Miami Open, Florida, USA, ATP Masters 2017

[DarthFed]

But it's Fog, kind of expected that donation of a break.

 

[Fiero425]

... and Fognini is not. Double fault #5!!!

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Doesn't matter cause 2set Rafa's game has went walk about..F3 may steal this set although he is playing lousy

F3 had a brain f@rt and lost his serve with a DF & ill advised drop shot in the wind! :blowup :cover

 

[Nekro]

Lol, nothing like a total retard calling someone else a tard. But please keep bringing up results back when Fed sucked on clay or Indian Wells in 2003 before Federer became a dominant force. What shit are you trying to sell? I agree Fed has more time to line up his shots on slower courts. Now this may come as a revelation to you but so does EVERYONE else, slower courts means more time. Wow I never had thought of that until you enlightened me. Also, this of course will come as a revelation to you but Federer plays with some of the most spin on tour, he doesn't need a lot of time to produce spin. Clearly he doesn't need a lot of time to do whatever the fuck he wants on the court which is a big part of the reason he is much better on faster surfaces.

You're messing your stuff up. Before you said for speed faster is always better, only the bounce counts when even Fed said in some cases he prefers slower courts, then you admit he has more time to line up his shots but deny he has any need for that because he does whatever the fuck he wants to on the court when it's clearly not the case. And you're still ignoring the CLAY bounces which Fed had big problems handling, even when he hits the ball early. Have you ever watched him play? He needs more time for that, Fedtards deny that fact and get aggressive like you when facing the truth about their idol. He doesn't do whatever the fuck he wants to on the court, lol, Fed as a dominant force on clay, after exactly when? Look at 2008 RG final, a complete clown..... oh wait, he became a dominant force when he beat the ping-pong player Söderling

He needs more time against heavy spinners, especially with his BH, just go back and watch his errorfests against clay specialists on fast clay.

nonsense regarding the WTF? Seriously... you clearly don't like the tournament, that's your choice. But I've been watching that tournament as far back as some of the mighty battles between Lendl and McEnroe. If it was such a scrub tournament, you only have to look at the calibre of player's who've won it. Since 1980, I can only think of Davydenko and Nalbandian who weren't multi-slam and/or number 1 ranked players (I may be wrong). I can think of few tournaments including slams with that sort of pedigree mate. Think again...

What nonsense? it's a tank tourney, more like an exhibition than a real tourney. I liked the Nalby-Fed final, there was real effort there, but ofc we know Fed's and Nalby's special rivalry. And ofc Nalby was not a slam winner, maybe he cared more about the crappy WTF. TBH as a fan i would like Rafa to have it but i never saw in him the motivation and the fire to really win it. Maybe cause as a tank tourney it has no prestige at all. As i said before, casual tennis fans don't even know Nalby won the WTF, all remember his Wimby loss against Hewitt.

 

[Moxie]

Great job, Rafa! Into the final. Brad Gilbert says that Rafa has made the final every 3 years since 2005 and so was due this year. Hopefully 5th time is the charm.

 

[the AntiPusher]

Bravo Rafa..he served fantastic.,he will need to win this thing

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Okay Rafa Five Times making a Miami final lets Do It this time and win.

 

[Moxie]

But it's Fog, kind of expected that donation of a break.

Cream puff!

 

[the AntiPusher]

... and Fognini is not. Double fault #5!!!

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Doesn't matter cause 2set Rafa's game has went walk about..F3 may steal this set although he is playing lousy

F3 had a brain f@rt and lost his serve with a DF & ill advised drop shot in the wind! :blowup :cover

F3 mind wasn't in it today..too bad

 

[DarthFed]

Cream puff!

Was he not?

 

[Busted]

Kyrgios could be in the Safin/Wawrinka mold - very talented and capable of beating anyone when he's hot, but inconsistent and also able to lose to anyone. He truly is a wildcard: I could see a scenario where he flames out in Slams, year after year, and doesn't win any; I can also see him winning four or five.

Ah. Marat Safin. Such a beautiful game. And such a waste of talent. The combination of injuries and a better player (Federer) shortened his brief stay at the top, but he was great fun to watch.

Seems to me that Kyrgios is more of a Safin than a Stan. Loads of natural talent that needs to be honed by a good coach. I don't think the game comes naturally to Stan and he really has to work at it. Kyrgios seems bored by it because it's easy for him. He's like a really intelligent kid with ADHD - his attention span is non-existent.

 

[Busted]

Easy win for Nadal. Don't think the match later today is going to be as fast and easy.

Of course it was an easy win for Nadal. I think we all knew Fognini wouldn't win.

Roger's match though? That'll probably be brutal. He always gets the tougher draws and then if he loses all the talking heads want to talk about is his retirement. Forget that he had to play 2 tough matches the 2 previous matches. When it's Nadal though all they'll say is he plays such a physical game that surely he was tired and that's why he didn't win.

 

[Fiero425]

Kyrgios could be in the Safin/Wawrinka mold - very talented and capable of beating anyone when he's hot, but inconsistent and also able to lose to anyone. He truly is a wildcard: I could see a scenario where he flames out in Slams, year after year, and doesn't win any; I can also see him winning four or five.

Ah. Marat Safin. Such a beautiful game. And such a waste of talent. The combination of injuries and a better player (Federer) shortened his brief stay at the top, but he was great fun to watch.

Seems to me that Kyrgios is more of a Safin than a Stan. Loads of natural talent that needs to be honed by a good coach. I don't think the game comes naturally to Stan and he really has to work at it. Kyrgios seems bored by it because it's easy for him. He's like a really intelligent kid with ADHD - his attention span is non-existent.

I put Safin up there as the "Ilie Nastase" of his time; every shot in the book with a HOT serve and great touch! His career spanned just enough to encompass and beat Sampras at the 2000 USO Final and Federer in an '05 semi "down under!" :clap :ras: - - - - - - - - - - - http://fiero4251.blogspot.com/2016/08/fan-page-novak-nole-djokovic.html - - - - - -

 

[Federberg]

You're messing your stuff up. Before you said for speed faster is always better, only the bounce counts when even Fed said in some cases he prefers slower courts, then you admit he has more time to line up his shots but deny he has any need for that because he does whatever the fuck he wants to on the court when it's clearly not the case. And you're still ignoring the CLAY bounces which Fed had big problems handling, even when he hits the ball early. Have you ever watched him play? He needs more time for that, Fedtards deny that fact and get aggressive like you when facing the truth about their idol. He doesn't do whatever the fuck he wants to on the court, lol, Fed as a dominant force on clay, after exactly when? Look at 2008 RG final, a complete clown..... oh wait, he became a dominant force when he beat the ping-pong player Söderling

He needs more time against heavy spinners, especially with his BH, just go back and watch his errorfests against clay specialists on fast clay.

What nonsense? it's a tank tourney, more like an exhibition than a real tourney. I liked the Nalby-Fed final, there was real effort there, but ofc we know Fed's and Nalby's special rivalry. And ofc Nalby was not a slam winner, maybe he cared more about the crappy WTF. TBH as a fan i would like Rafa to have it but i never saw in him the motivation and the fire to really win it. Maybe cause as a tank tourney it has no prestige at all. As i said before, casual tennis fans don't even know Nalby won the WTF, all remember his Wimby loss against Hewitt.

Ah! I get it now. You're a Rafa-fan. I thought it was a genuine dislike of the WTF. Now I see you're basically whining about Rafa's lack of success there. Don't try to project your despair on Rafa. It's fairly clear he would love to win it, he (and Uncle Toni) wouldn't complain about the surface if he didn't. I get the sense you like to make statements that haven't any basis in reality - that's the way the world is now I guess - but a tank tourney? Really? Do you realise how dumb that sounds when you look at the roll of honour there? I'm starting to feel embarrassed for you

 

[mrzz]

He has pretty good ground strokes, and can generate power off both wings and doesn't give up that many mistakes. He doesn't have a darth vader weapon like Nadal's fh or Djokovics backhand, but its still pretty solid given his huge serve.

I really disagree. At least in the matches I have seen, his rally shots are really weak. And about generating power... he takes opportunity on short balls, or some that are floating a bit higher (given that he is tall). He hardly generates power against an "average" ball. Sometimes he simply goes for broke, with random results.

Yes, he does not make many mistakes in rallies, exactly because he plays with very little risk.

Again, with a serve like that (the guy has an average speed on second serve higher than most guys have for the first), if he were that good he would be much higher up in the rankings. I am not saying that he is a "fluke" or anything like that, he is a good player. I just don´t think he is that good (at least for now).

 

[Moxie]

Was he not?

And surely that's the only reason Rafa won.

 

[DarthFed]

You're messing your stuff up. Before you said for speed faster is always better, only the bounce counts when even Fed said in some cases he prefers slower courts, then you admit he has more time to line up his shots but deny he has any need for that because he does whatever the fuck he wants to on the court when it's clearly not the case. And you're still ignoring the CLAY bounces which Fed had big problems handling, even when he hits the ball early. Have you ever watched him play? He needs more time for that, Fedtards deny that fact and get aggressive like you when facing the truth about their idol. He doesn't do whatever the fuck he wants to on the court, lol, Fed as a dominant force on clay, after exactly when? Look at 2008 RG final, a complete clown..... oh wait, he became a dominant force when he beat the ping-pong player Söderling

He needs more time against heavy spinners, especially with his BH, just go back and watch his errorfests against clay specialists on fast clay.

What nonsense? it's a tank tourney, more like an exhibition than a real tourney. I liked the Nalby-Fed final, there was real effort there, but ofc we know Fed's and Nalby's special rivalry. And ofc Nalby was not a slam winner, maybe he cared more about the crappy WTF. TBH as a fan i would like Rafa to have it but i never saw in him the motivation and the fire to really win it. Maybe cause as a tank tourney it has no prestige at all. As i said before, casual tennis fans don't even know Nalby won the WTF, all remember his Wimby loss against Hewitt.

I didn't mess anything up, Roger's best clay court was Hamburg because it was a much lower bounce than the other big clay events. His second best event is Madrid which again has a lower bounce. If your point is that the height of the bounce is more important than the court speed for Roger then I would agree. Where you're obviously mistaken is in thinking Roger prefers slow clay or slow anything as opposed to fast. Since you want to dismiss 2009 RG (of course) then one would say that 2011 was by far his best performance there and it came during a year where he turned 30 and showed huge signs of decline. They switched to a lighter ball creating much faster conditions than normal and we saw the result. You questioning if I've watched him play is funny when you're making statements as out there as this. From his serve, to his net play, to his forehand, to his ability to take the ball very early it all points to him preferring fast and low bouncing surfaces. And of course on the clay (slow and high-bouncing) his 1 HBH becomes a big target and not just vs. Nadal.

And reading comprehension is your friend. I said that Roger was not a dominant force overall back in 2003 when he lost to Kuerten at IW, a loss which came about 4 months before his first major at Wimbledon. For clay it took Roger awhile to become good on the stuff, he was not a factor at most clay events until 2005. So you basing these wild theories of yours off of matches in 2003 and before when he was losing in the 1st round of RG is ridiculous. Things change and certainly Roger's game has.

As for YEC I can see being a Wafatard has clouded your vision here. Of course since he has failed there time and time again it suddenly has no meaning. Roger has won it 6 times, Nole 5 times, Sampras 5 times and so on down the line. If you think a tournament that features only the top 8 players in the world has no meaning I don't know what to tell you. But I'm sure you'd be one of the first claiming Rafa is greater than Fed based on the H2H right?

 

[mightyjeditribble]

Easy win for Nadal. Don't think the match later today is going to be as fast and easy.

Of course it was an easy win for Nadal. I think we all knew Fognini wouldn't win.

Roger's match though? That'll probably be brutal. He always gets the tougher draws and then if he loses all the talking heads want to talk about is his retirement. Forget that he had to play 2 tough matches the 2 previous matches. When it's Nadal though all they'll say is he plays such a physical game that surely he was tired and that's why he didn't win.

He doesn't "always" get the tougher draws - it tends to even out.

Of course i agree about the useless talking heads ...

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[Nekro]

Ah! I get it now. You're a Rafa-fan. I thought it was a genuine dislike of the WTF. Now I see you're basically whining about Rafa's lack of success there. Don't try to project your despair on Rafa. It's fairly clear he would love to win it, he (and Uncle Toni) wouldn't complain about the surface if he didn't. I get the sense you like to make statements that haven't any basis in reality - that's the way the world is now I guess - but a tank tourney? Really? Do you realise how dumb that sounds when you look at the roll of honour there? I'm starting to feel embarrassed for you

Federberg you're such a lousy little tard, a few days ago you didn't even know about the courts and what altitudes they were at, you were talking about altitudes when i'd already told you in IW desert heat is the factor and in Miami humidity, Moxie had to correct you. And no matter how many Fedtards like Twisted's post it's still distilled shit.

Yes, where most of the players tank it's a tank tourney, no matter who played there. WTF is about rankings, that's why some players bother to give an effort.

Rafa and Toni are always whining about everything everywhere. That's no evidence Rafa actually cares about that tourney.

But I'm sure you'd be one of the first claiming Rafa is greater than Fed based on the H2H right?

Nah, that's the result of the bad matchup, imagine, i care about the GS count

 

[mightyjeditribble]

Easy win for Nadal. Don't think the match later today is going to be as fast and easy.

Of course it was an easy win for Nadal. I think we all knew Fognini wouldn't win.

Roger's match though? That'll probably be brutal. He always gets the tougher draws and then if he loses all the talking heads want to talk about is his retirement. Forget that he had to play 2 tough matches the 2 previous matches. When it's Nadal though all they'll say is he plays such a physical game that surely he was tired and that's why he didn't win.

He doesn't "always" get the tougher draws - it tends to even out.

Of course i agree about the useless talking heads ...

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PS. Nadal gets the same nonsense about retirement and being past it etc. so no different treatment really.

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[DarthFed]

And surely that's the only reason Rafa won.

I never said that. Rafa had one good set and one crappy one. He does seem to have his "USO serve" that comes out once in a blue moon. He's serving a lot better than Roger has so far this event. Also this is as well as I've ever seen him hit his backhand. Kind of interesting that you can say that about both Roger and Rafa this year and that's why so far they're lapping the field as though it was 10 years ago.