Rafa Complaining

[DarthFed]

Come on Darth, that's just Rashomen-squared. If you give a dog a bad name, etc. Remember we had all this BS about how Rafa fans were always making excuses, and Riotbeard did the research and found it to be more or less bogus a claim.

Or the claim that Rafa fans insist that if he hadn't hurt his back in Oz he'd definitely have won - except such claims don't exist.

Or the claim that Rafa makes more excuses than anyone else, and then we began to look at Federer.

These men are all cut from the same cloth, but the media get to spin it...

We've seen Rafa complain countless times about the schedule, and other times about the type of balls being used, court speed, etc. The media is reporting it without necessarily emphasizing that he is complaining. It's not like the headlines of these articles are "Rafa complaining yet again about something".

 

[Kieran]

They all have a whinge, and they all have a sigh. Rafa is just Big News, that's all...

 

[the AntiPusher]

The media can only relay back what he says and what they ask him about and if the others complained often we'd see that too.

I don't believe that for a second. If, for example, Berdych, Gasquet, Tsonga, Ferrer, etc. had complained about the balls, no one would know about it. The media don't care about them. They aren't newsworthy. Rafa, Federer, Novak, and Murray are.

That's mainly who I meant, the others from that group. We don't hear from them as much as they don't complain as much. Besides Murray.

And how do you know Berdych, Gasquet, Tsonga, Ferrer, etc. don't complain as much? Are you around them? Do you spend time with them? Or are you relying on the media to provide you with this information? If it's the latter, when's the last time they reported on non-complaints, then? Because if you're using the media as your judge of the tenor and nature of their communication, well ... there it is.

Precisely... Front doesnt know.. that's why he lives for this crap.. just being honest..

 

[Front242]

The media can only relay back what he says and what they ask him about and if the others complained often we'd see that too.

I don't believe that for a second. If, for example, Berdych, Gasquet, Tsonga, Ferrer, etc. had complained about the balls, no one would know about it. The media don't care about them. They aren't newsworthy. Rafa, Federer, Novak, and Murray are.

That's mainly who I meant, the others from that group. We don't hear from them as much as they don't complain as much. Besides Murray.

And how do you know Berdych, Gasquet, Tsonga, Ferrer, etc. don't complain as much? Are you around them? Do you spend time with them? Or are you relying on the media to provide you with this information? If it's the latter, when's the last time they reported on non-complaints, then? Because if you're using the media as your judge of the tenor and nature of their communication, well ... there it is.

Because no one cares about them frankly. It's the same in any sport. The top tier guys get interviewed and quizzed way more than the others. Also bear in mind Nadal hasn't played in quite some time unlike the others so clearly this is why he's been interviewed and not them. They asked him already about his past experiences in Beijing so naturally someone asked how his play is going this week and he said fine but mentioned the balls.

So as I said, they can only relay back what was asked and if no one talked to Berdych, Gasquet, Tsonga, Ferrer, etc then they obviously have nothing to write about.

 

[kskate2]

^ Not trying to be mean, but if you were a reporter and could step into the pressers and ask questions, would you interview Berd, RG, JWT or David? Wouldn't you want to interview the uppermost top players given the chance?

 

[the AntiPusher]

^ Not trying to be mean, but if you were a reporter and could step into the pressers and ask questions, would you interview Berd, RG, JWT or David? Wouldn't you want to interview the uppermost top players given the chance?

KS.. thats not the point.. point is .. this thread isnt called "the top players are complaining" but "Rafa complaining.. Feel me

 

[Front242]

The media can only relay back what he says and what they ask him about and if the others complained often we'd see that too.

I don't believe that for a second. If, for example, Berdych, Gasquet, Tsonga, Ferrer, etc. had complained about the balls, no one would know about it. The media don't care about them. They aren't newsworthy. Rafa, Federer, Novak, and Murray are.

That's mainly who I meant, the others from that group. We don't hear from them as much as they don't complain as much. Besides Murray.

And how do you know Berdych, Gasquet, Tsonga, Ferrer, etc. don't complain as much? Are you around them? Do you spend time with them? Or are you relying on the media to provide you with this information? If it's the latter, when's the last time they reported on non-complaints, then? Because if you're using the media as your judge of the tenor and nature of their communication, well ... there it is.

Precisely... Front doesnt know.. that's why he lives for this crap.. just being honest..

I do know and have already posted that the media don't care about Berdych, Gasquet, Tsonga, Ferrer, etc and therefore don't interview them as much as Nadal, Federer, Djokovic and Murray and that's a fact unless it's a fan blog where they get special interviews. The main news sites only cover the top players in any sport. That's just how it goes.

lacatch posted about Rafa complaining, and fair enough there was no link, but how hard is it for the Nadal fans to (a) check tennis.com first and (b) check google before calling this a "troll latented post" and ask for it to be deleted for no reason and accused of gossip?!

I read that article hours ago and didn't start any thread on it which leads to you telling me I live for this crap. Live for what exactly? It's not my fault you follow a guy who complains more than a teenage girl with bad acne. Follow a player who doesn't moan so often and maybe you wouldn't get so butt hurt and feel the need to call posts "troll latented" and ask for them to be deleted without even researching whether or not your favourite player said what was written when he in fact did. In fact it's a wonder you don't like a more aggressive player given how aggressive you get for nothing. There are many to choose from. Join the dark side.

 

[tented]

^ Not trying to be mean, but if you were a reporter and could step into the pressers and ask questions, would you interview Berd, RG, JWT or David? Wouldn't you want to interview the uppermost top players given the chance?

KS.. thats not the point.. point is .. this thread isnt called "the top players are complaining" but "Rafa complaining.. Feel me

She does have a point, though, AP. We do hear about Rafa, Roger, Novak, and Andy more than the others because the reporters care about them more. They're not going to waste their time asking a bunch of questions of Berdych, because ... well, beyond his friends and family, not too many people care.

Lots of people care about the Big 4, so everything they say and do is magnified, reported, questioned, and (most importantly) debated in a discussion forum.

 

[the AntiPusher]

^ Not trying to be mean, but if you were a reporter and could step into the pressers and ask questions, would you interview Berd, RG, JWT or David? Wouldn't you want to interview the uppermost top players given the chance?

KS.. thats not the point.. point is .. this thread isnt called "the top players are complaining" but "Rafa complaining.. Feel me

She does have a point, though, AP. We do hear about Rafa, Roger, Novak, and Andy more than the others because the reporters care about them more. They're not going to waste their time asking a bunch of questions of Berdych, because ... well, beyond his friends and family, not too many people care.

Lots of people care about the Big 4, so everything they say and do is magnified, reported, questioned, and (most importantly) debated in a discussion forum.

tented. I get that but this poster started this thread about Rafa complaining.. Just as you and tothers have stated, all the players complain or have a beef about something and it does gets mentioed.. but this thread has only one name in the title which is not fiar to him as tennis player because he just spoke about something that does affect the game of tennis .. the Balls

 

[Front242]

Well if we're not focused on tennis balls it's his own balls which he plays with on every return point if you'd prefer a thread on that.

 

[Front242]

^ Not trying to be mean, but if you were a reporter and could step into the pressers and ask questions, would you interview Berd, RG, JWT or David? Wouldn't you want to interview the uppermost top players given the chance?

KS.. thats not the point.. point is .. this thread isnt called "the top players are complaining" but "Rafa complaining.. Feel me

She does have a point, though, AP. We do hear about Rafa, Roger, Novak, and Andy more than the others because the reporters care about them more. They're not going to waste their time asking a bunch of questions of Berdych, because ... well, beyond his friends and family, not too many people care.

Lots of people care about the Big 4, so everything they say and do is magnified, reported, questioned, and (most importantly) debated in a discussion forum.

tented. I get that but this poster started this thread about Rafa complaining.. Just as you and tothers have stated, all the players complain or have a beef about something and it does gets mentioed.. but this thread has only one name in the title which is not fiar to him as tennis player because he just spoke about something that does affect the game of tennis .. the Balls

I pointed the reason for this out earlier. You didn't check tennis.com or google to see where this article came from and when they first posted it the article was about 2 paragraphs long and mentioned only Nadal. Tennis.com have for years used this annoying method of writing a small article and gradually adding to it hour by hour and later in the day they mentioned Murray echoed his sentiments if that makes you feel any better. But check tennis.com and you'll see no other news related to any player complaining except for this one below and frankly no one gives a damn about this. There are zero other news items from the last few days about anyone complaining besides Nadal and Murray. Federer and Djokovic have nothing to moan about this week clearly, or last week.

http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2014/10/stakhovsky-withdraws-dangerous-mons-object-davis-cup-decision/52912/

 

[brokenshoelace]

Jesus, can we please for ONCE have the ability and mental resolve to isolate incidents and separate them from unrelated ones?

Yes, Nadal complains a lot. Some of it gets redundant. If this were another complaint about hard courts or the length of the season, then by all means create a thread like this, because he sounds like a broken record on those issues.

However, just because he complains too much about something, doesn't mean he can't complain about something else, especially when it's legitimate. Now, I have no idea how the balls in China play and I've barely been paying attention to the tournament. But since he's not the only one bringing this up, then maybe, just MAYBE, he has a point? Shouldn't that be a bigger concern (since it's seemingly affecting players) than "oh, here goes Rafa complaining again!"

Like seriously, what problem do you have about him complaining about the balls? It's not like he's been struggling so far. I bet most didn't even bother clicking the link provided by Federberg. If you did, you'd notice that Murray echoed his sentiments. So what's the big deal?

What does that have to do with the fact that he complains about hard courts a lot? These are unrelated.

Did this really warrant its own thread? Couldn't it have been mentioned in the Beijing thread? On the flip-side, Rafa fans need to be chill. Lacatch is not trolling. I mean, you could have at least Googled before calling him a troll. Also, reacting with "yeah but Federer has complained here and there" is irrelevant.

BUT, equally, saying "oh well, Federer has a point in his complaints" is only fine if you apply it both ways. Doesn't Nadal have a point here as well? So why criticize him?

This long-winded post is simply a way to state that this is really overblown and these forums are getting silly in that regard.

 

[brokenshoelace]

The media can only relay back what he says and what they ask him about and if the others complained often we'd see that too.

Yeah, no. Not everyone is created with an equal voice. Rafa's complaints bring more attention because his opinion holds more weight and people care about it more, therefore, the media will report it more. Hell, Andy Murray (who's hardly a nobody) brought up the same complaint yet the headline only mentioned Nadal (despite the article quoting Murray). The headline could have easily read "Nadal, Murray Complain About Chinese Balls."

On second though, the headline should probably be worded differently :laydownlaughing

The one thing Nadal definitely complains about too much is the length of the season and too much hard courts (though it's kinda ironic in the case of the latter, since everyone would like to see more diversity across the surfaces yet malign Nadal for bringing it up). Every other thing he talks about seems quite mild and in line with what a lot of other players say.

 

[Federberg]

^For me more diversity would mean bringing back carpet and grass. Can't understand how a surface can just be completely eliminated. We have enough clay and hard courts

 

[Front242]

The media can only relay back what he says and what they ask him about and if the others complained often we'd see that too.

Yeah, no. Not everyone is created with an equal voice. Rafa's complaints bring more attention because his opinion holds more weight and people care about it more, therefore, the media will report it more. Hell, Andy Murray (who's hardly a nobody) brought up the same complaint yet the headline only mentioned Nadal (despite the article quoting Murray). The headline could have easily read "Nadal, Murray Complain About Chinese Balls."

On second though, the headline should probably be worded differently :laydownlaughing

The one thing Nadal definitely complains about too much is the length of the season and too much hard courts (though it's kinda ironic in the case of the latter, since everyone would like to see more diversity across the surfaces yet malign Nadal for bringing it up). Every other thing he talks about seems quite mild and in line with what a lot of other players say.

No offense but again you're behind on my posts as I've already said the media only really care about Nadal, Federer, Djokovic and Murray so the others don't get anywhere near the media coverage these guys get. The headline mentioned only Nadal because tennis.com's news is crap. The original article mentioned only Nadal, then hours later they added way more to the article adding that Murray echoed Nadal's sentiments and then all the other stuff about Halep and Kvitova was also added later because when I first read that link on their page it was only 2 small paragraphs about Nadal commenting on the balls in Beijing.

Basically tennis.com suck but they're still the site many look to first for news besides those who asked for it to be deleted due to trolling and gossip before even checking up on it that is. They should've added Murray in the headline later though and edited it. Toni Nadal makes Rafa look bad the way he goes on about things like it's the ITF's fault Rafa will never win the WTF so maybe he should muzzle him. That's not in any way related to this but merely a follow on from you mentioning what Nadal complains most about, schedule and hard courts and just pointing out he often gets flak for stupid things his uncle says though this time it was a comment he made himself.

Also, and not that you said I did but just saying, I never said he wasn't justified in complaining about the balls in Beijing, maybe they are indeed poor. Could well be the surface too as watching Cilic who hits pretty hard the balls weren't traveling fast at all but who knows, maybe it's the balls and not the bounce/speed of the court.

 

[Iona16]

The media can only relay back what he says and what they ask him about and if the others complained often we'd see that too.

I don't believe that for a second. If, for example, Berdych, Gasquet, Tsonga, Ferrer, etc. had complained about the balls, no one would know about it. The media don't care about them. They aren't newsworthy. Rafa, Federer, Novak, and Murray are.

That's mainly who I meant, the others from that group. We don't hear from them as much as they don't complain as much. Besides Murray.

What does Andy complain about? You can moan about him whinging (at himself) when he's playing but he very rarely complains about anything off-court.

To be honest I don't see what was wrong in what Rafa said about the balls. There are enough surface changes throughout the year. Is it really necessary to constantly mess around with the tennis balls? Is it not possible to have some consistency at set times of the year?

 

[Front242]

The media can only relay back what he says and what they ask him about and if the others complained often we'd see that too.

I don't believe that for a second. If, for example, Berdych, Gasquet, Tsonga, Ferrer, etc. had complained about the balls, no one would know about it. The media don't care about them. They aren't newsworthy. Rafa, Federer, Novak, and Murray are.

That's mainly who I meant, the others from that group. We don't hear from them as much as they don't complain as much. Besides Murray.

What does Andy complain about? You can moan about him whinging (at himself) when he playing but he very rarely complains about anything off-court.

To be honest I don't see what was wrong in what Rafa said about the balls. There are enough surface changes throughout the year. Is it really necessary to constantly mess around with the tennis balls? Is it not possible to have some consistency at set times of the year?

Andy has moaned like Nadal a lot about drug testing in tennis only to change his tune 100% just like Nadal after the Armstrong debacle. They both kicked up a load of fuss complaining about the whereabouts rule and testing and suddenly acted like saints and wanted way more testing once Armstrong was disgraced. I also said I didn't see what was wrong with what Nadal and Murray said about the balls. Maybe they're right, but equally so maybe it's mostly surface related 'cos those Beijing courts look slow to me.

Anyway here's proof of what I said about Andy moaning about drug testing and making himself look rather childish and silly in doing so for such a serious issue.

https://twitter.com/andy_murray/status/15793981339

‏@andy_murray

"Drug testing regulations r beyond a joke haha amazing stuff"

http://www.tennistalk.com/en/news/20110621/Murray_finding_drug_tests_come_all_too_often

Then suddenly they disgrace Armstrong publicly and he wants more testing and Nadal was the same. There are tons more links out there to back up what I've said there. Presumably both their camps told them to grow up and change their tune regarding complaining about drug testing for obvious reasons as it doesn't make them look good.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/tennis/testing-times-andy-murray-calls-1407976

 

[Murat Baslamisli]

I don't care about who complains on this issue, but they are all right. Every tournament that is leading up to a slam or the WTF that will be played on a similar surface should be played with the same ball. Like, Toronto and Cincy should be played with the same ball that is used at the Open (they are not), Madrid, Barcelona etc should be played with the same ball as RG.

 

[Iona16]

The media can only relay back what he says and what they ask him about and if the others complained often we'd see that too.

I don't believe that for a second. If, for example, Berdych, Gasquet, Tsonga, Ferrer, etc. had complained about the balls, no one would know about it. The media don't care about them. They aren't newsworthy. Rafa, Federer, Novak, and Murray are.

That's mainly who I meant, the others from that group. We don't hear from them as much as they don't complain as much. Besides Murray.

What does Andy complain about? You can moan about him whinging (at himself) when he playing but he very rarely complains about anything off-court.

To be honest I don't see what was wrong in what Rafa said about the balls. There are enough surface changes throughout the year. Is it really necessary to constantly mess around with the tennis balls? Is it not possible to have some consistency at set times of the year?

Andy has moaned like Nadal a lot about drug testing in tennis only to change his tune 100% just like Nadal after the Armstrong debacle. They both kicked up a load of fuss complaining about the whereabouts rule and testing and suddenly acted like saints and wanted way more testing once Armstrong was disgraced. I also said I didn't see what was wrong with what Nadal and Murray said about the balls. Maybe they're right, but equally so maybe it's mostly surface related 'cos those Beijing courts look slow to me.

Anyway here's proof of what I said about Andy moaning about drug testing and making himself look rather childish and silly in doing so for such a serious issue.

https://twitter.com/andy_murray/status/15793981339

‏@andy_murray

"Drug testing regulations r beyond a joke haha amazing stuff"

http://www.tennistalk.com/en/news/20110621/Murray_finding_drug_tests_come_all_too_often

Then suddenly they disgrace Armstrong publicly and he wants more testing and Nadal was the same. There are tons more links out there to back up what I've said there. Presumably both their camps told them to grow up and change their tune regarding complaining about drug testing for obvious reasons as it doesn't make them look good.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/tennis/testing-times-andy-murray-calls-1407976

To be fair you're posting a tweet from 4 years ago and an article from 3 years ago. Besides you can find drug testing regulations rather draconian BUT still understand that they're a necessary part of the sport.

I'm pretty sure the Armstrong scandal made most athletes question what goes on in their chosen sport. That's no bad thing.

 

[brokenshoelace]

^For me more diversity would mean bringing back carpet and grass. Can't understand how a surface can just be completely eliminated. We have enough clay and hard courts

Well yeah. That's pretty much what everybody wants when it comes to diversity (not sure Rafa would be thrilled with carpet though, lol).