Rafa Complaining

[Denis]

Jesus, can we please for ONCE have the ability and mental resolve to isolate incidents and separate them from unrelated ones?

Yes, Nadal complains a lot. Some of it gets redundant. If this were another complaint about hard courts or the length of the season, then by all means create a thread like this, because he sounds like a broken record on those issues.

However, just because he complains too much about something, doesn't mean he can't complain about something else, especially when it's legitimate. Now, I have no idea how the balls in China play and I've barely been paying attention to the tournament. But since he's not the only one bringing this up, then maybe, just MAYBE, he has a point? Shouldn't that be a bigger concern (since it's seemingly affecting players) than "oh, here goes Rafa complaining again!"

Like seriously, what problem do you have about him complaining about the balls? It's not like he's been struggling so far. I bet most didn't even bother clicking the link provided by Federberg. If you did, you'd notice that Murray echoed his sentiments. So what's the big deal?

What does that have to do with the fact that he complains about hard courts a lot? These are unrelated.

Did this really warrant its own thread? Couldn't it have been mentioned in the Beijing thread? On the flip-side, Rafa fans need to be chill. Lacatch is not trolling. I mean, you could have at least Googled before calling him a troll. Also, reacting with "yeah but Federer has complained here and there" is irrelevant.

BUT, equally, saying "oh well, Federer has a point in his complaints" is only fine if you apply it both ways. Doesn't Nadal have a point here as well? So why criticize him?

This long-winded post is simply a way to state that this is really overblown and these forums are getting silly in that regard.

Uhm, I don't get why Nadal is complaining about the 'changing' of the balls on tour. He hasn't been on it for months. How can he know?

Anyways, now that he is eliminated he has some more time to adjust to the balls in Shanghai. So he can't complain there .

 

[DarthFed]

Jesus, can we please for ONCE have the ability and mental resolve to isolate incidents and separate them from unrelated ones?

Yes, Nadal complains a lot. Some of it gets redundant. If this were another complaint about hard courts or the length of the season, then by all means create a thread like this, because he sounds like a broken record on those issues.

However, just because he complains too much about something, doesn't mean he can't complain about something else, especially when it's legitimate. Now, I have no idea how the balls in China play and I've barely been paying attention to the tournament. But since he's not the only one bringing this up, then maybe, just MAYBE, he has a point? Shouldn't that be a bigger concern (since it's seemingly affecting players) than "oh, here goes Rafa complaining again!"

Like seriously, what problem do you have about him complaining about the balls? It's not like he's been struggling so far. I bet most didn't even bother clicking the link provided by Federberg. If you did, you'd notice that Murray echoed his sentiments. So what's the big deal?

What does that have to do with the fact that he complains about hard courts a lot? These are unrelated.

Did this really warrant its own thread? Couldn't it have been mentioned in the Beijing thread? On the flip-side, Rafa fans need to be chill. Lacatch is not trolling. I mean, you could have at least Googled before calling him a troll. Also, reacting with "yeah but Federer has complained here and there" is irrelevant.

BUT, equally, saying "oh well, Federer has a point in his complaints" is only fine if you apply it both ways. Doesn't Nadal have a point here as well? So why criticize him?

This long-winded post is simply a way to state that this is really overblown and these forums are getting silly in that regard.

Uhm, I don't get why Nadal is complaining about the 'changing' of the balls on tour. He hasn't been on it for months. How can he know?

Anyways, now that he is eliminated he has some more time to adjust to the balls in Shanghai. So he can't complain there .

You would be surprised :idea:

 

[Kieran]

Maybe he's learnt how to express himself better in English!

I just don't see how someone can read a comment which state (and I'm paraphrasing here), "I would like to seem ore drug testing. it's important for the image of tennis. But at the same time, the privacy of athlete should be respected" and take issue with it.

There's nothing hypocritical about this comment. It's actually consistent with what Nadal said when he criticized drug testing before, when he strictly mentioned privacy, respect, etc...

Exactly.

If they complained about actually being tested - as in, they came out and said something like, "testing is stupid, I hate being tested, it's so time wasting and beneath me" - then we'd have grounds to think they're trying to avoid being tested.

But nothing they said sounds like they want to avoid being tested. In fact, they agree about being tested, but want the system to be run better. You'd only have issue with this if you didn't like the guys in question, actually...

 

[nehmeth]

Uhm, I don't get why Nadal is complaining about the 'changing' of the balls on tour. He hasn't been on it for months. How can he know?

Anyways, now that he is eliminated he has some more time to adjust to the balls in Shanghai. So he can't complain there .

That was too good. Thank you for that Denis.

 

[Riotbeard]

Uhm, I don't get why Nadal is complaining about the 'changing' of the balls on tour. He hasn't been on it for months. How can he know?

Anyways, now that he is eliminated he has some more time to adjust to the balls in Shanghai. So he can't complain there .

That was too good. Thank you for that Denis.

:clap

 

[brokenshoelace]

Uhm, I don't get why Nadal is complaining about the 'changing' of the balls on tour. He hasn't been on it for months. How can he know?

Uhm, probably because he's been on tour for over a decade and this isn't a new practice and it's probably been happening for a while now? I mean, I know I'm reaaaaaally reaching with this outrageous piece of analysis but there's a tiny possibility that's the case.

PS: Read Nadal's quotes. His main issue was that the balls were bad and produce unpredictable bounces. He doesn't have to have played at the last tournament to be able to determine that since he's a decent professional tennis player.

 

[brokenshoelace]

So to sum up what we've learned from this thread:

-Drug testing is very important and should be intensified...but clean drug tests don't mean anything, somehow (I personally think the latter contradicts the former but what do I know?)

-Pissing clean does not clean your image even if you've never failed a drug test in your life. Words are more important than actual results. You have to speak in favor of drug testing.

-You're not allowed to complain about drug testing procedures even if you piss clean, but it is TOTALLY OK to defend your cheating friends who have either failed and/or avoided a drug test (cough*Djokovic and Federer*cough).

-Murray and Nadal fans will like anything I post.

-Maybe it's better to let this thread die before it gives me Ebola.

 

[Kieran]

^^ I liked that post! :snigger

 

[Fiero425]

Uhm, I don't get why Nadal is complaining about the 'changing' of the balls on tour. He hasn't been on it for months. How can he know?

Anyways, now that he is eliminated he has some more time to adjust to the balls in Shanghai. So he can't complain there .

That was too good. Thank you for that Denis.

That is ironic; him taking off months at a time, but still kvetchin'! He resigned from player's council when he didn't get his way concerning a 2 year ranking system! It was only 'sour grapes' on his part when Nole overtook him for #1 in 2011! He's a real piece of work! :nono uzzled :angel: I suppose he needs an excuse going down to another qualifier; what a loser! :clap :snigger :laydownlaughing

 

[DarthFed]

^^ I liked that post! :snigger

We can't take that serious since you are a serial liker of posts

 

[brokenshoelace]

He's a real piece of work!

He really is. 14 slams, 9 French Opens, a million Masters 1000 events. What a man!

 

[brokenshoelace]

^^ I liked that post! :snigger

We can't take that serious since you are a serial liker of posts

This is actually true. Kieran does not discriminate. He'll like posts he agrees and disagrees with. He's got that Irish loving nature going.

 

[Front242]

So to sum up what we've learned from this thread:

-Drug testing is very important and should be intensified...but clean drug tests don't mean anything, somehow (I personally think the latter contradicts the former but what do I know?)

The crux of the discussion was actually don't tell the media you're unhappy with doping controls and moan like a little girl who lost her Barbie doll only to look all grown up a few years later when a major athlete is busted and be suddenly all for more testing. But yes, clean tests do in fact prove nothing since you may be clean when tested but dirty as pig muck the rest of the time. And that includes all players, I'm not singling out any in particular. You seriously think UFC fighters who put on huge size and test clean are in fact clean? Or maybe the men's fitness models (not talking bodybuilders 'cos that's obvious) who all claim to be natural (laughable) but everyone and their wife knows they're on Tren (Trenbolone) almost year round and are always one step ahead of the testers and therefore test clean or simply cycle off briefly and get tested when clean. So then they can say they didn't fail a test but still look amazing. Total farce.

-Pissing clean does not clean your image even if you've never failed a drug test in your life. Words are more important than actual results. You have to speak in favor of drug testing.

You surely know urine tests are easier to manipulate than the others. Just take diuretics to flush out your PEDs and hence imo why we're seeing a lot more cramping in tennis 'cos the players are using diuretics to mask PED usage by making the body urinate more frequently. You can flush out up to 6 litres of water per day with diuretics and there goes your trace of PEDs before the test.

-You're not allowed to complain about drug testing procedures even if you piss clean, but it is TOTALLY OK to defend your cheating friends who have either failed and/or avoided a drug test (cough*Djokovic and Federer*cough).

No one said this. If you're referring to me I said I didn't approve and I don't think for one second that the Cilic case was handled well and he should also still be banned right now.

-Murray and Nadal fans will like anything I post.

That's quite possible but I've no problem with people liking posts, merely those who can't take a single bit of negativity towards their player p1$$ me off. Federer has said plenty of things I don't agree with so therefore I can easily agree if someone says he said something dumb.

-This thread was amazingly, supposed to be about Rafa's return.

Wrong that was this thread http://www.tennisfrontier.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=2975
This one is about him complaining.

-Maybe it's better to let it die before it gives me Ebola.

 

[Fiero425]

He's a real piece of work!

He really is. 14 slams, 9 French Opens, a million Masters 1000 events. What a man!

But no one complains as much with so much history; even McEnroe wasn't as bad! lol! :snigger :lolz: :laydownlaughing

 

[Riotbeard]

Glad to see Rafa fans have retained their thick skins

 

[Kieran]

Well, we bounce back when we see silly attacks like this thread. Grist to the mill for a forum, buddy. Don't forget to like this post - I liked yours!

 

[DarthFed]

^ 6,000 + likes between you and Riot. Too much love on this board we need to start another nasty thread about Rafa!

 

[Riotbeard]

Well, we bounce back when we see silly attacks like this thread. Grist to the mill for a forum, buddy. Don't forget to like this post - I liked yours!

You guys bounce about as well as those Head balls.

 

[Kieran]

Well, we bounce back when we see silly attacks like this thread. Grist to the mill for a forum, buddy. Don't forget to like this post - I liked yours!

You guys bounce about as well as those Head balls.

They're lousy tennis balls - or so I heard.

 

[Riotbeard]

Well, we bounce back when we see silly attacks like this thread. Grist to the mill for a forum, buddy. Don't forget to like this post - I liked yours!

You guys bounce about as well as those Head balls.

They're lousy tennis balls - or so I heard.

Real like fest here.