankind so the wars your country fund are the very top key issues.

Fine if you think so, but arguments are parsed out in threads here. You are ruining a perfectly good conversation about the upcoming election with your endless diatribe about the Middle east and Ukraine. You don't make them about the elections, or US Politics. It is helpful to distinguish arguments and conversations. I'm sure you can understand that.

I'm sorry you think my country is fucked up, but I'd be perfectly happy if you'd stay away from discussing our politics, then, especially if you're advocating for us installing a fascist, which you are. You clearly don't understand what would be best for us. I also don't think you understand what would be best for you. Like a strong NATO.