Nadal: 2010 vs. 2013

[Kieran]

Hey Front!

What about the four MTO's Rafa took against Petschner?

You willing to revise that one and admit you were wrong?

Fair enough. It was probably multiple calls of the trainer not MTOs but it was still a complete and utter joke.

A bit of partisan exuberance, eh?

 

[Front242]

Willing to admit it's completely unsportsmanlike to go for a toilet break before your opponent serves for a match?

 

[Kieran]

Willing to admit it's completely unsportsmanlike to go for a toilet break before your opponent serves for a match?

It's better than soiling the floor.

Willing to admit it was unsporting of Federer to brag about a toilet break he took against Davydenko until the sun went down?

Fact is, none of this has anything to do with sportsmanship, it's to do with Fedal, as most things do...

 

[Front242]

Willing to admit it's completely unsportsmanlike to go for a toilet break before your opponent serves for a match?

It's better than soiling the floor.

Willing to admit it was unsporting of Federer to brag about a toilet break he took against Davydenko until the sun went down?

Fact is, none of this has anything to do with sportsmanship, it's to do with Fedal, as most things do...

Sure I can admit that about the Davydenko match but yourself and Moxie and other Nadal fans are fighting a losing battle if you want to go down the route of comparing acts of sportmanship between Nadal and Federer. Remember, the players vote for the most sporting player and there's a reason Nadal got voted only once. Note how many players he p1$$e$ off by taking too long between points, picking his ass, etc, towelling off, making them wait before the match starts, even before the coin toss. He hasn't even the decency the do oncourt interviews in a timely fashion either making everyone wait. The list is endless.

 

[Front242]

Willing to admit it's completely unsportsmanlike to go for a toilet break before your opponent serves for a match?

It's better than soiling the floor.

Willing to admit it was unsporting of Federer to brag about a toilet break he took against Davydenko until the sun went down?

Fact is, none of this has anything to do with sportsmanship, it's to do with Fedal, as most things do...

Seriously have no idea what that's supposed to mean. No matter who he was playing that day it's a totally uncool thing to do.

 

[Kieran]

It means, it's not the first time you've made stuff up to attack Nadal.

But I'm glad you're acknowledging Roger's sins in this regard too...

 

[Front242]

It means, it's not the first time you've made stuff up to attack Nadal.

But I'm glad you're acknowledging Roger's sins in this regard too...

I made up nothing here unless you want to change the MTOs to calling the trainer but there's really nothing else that was anything but the truth and you apparently still see no problem leaving the court to go to the toilet before your opponent serves for the match, instead just going on about it being based on Federer when clearly that's not the issue as I said. It could be against anyone and it's in equally poor taste and utterly unsporting. If the players thought the guy was so sporting he'd be voted the most sporting player every year but that couldn't be further from the truth.

 

[Front242]

Nadal had a better overall season in 2013 than 2010, and he pulled off an incredible feat on the North American hard court swing that not even Federer or Djokovic have. His overall level was consistently far more dominant than in 2010.

Old players need more recovery time, right? Then how did Nadal win 2 MS titles in 2 weeks? Was he taking something, or perhaps do you set the age limit for tennis peaking way too low?

What about Ferrer? Did he move better at 25 than 31? You'd have to be smoking something to say that he did.

One has been using PRP treatments since 2009 and the other has worked with the infamous Luis Garcia Del Moral. Draw your own conclusions from that. Of course Ferrer is fitter since working with him. Sara Errani has worked with him too and here's a photo of her neck. It's the size of a linebacker's neck and bigger than most of the mens'. Much bigger. And it wasn't like that 2 years before she started working with Del Moral, nor did she have the same results.

Here's another. And these are not Photoshopped.

http://www.superdeporte.es/tenis/2012/06/14/final-paris-celebra-tierras-valencianas/164486.html?utm_source=rss

 

[Kieran]

Just to be clear, Front, you're not suggesting Rafa has done anything illicit, I'm sure, because he only used prp when it was legal. Just so that nobody misinterprets you and thinks bad of him...

 

[Front242]

Just to be clear, Front, you're not suggesting Rafa has done anything illicit, I'm sure, because he only used prp when it was legal. Just so that nobody misinterprets you and thinks bad of him...

I'm saying it's why he recovers so quickly all the time but also no, it was banned when he first used it in 2009 and was only legalized in 2011 two years later. Also funny that he was bashing his knee in Miami 2010 against Roddick making it clear to everyone that the next treatment was on the way and then a few moments later wins a point and does his trademark left knee in the air vamos celebration, forgetting there was actually meant to be something wrong with said left knee that he hit earlier in the match while sitting down lol. Then with said bad knee he proceeds to destroy Verdasco in the best clay court display I've seen him play in Monte Carlo 2010 a few weeks later and then has the cheek to cite knee problems against Roddick to discredit that win. Clearly it got so much better he was able to beat Verdasco 6-0 6-1 in the final, win Wimbledon and the US Open. Also worth noting that surely you should rest your knee after such a treatment but here he is jumping up and down celebrating Spain's victory at the 2010 World Cup Final in South Africa shortly after his PRP treatment in 2010. The guy's a total farce.

http://tennis.si.com/2013/10/08/rafael-nadal-knee-injury-recovery/

[video=youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kiyq3MOWDhc&feature=related[/video]

[video=youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enVxUBXRDI4&feature=related[/video]

 

[Kieran]

Well, to be more accurate, the article you cited says it was banned in 2010 and made legal again in 2011, so that's okay, right?

I mean, why don't you just report the facts and leave your bias and fabrications at the the door? :laydownlaughing

 

[brokenshoelace]

LMAO Front, I don't know how else to put it, but claiming the celebration is evidence of anything has got to be one of the silliest things I've heard here for a while. Word of advice, take a break from all things Nadal. You spammed this thread (sorry to put it that way) with post after post, most of which are either filled with false information or bias.

 

[brokenshoelace]

One final word about the movement: Nadal himself acknowledged he doesn't move as well as he used to. Oh wait, I mentioned that before... Never mind. So there isn't much of an argument. Good.

 

[Kieran]

One final word about the movement: Nadal himself acknowledged he doesn't move as well as he used to. Oh wait, I mentioned that before... Never mind. So there isn't much of an argument. Good.

Well, you see him celebrating in the video above? He definitely won't be moving like that this summer... :nono

 

[Front242]

Well, to be more accurate, the article you cited says it was banned in 2010 and made legal again in 2011, so that's okay, right?

I mean, why don't you just report the facts and leave your bias and fabrications at the the door? :laydownlaughing

Well actually to be more accurate you asked this..

"Just to be clear, Front, you're not suggesting Rafa has done anything illicit, I'm sure, because he only used prp when it was legal. Just so that nobody misinterprets you and thinks bad of him..."

And I replied that he used it while it was banned so, yes, feel free to think badly of him.

 

[Kieran]

If he used it when it was banned, then he'd be banned.

He used it when it was legal, and the article you cited gives the dates: it was legal in 2009, banned some time in 2010, and made legal again in 2011.

There's no suggestion from anyone but you that he used this or anything else illegally, and once again, you're making stuff up... :nono

 

[Front242]

If he used it when it was banned, then he'd be banned.

He used it when it was legal, and the article you cited gives the dates: it was legal in 2009, banned some time in 2010, and made legal again in 2011.

There's no suggestion from anyone but you that he used this or anything else illegally, and once again, you're making stuff up... :nono

He wouldn't because of who he is and how gutless the officials are. Banned Jan 1st, 2010 actually and he used it after Wimbledon 2010 so wrong again and I'm not making stuff up, you're just plain wrong.

http://www.wada-ama.org/Documents/World_Anti-Doping_Program/WADP-Prohibited-list/WADA_Prohibited_List_2010_EN.pdf

 

[Front242]

LMAO Front, I don't know how else to put it, but claiming the celebration is evidence of anything has got to be one of the silliest things I've heard here for a while. Word of advice, take a break from all things Nadal. You spammed this thread (sorry to put it that way) with post after post, most of which are either filled with false information or bias.

If your knee was supposedly sore and you thumped it while sitting down earlier to "prove" it was sore would you then surely not consider it laughable to win a point and raise said "sore" knee up in the air as he does in that first clip? It has me and probably millions on the planet p1$$1ng themselves anyway. There's no bias there, it's a video for all to see! He blamed his sore knee on that loss to Roddick months later and yet he managed to destroy Verdasco 6-0 6-1 with his best ever clay performance imo weeks later lol.

 

[Kieran]

No, the article doesn't say he used it after Wimbledon in 2010.

It's funny how your language in a post above regarding the Roddick match is similar to a hatchet job article I found, which shows I didn't get the joke earlier about The Curious Case of Rafa Nadal. I don't frequent these places, you see. That article could almost have been written by yourself, it has so much anti-Rafa bile spilling out of it. I think it's from this article you got your post-Wimbledon PRP stuff from.

The Petzschner match even gets milked dry, kinda like you on this thread. :laydownlaughing

But anyway, it's typical that you go from making up stuff about the Petzschner match (again) to drugs, and most likely next you'll be saying he served a silent ban, and then you'll misquote his autobiography (again). You're obsessed with the chap, but not in a good way...

 

[Front242]

No, the article doesn't say he used it after Wimbledon in 2010.

It's funny how your language in a post above regarding the Roddick match is similar to a hatchet job article I found, which shows I didn't get the joke earlier about The Curious Case of Rafa Nadal. I don't frequent these places, you see. That article could almost have been written by yourself, it has so much anti-Rafa bile spilling out of it. I think it's from this article you got your post-Wimbledon PRP stuff from.

The Petzschner match even gets milked dry, kinda like you on this thread. :laydownlaughing

But anyway, it's typical that you go from making up stuff about the Petzschner match (again) to drugs, and most likely next you'll be saying he served a silent ban, and then you'll misquote his autobiography (again). You're obsessed with the chap, but not in a good way...

I didn't make up anything about the Petzschner match. He called the trainer 4 times, I said 4 MTOs whoa, sue me! Same bloody thing. One MTO then and 3 more calls of the trainer, big deal. It was still laughable when you watch how he moved perfectly before and after all match long. And again, you accuse me wrongly of making stuff up when again, it's YOU who are wrong! He himself is quoted as saying “PRP worked unbelievable on my knee before, in 2010, 2009". Read the article below! Now seeing as it was banned on Jan 1st 2010, when do you think he used it? After that date maybe? Give me a break.

http://tennis.si.com/2013/10/08/rafael-nadal-knee-injury-recovery/