Nadal: 2010 vs. 2013

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

pages of rancour and aggro about rafa sneaking off for a big poo ?..

1) how does anyone know what he did during the toilet break ?

2) what else was he supposed to do ?..flop out a huge soft turd on the baseline ?..or maybe near the net ?, seeing as no-one did many drop shots back then it might have remained a undisturbed oval of horror.

(umpire might have issued a small warning tho..and further deposits of huge smelly faeces oncourt will result in a point penalty).

 

[Front242]

^ You can't make conclusions based on specific angles of a photograph and a moment when an athlete is in full blood-flow. You should know better. Here is a photo of Errani from 2008:

http://www.zimbio.com/photos/Sara+Errani/Pilot+Pen+Tennis+Day+2/96fni92iNn0

She doesn't have the neck of a swan, and she does have defined muscles. How long are you claiming that she was working with a dirty doctor? Because she really didn't break through until 2012.

Clearly, no she she didn't have a huge neck back in 2008 that's my point and my intention was indeed for you to search for older photos to go some way to proving what a very noticeable transformation has occurred. Her neck is now like Ronnie Coleman's! I've no idea how long she was reportedly working with Del Moral but she's been linked to him along with Ferrer and others on that Spanish link and many others. Again, harking back to people being unable to prove what's true or false online, when confronted about whether he worked with Del Moral Ferrer said no, and he'd never heard of him. Yeah right. Famous doctor in his home town of Valencia and he's never heard of him. You may choose to believe him but I sure as hell don't Seems to me he doesn't know him on PC Moral grounds (ahem) but what's he supposed to say if he wants to remain supposedly innocent in the public eye? When numerous links online say he's worked with him at his tennis academy it seems a bit far fetched to just believe him saying "I've never heard of him before" but again till proven true or false forum posts like this can't be proven to be right or wrong either.

 

[Front242]

pages of rancour and aggro about rafa sneaking off for a big poo ?..

1) how does anyone know what he did during the toilet break ?

2) what else was he supposed to do ?..flop out a huge soft turd on the baseline ?..or maybe near the net ?, seeing as no-one did many drop shots back then it might have remained a undisturbed oval of horror.

(umpire might have issued a small warning tho..and further deposits of huge smelly faeces oncourt will result in a point penalty).

Well said fecal matter is already on every tennis ball in every match he plays so that's a whole lotta warnings right there. Not to mention the other whiff on the ball resulting from his antics when receiving serve and the hapless loser or winner depending on the match outcome who has to then shake said soiled hand afterwards. Nice.

 

[Moxie]

You might like this too http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1977030

You do take what you want from it. It states that "over 10% of athletes indicated a frequent use of amphetamines or anabolic steroids at national or international level, fewer athletes mentioning blood doping (7%) and beta-blockers (2%) or other classes of drugs." Which means that nearly 90% use neither anabolic steroids nor amphetamines, in all of Italian sport. Therefore, the chances that Errani does becomes negligible. I see that you're all "glass half full" every time you read a statistic about doping, but you really need to read them better.

 

[Front242]

^ You can't make conclusions based on specific angles of a photograph and a moment when an athlete is in full blood-flow. You should know better. Here is a photo of Errani from 2008:

http://www.zimbio.com/photos/Sara+Errani/Pilot+Pen+Tennis+Day+2/96fni92iNn0

She doesn't have the neck of a swan, and she does have defined muscles. How long are you claiming that she was working with a dirty doctor? Because she really didn't break through until 2012.

http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2012/11/players-shun-disgraced-doctor-del-moral/40123/#.U6OjbrGPz_k

 

[Front242]

You might like this too http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1977030

You do take what you want from it. It states that "over 10% of athletes indicated a frequent use of amphetamines or anabolic steroids at national or international level, fewer athletes mentioning blood doping (7%) and beta-blockers (2%) or other classes of drugs." Which means that nearly 90% use neither anabolic steroids nor amphetamines, in all of Italian sport. Therefore, the chances that Errani does becomes negligible. I see that you're all "glass half full" every time you read a statistic about doping, but you really need to read them better.

I couldn't find a link I posted on tennis.com (may look harder later) and it showed a far higher amount of Italian athletes on PEDs. Regardless so 10% isn't a lot to you ?!

 

[Front242]

Don't forget the whole of Juvenus in the Champions League final years ago were on EPO! The WHOLE team!

 

[Front242]

Real Madrid and Barcelona are a disgrace as well.

 

[Front242]

Italian's eh? https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/world-of-sport/italian-athlete-accused-using-fake-penis-cheat-drug-083438235.html

:lolz:

 

[tented]

I take it “I’m done here” means: Stay tuned, folks, I’ll be writing 14+ posts over the next five hours.

 

[Front242]

I take it “I’m done here” means: Stay tuned, folks, I’ll be writing 14+ posts over the next five hours.

Well when people post a reply to me what can I do.

 

[Moxie]

^ You can't make conclusions based on specific angles of a photograph and a moment when an athlete is in full blood-flow. You should know better. Here is a photo of Errani from 2008:

http://www.zimbio.com/photos/Sara+Errani/Pilot+Pen+Tennis+Day+2/96fni92iNn0

She doesn't have the neck of a swan, and she does have defined muscles. How long are you claiming that she was working with a dirty doctor? Because she really didn't break through until 2012.

http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2012/11/players-shun-disgraced-doctor-del-moral/40123/#.U6OjbrGPz_k

Of course you sneer at the notion that players have distanced themselves from Del Moral, or why he might have seemed like a creditable sports doctor to some players, who could well be innocent. I will say again: you continually buy into insinuation, but you won't listen when others say there is another way of looking at things, or that your hair goes on fire about one player, but not others. How far back do we have to go with Errani to see her swan-like neck? You don't have proof of doping, but you love to insinuate, which is kind of a dirty gambit. If you made it the stuff of, "let's look into this," I'd be willing to discuss. But you insist you know, and sling mud over certain players, and I think that's cheap. Because you don't know.

 

[the AntiPusher]

I take it “I’m done here” means: Stay tuned, folks, I’ll be writing 14+ posts over the next five hours.

Well when people post a reply to me what can I do.

Your admiration for Rafa is paramount, the majority of your post are on Rafa centric threads, I guess that means u r Rafa's biggest "fan' on the boards. Welcome to the Party , Pal

 

[Front242]

^ You can't make conclusions based on specific angles of a photograph and a moment when an athlete is in full blood-flow. You should know better. Here is a photo of Errani from 2008:

http://www.zimbio.com/photos/Sara+Errani/Pilot+Pen+Tennis+Day+2/96fni92iNn0

She doesn't have the neck of a swan, and she does have defined muscles. How long are you claiming that she was working with a dirty doctor? Because she really didn't break through until 2012.

http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2012/11/players-shun-disgraced-doctor-del-moral/40123/#.U6OjbrGPz_k

Of course you sneer at the notion that players have distanced themselves from Del Moral, or why he might have seemed like a creditable sports doctor to some players, who could well be innocent. I will say again: you continually buy into insinuation, but you won't listen when others say there is another way of looking at things, or that your hair goes on fire about one player, but not others. How far back do we have to go with Errani to see her swan-like neck? You don't have proof of doping, but you love to insinuate, which is kind of a dirty gambit. If you made it the stuff of, "let's look into this," I'd be willing to discuss. But you insist you know, and sling mud over certain players, and I think that's cheap. Because you don't know.

Equally so you don't know either and that's the point here. Her neck did NOT look like a pro builder's
before and clearly saying she worked with him 'cos he was the best doctor in Valencia was a bit of a giveaway to anyone when they see her results since 2012.

 

[Front242]

I take it “I’m done here” means: Stay tuned, folks, I’ll be writing 14+ posts over the next five hours.

Well when people post a reply to me what can I do.

Your admiration for Rafa is paramount, the majority of your post are on Rafa centric threads, I guess that means u r Rafa's biggest "fan' on the boards. Welcome to the Party , Pal

I made one comment (and a true one at that, not even disputable by the great Kieran who likes to say everything I say about Nadal is "nonsense") about him having less hair in 2013 than 2010 and I also made this comment below which wasn't appreciated but hey, the truth hurts. Petz was robbed and likely had a high chance of winning without that MTO and hence why it was used by Senior Nadal. Not my fault people kept on replying to me after that, I had no choice but to return the favour

"Pity Philipp Petzschner's ranking has plummeted. Would be nice to see him in the draw all the same. He was robbed in 2010."

 

[Moxie]

You might like this too http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1977030

You do take what you want from it. It states that "over 10% of athletes indicated a frequent use of amphetamines or anabolic steroids at national or international level, fewer athletes mentioning blood doping (7%) and beta-blockers (2%) or other classes of drugs." Which means that nearly 90% use neither anabolic steroids nor amphetamines, in all of Italian sport. Therefore, the chances that Errani does becomes negligible. I see that you're all "glass half full" every time you read a statistic about doping, but you really need to read them better.

I couldn't find a link I posted on tennis.com (may look harder later) and it showed a far higher amount of Italian athletes on PEDs. Regardless so 10% isn't a lot to you ?!

It's not how much it is to me, but to you. If you consider a percentage chance of 10% to be high for abuse of PEDs, by country, then I would think that you would consider a percentage change of abuse of PED's in tennis to be equal to or below 10%, by player. Giving a +/- 90% chance that they don't dope, in the sport, the chances become negligible for a single player.

 

[Moxie]

^ You can't make conclusions based on specific angles of a photograph and a moment when an athlete is in full blood-flow. You should know better. Here is a photo of Errani from 2008:

http://www.zimbio.com/photos/Sara+Errani/Pilot+Pen+Tennis+Day+2/96fni92iNn0

She doesn't have the neck of a swan, and she does have defined muscles. How long are you claiming that she was working with a dirty doctor? Because she really didn't break through until 2012.

http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2012/11/players-shun-disgraced-doctor-del-moral/40123/#.U6OjbrGPz_k

Of course you sneer at the notion that players have distanced themselves from Del Moral, or why he might have seemed like a creditable sports doctor to some players, who could well be innocent. I will say again: you continually buy into insinuation, but you won't listen when others say there is another way of looking at things, or that your hair goes on fire about one player, but not others. How far back do we have to go with Errani to see her swan-like neck? You don't have proof of doping, but you love to insinuate, which is kind of a dirty gambit. If you made it the stuff of, "let's look into this," I'd be willing to discuss. But you insist you know, and sling mud over certain players, and I think that's cheap. Because you don't know.

Equally so you don't know either and that's the point here. Her neck did NOT look like a pro builder's
before and clearly saying she worked with him 'cos he was the best doctor in Valencia was a bit of a giveaway to anyone when they see her results since 2012.

You did not look at the photo from 2008. And she was very buff then. If she was juicing (or whatever you claim) for 4 years, why did it take 4 years to get the results? Frankly, that doesn't make sense.

 

[Moxie]

"Pity Philipp Petzschner's ranking has plummeted. Would be nice to see him in the draw all the same. He was robbed in 2010."

Petzchner is currently ranked 574. While upsets can happen, I don't think anyone would believe that, poor Phillipe, just on the brink of glory, was robbed by Nadal. He had time to recover, and didn't. If you're looking for a giant killer at Wimbledon, maybe you should hope that Dustin Brown gets in Nadal's quarter. Look forward, not back, friend.

 

[Kieran]

I actually never mentioned drugs once here. That's the first mention of that here. I only mentioned PRP being used while banned and Kieran started posting links of a supposed reply from his doctor to a blogger but so what 'cos his doctor refused to answer many questions anyway so it was all useless and I read it before years ago anyway and it wasn't worth posting. Being unable to substantiate what I said he could only come up with that and of course instantly it means the only viable link on the whole discussion is supposedly his. Hilarious. Anyway, screw this. Nadal fans can believe whatever they want to read but in just the same way people can post links some fans take objection to and say are nonsense we can easily claim the same about supposedly true articles 'cos frankly who the hell knows what's for real on the internet.

Kieran also quoted the WADA prohibitions relating to PRP from their own website - which you had posted as evidence that Rafa had done something illegal. There were exemptions mentioned in their list, but you conveniently ignored them.

And Rafa's doctor didn't refuse to answer questions: he refused to publicly discuss a patients private details, which is ethical, and different to refusing to answer questions. But it suits your narrative to spread inaccuracies. He also publicly gave his email so the blogger could contact him privately about it, and talk about it there.

His explanation fitted perfectly with WADA's own regulations.

Why am I having to explain this to you again, when you said you were done? You couldn't even tell the truth about that... :nono

 

[Front242]

^ Sure 'cos Spain is known to be so ethical when it comes to sports lol. Good one. Read about the Fuentes case much? Judge ordered all blood bags to be destroyed in case you conveniently forgot. Bet that made a lot of Spanish athletes happy. Good call by their oh so ethical judicial system. I'm sold now that Nadal's doctor supposedly writing to a blog is the definitive answer to this. Thanks for confirming lol.