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[Federberg]

Even if it was inappropriate it does not merit responding in violence. let me double down, If a female comedienne had done the same joke, striking her would be just wrong but many more would see it right away. That is the double standard.

So yes, I don't also understand the confusion.

that's not a worthwhile hypothetical. I've heard lots of these. More common is that Will Smith wouldn't have done that to a white man. Why do we have to go there. The. facts are what they were. When we start justifying actions based on hypotheticals we've lost the thread. And frankly it's not clear to me that a woman would have made a joke about ill health or disfigurement to a woman that could potentially ambush a woman's career

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

that would be so weak! The time to do it was before they gave it him. I can't imagine they. would be that stupid and clumsy. I hope they're not. I mean... who would want to accept the Oscar now? Madness

Agree, down in Australia,I live in Sydney it has been big news,just heard while watching a tennis match,the academy thinking of stripping his award,maybe everyone is getting caught up in the aftermath of what happened.

 

[the AntiPusher]

I'm sorry but it's NOT the same. It's one thing to make a joke about the things that people have done wrong (Ricky Gervais is good at that). Making. a joke about someone's illness is different. I don't understand the confusion here

Question, what's the difference between someone making a joke about male pattern baldness, or a female who had thinning hair as she gets older. alopecia hair loss is not an illness that someone can eventually loose a limb or life from. If Jada was battling leukemia or something in that realm I would agree. The best thing about this is that it should bring awareness to his wife immune disorder and that's the way he should have handle it. If Will would have taken the high road, the joke would have been forgotten. This was really much to do about nothing but the Smiths made it a bit of a circus. Who will Ever remember the other winners of the night although it was pretty triple boring until my main Man Chris Rock gave the show energy as he always does.

 

[the AntiPusher]

people are too caught up in all that. If they had an open relationship then why would he "jump" on the guy? Should Jada jump on all the women he had entanglements with?

the difference is that she publicized her entanglement for her show. i don't recall Will hosting a show where he had to address his other liaisons. If Chris joke was so harmful, why did Will laugh? Come on guy, Chris Rock was harsher on the late Chris Reeves. Heck, I'm gonna pay to see Chris Rock on tour this year and I hope he mentions OJ because he knows how to push those old buttons. Chris is a comedian. fI you have thin skin don't be a celebrity.

 

[Federberg]

Question, what's the difference between someone making a joke about male pattern baldness, or a female who had thinning hair as she gets older. alopecia hair loss is not an illness that someone can eventually loose a limb or life from. If Jada was battling leukemia or something in that realm I would agree. The best thing about this is that it should bring awareness to his wife immune disorder and that's the way he should have handle it. If Will would have taken the high road, the joke would have been forgotten. This was really much to do about nothing but the Smiths made it a bit of a circus. Who will Ever remember the other winners of the night although it was pretty triple boring until my main Man Chris Rock gave the show energy as he always does.

I'm sorry but that doesn't work for me. Men and women are socialised differently. Female beauty has an entirely different basis in society. So it's weird to me that you would equate those two example. It's the reason why a woman is more likely to. have acid thrown in her face than a man would. And let me repeat what. I believe I've already said before. I am in no way condoning what Will Smith did. Not one bit. But I can certainly understand it. I just don't understand those who want to seem so invested in Will Smith's malfeasance that efforts are actually being made to minimise the wrong that was done to him

 

[the AntiPusher]

that would be so weak! The time to do it was before they gave it him. I can't imagine they. would be that stupid and clumsy. I hope they're not. I mean... who would want to accept the Oscar now? Madness

The Academy never said that they were considering it. I think a reporter inquired if the act violated their "standards". They would have to go back and review Polanski and Woody Allen post Oscar winning behavior. It would be different if Chris Rock filed assaults' charges.

 

[Jelenafan]

Look, I wrote that in the moment. Anyone writing today has had to the time to think about it and the benefit of the editorial opinions of others. I think it was an overreaction on Will Smith's part, and I also agree with @Federberg that neither does Rock serve excessive pity. And I won't entertain the "what if" of had it been Amy Schumer, etc., because the circumstances would have been different, so I am I to know? I'm just not going to manufacture an outrage over this that I don't feel. The man got slapped, not assaulted. At least he was able to laugh it off, which was the correct response. Clearly, Jada didn't like the remark. Will Smith would have been tense, waiting for his category to come up, and I do think that the role he played, and the fact of the Sisters having been previously insulted from the podium by Jane Campion at another show may have played a part. That's my opinion. When he was striding towards Chris Rock, and Chris realized he wasn't joking, he called him "Richard." I don't know exactly why it didn't bother me as much as it clearly has others, but it didn't.

Bit of a stretch. Like three miles long.

that's not a worthwhile hypothetical. I've heard lots of these. More common is that Will Smith wouldn't have done that to a white man. Why do we have to go there. The. facts are what they were. When we start justifying actions based on hypotheticals we've lost the thread. And frankly it's not clear to me that a woman would have made a joke about ill health or disfigurement to a woman that could potentially ambush a woman's career

How is it hypothetical? Let me make this clear. I don't think the joke itself, as inappropriate and offensive as it was, merited the response of Will Smith. Period.

The double standard comes in because he was a Black Male actor striking a Black Male Comedian and the pretense is he was protecting his wife's honor. So help me, people are even invoking Richard Williams and his battles for his daughters. The double standard is that in this case the violence IS merited by virtue of who it involved. Apparently others can parse that to justify him , IMO it doesn't hold water.

 

[the AntiPusher]

I'm sorry but that doesn't work for me. Men and women are socialised differently. Female beauty has an entirely different basis in society. So it's weird to me that you would equate those two example. It's the reason why a woman is more likely to. have acid thrown in her face than a man would. And let me repeat what. I believe I've already said before. I am in no way condoning what Will Smith did. Not one bit. But I can certainly understand it. I just don't understand those who want to seem so invested in Will Smith's malfeasance that efforts are actually being made to minimise the wrong that was done to him

You are talking about Hair. not facial or something that has disfigured Jada but her hair. Loosing hair and being disfigured is mutually exclusive.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

The Academy never said that they were considering it. I think a reporter inquired if the act violated their "standards". They would have to go back and review Polanski and Woody Allen post Oscar winning behavior. It would be different if Chris Rock filed assaults' charges.

Just heard the Academy is doing a review on the incident?

 

[Federberg]

the difference is that she publicized her entanglement for her show. i don't recall Will hosting a show where he had to address his other liaisons. If Chris joke was so harmful, why did Will laugh? Come on guy, Chris Rock was harsher on the late Chris Reeves. Heck, I'm gonna pay to see Chris Rock on tour this year and I hope he mentions OJ because he knows how to push those old buttons. Chris is a comedian. fI you have thin skin don't be a celebrity.

it seems to me he was trying to avoid the pass he reached. I'm amazed that no effort is being made to understand what was happening. in that moment for him. The man was the putative winner of the prize. Cameras on him. I doubt he enjoyed the joke, but he tried to ride with it. Probably initially thinking about his own dignity. But then you turn around and see your wife in pain. Sometimes that's the straw. Accept it or not...and as for thin skinned? You can be thick skinned about your own shit, but if it's a love one...

 

[Federberg]

Anyway we're getting into the weeds here. Clearly we're not going to change each others mind. I'm ok with that

 

[Jelenafan]

Anyway we're getting into the weeds here. Clearly we're not going to change each others mind. I'm ok with that

Hold on let me bitchslap you here!

All kidding aside, I agree 100% with you. ; )

On another note, I'm ticked Jessica Chastain won for the Tammy Faye Baker movie, why is the Academy continually impressed with beautiful women putting on prosthetics to make themselves look disfigured, fatter or different. That is NOT acting, that's just the makeup department and special effects.

 

[the AntiPusher]

it seems to me he was trying to avoid the pass he reached. I'm amazed that no effort is being made to understand what was happening. in that moment for him. The man was the putative winner of the prize. Cameras on him. I doubt he enjoyed the joke, but he tried to ride with it. Probably initially thinking about his own dignity. But then you turn around and see your wife in pain. Sometimes that's the straw. Accept it or not...and as for thin skinned? You can be thick skinned about your own shit, but if it's a love one...

So Jada is hurt because she currently at 50 looks as good or better than Demi did more than 25 years ago in JI Jane? When the female host made a joke about their open relationship, she wasnt hurt but a low hair cut hurt her emotionally. Really? Come on Man.. These are ACTORS. This Is an ACTOR's biggest stage and night. If you see otherwise than its your opinion. I'm open to get down to LA and join Jada's red circle entanglement.

 

[the AntiPusher]

Just heard the Academy is doing a review on the incident?

They aint gonna mess with his award.

 

[Federberg]

Hold on let me bitchslap you here!

All kidding aside, I agree 100% with you. ; )

On another note, I'm ticked Jessica Chastain won for the Tammy Faye Baker movie, why is the Academy continually impressed with beautiful women putting on prosthetics to make themselves look disfigured, fatter or different. That is NOT acting, that's just the makeup department and special effects.

this sort of bolsters my point about why a beautiful actress who is suffering an illness that detracts from her looks might be depressed. Even the beautiful ones get asked to play ugos...

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

They aint gonna mess with his award.

I am not saying they will take back his award at all,academy is just going to review the incident,which is fair enough.

 

[Jelenafan]

this sort of bolsters my point about why a beautiful actress who is suffering an illness that detracts from her looks might be depressed. Even the beautiful ones get asked to play ugos...

The one good thing this year is that the hammy overacting in the House of Gucci was overlooked. Jared Leto as one of the Gucci Brothers with his fat suit and thick Italian accent was sooo over the top and offensive.

I still remember Francis Ford Coppola saying when he made the first Godfather movie that he was so sick and tired of Italian American characters born and raised in the States talking in movies with thick Italian accents.

In the case of the House of Gucci, they should have NO accents as they ostensibly were portraying Native Italians speaking Italian and just translated to the screen in English.

 

[Kieran]

Look, I wrote that in the moment. Anyone writing today has had to the time to think about it and the benefit of the editorial opinions of others. I think it was an overreaction on Will Smith's part, and I also agree with @Federberg that neither does Rock serve excessive pity. And I won't entertain the "what if" of had it been Amy Schumer, etc., because the circumstances would have been different, so I am I to know? I'm just not going to manufacture an outrage over this that I don't feel. The man got slapped, not assaulted. At least he was able to laugh it off, which was the correct response. Clearly, Jada didn't like the remark. Will Smith would have been tense, waiting for his category to come up, and I do think that the role he played, and the fact of the Sisters having been previously insulted from the podium by Jane Campion at another show may have played a part. That's my opinion. When he was striding towards Chris Rock, and Chris realized he wasn't joking, he called him "Richard." I don't know exactly why it didn't bother me as much as it clearly has others, but it didn't.

Well, I'm glad you kind of modified your initial reaction, because violence isn't ever the response to a joke you don't like. Will could have proven his acting chops better than any Oscar win by sucking it up. It was a joke. And pampered Hollywood actors better get used to being roasted because its only going to get worse, and I hope it does. And a slap is assault. And Tented is correct - would anyone be okay if Will Smith attacked Wanda? What if a white actor slapped Wanda - what reaction would he get?

We need comedians to keep doing what they're doing. Sure, they misfire occasionally but that's part of the price we pay for them telling some home truths. Recently Dave Chappelle fell foul of people who can't handle comedy, Ricky Gervais has come under fire, and now a comedian was attacked on stage on the biggest night in Hollywood. It's unacceptable. All of it. Demented, confused bullies trying to silence Chappelle, Chris Rock being assaulted on stage. That all has to stop. Next we'll see it in clubs and bars, dull, brutal, violent people thinking they have an example of how tackle the comedian.

Will Smith went nuts, and he can't be excused because Jane Campion said something that the sisters felt insulted about. Jane Campion is a trooper, a legend, she's been making films for years and she's earned the right to say whatever she feels when it comes to her experience in Hollywood, and she shouldn't apologise for it. She's earned her awards not because her politics are modish, but because she's a great artist.

Anyway, I think this will make for great material for Chris Rock. I'd rather listen to him than watch the Fresh Prince, to be honest. I hope he goes to town with it...

 

[the AntiPusher]

I am not saying they will take back his award at all,academy is just going to review the incident,which is fair enough.

what's fair.. why not review Woody Allen and Polanski.. what about any award that was influenced by harvey weinstein.. that's fair..

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

what's fair.. why not review Woody Allen and Polanski.. what about any award that was influenced by harvey weinstein.. that's fair..

Lets keep to the present okay.,those others you mentioned,I just shudder still in disbelief.