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El Dude said:
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No grudge..I just typically move on from it I just haven't forgot it..it's a non issue..El dude..you need to remember what Obi Wan (Brit Box) taught all of us ..Debate the post not the poster..with Carol you have a tendency to debate her as a person which begins the mindless tirades from Front and others.,which is unfair especially from a moderator, imo

To quote John McEnroe, you cannot be serious. You are telling me this after putting my character in question? That's rich.

It's not rich but fact...you tried to draw me into your silly plight of your tryin you dress down Carol over her comments. I not interested in trying to censor Carol about how she responds to post or how she should or not to feel , that's foolish and silly..however it's is something that you feel compelled to do..that's a fact and is again a reflection of your character . Nuff said I am done with this thread.
 

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Kyrgios is..wow! He gives me this illusion that the clock moves slower on his side of the court. Last I remember I had that feeling was when I first saw Roger play in W2003. Plus NK has easy power. Not that I am suggesting anything about his future.

Yes, the match was on NK's racket alright. I am worried for him. Set 3 was unnecessary. He almost seems casual out there. He needs an inspirational coach. Why on earth was he rubbing it into that poor linesman after winning the challenge? It's either a stellar or a frustrated career ahead. I can't believe that this was the guy giving Stan personal information on court... he should be thinking of his future instead.

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There is no doubt that among all the youngsters, Kyrgios is the most talented. Now, it also looks like he may be able to channel it.
 

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I have not seen the last two matches of Roger completely. But, I am little concerned here. I was willing to give him a pass for the RBA match as it is tough to bring out your best self all the time and he had played the previous day. But, he had a days rest before playing Bird and yet played very terribly at least the end. I am not sure whether he is just tired or practicing clown mode or has some undisclosed injuries.

Whatever be the case, if the Fed that played RBA or Bird comes to the court tomorrow, he has no chance against the Nick that played Sasha today. Zero, Zilch, 0 chance.
 
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The low bounce of the court compared to other clay tournaments is the advantage he had. Nowhere in that interview does he say he's better on slow clay courts. If the clay was both fast and low bouncing he'd dominate like it was grass.

Also he's made the Rome final 4 times and that is faster than MC and RG, it's also the only time he was close to beating Rafa in best of 5 on clay.
Didn't you read the rest of the post? Playing on clay is different from playing on HC because of the weird bounces, those are easier to handle on slow clay, then don't forget the footing etc etc ..

Lol, the number of the finals doesn't mean anything . He was skipping MC regularly ffs. Also, don't forget he wanted to win Rome very badly so he gave extra effort there, but still got beaten by everybody and their grandmas:


"The Rome Masters, as it's now called, is the world's second most prestigious clay-court tournament. For much of tennis history, it was widely considered the "fifth major."

Big Bill Tilden, the dominant player of the interwar years, won the inaugural event in 1930. Since then, every great clay-court player -- and, more to the point here, a fair number of great fast-court players -- have held up the trophy at the Foro Italico.

Lew Hoad. Rod Laver. John Newcombe. Pete Sampras. Andre Agassi. All Rome champions.

Federer, so aware of both tennis history and his place in it, surely recognizes that Rome represents a significant hole in his CV.

He should have won the thing in 2003. The tour's rising star, he rolled through his first five matches with the loss of just one set. But he came out flat for the final. His opponent, on the other hand, felt "like a gladiator in the Colosseum." The 29-year-old journeyman Felix Mantilla knew this was his last chance to win an important title. "I don't have the serve of Sampras or the volley of Rafter or the talent of Agassi, you know," he said afterward. "I must be very focus every point. I must be strong mentally."

He was strong mentally, and he beat Federer in straight sets. It was the last tournament Mantilla would ever win.

The next year, Federer was the number-one seed -- and a young Spaniard named Rafael Nadal wasn't in the draw. But another Spaniard, 2002 French Open champion Albert Costa, was waiting for Federer in the second round. The veteran Costa always ran hot and cold, and on this day, he was hot.

Then there's 2006 and the most amazing match Federer and Nadal ever played -- indeed, one of the greatest in tennis history. Attacking time and again, Roger earned a couple of match points in the fifth set -- but Rafa, entrenched behind the baseline, wouldn't let him hit the ball past him. Nadal ultimately won, 6-7, 7-6, 6-4, 2-6, 7-6. He was officially on his way to becoming the best clay-court player ever.

The next year, the tournament changed the format for the final from best-of-five sets to best-of-three, the same as the earlier rounds.

Federer hasn't had a whole lot of luck in Rome since. In 2007, he went out in the third round to favorite son Filippo Volandri. The next year, even more inexplicably, he let fellow fast-court player Radek Stepanek take two tiebreakers from him in the quarterfinals.

He'd make the final again, two years ago, and this time there'd be no drama. Nadal crushed him, 6-1, 6-3.

Federer considered bypassing Rome this year. He wants to make sure he's fresh for another shot at Grand Slam title #18 -- not at Roland Garros, but on his beloved grass at Wimbledon three weeks later.

He ended up deciding to play in Italy, and so far he's looking pretty good. He's already provided the shot of the tournament -- and we're confident it's going to stay the shot of the tournament no matter what happens the rest of the week. Watch it below:

So, can Roger Federer finally win this freakin' tournament?

Friday in the quarterfinals he defeated sixth-seeded Tomas Berdych, who played well but is the kind of big, lumbering guy Federer likes to face on clay.

Now, of course, Nadal and Novak Djokovic loom. Did you just hear the ominous boom of thunder, too?

Federer has bested Nadal only twice in 15 clay-court matches. And the last of those two wins, in Madrid, was way back in 2009.

But we all know Rafa hasn't been himself so far this year. "Obviously today I'm not as good as I (was)," he said just a few days ago. "Today I'm not winning as much as I did in the past."

Nadal appears to be slowly rounding into top form, but if Federer presses him from the very first ball, and keeps relentlessly attacking, we very well could see more of those uncharacteristic shanks that Rafa repeatedly hit in the Madrid final against Andy Murray. An upset clay-court win for Federer seems a lot more possible now than it has at any time in the past half-dozen years.

And three-time Rome winner Djokovic? Federer's already beaten the World No. 1 this year, in the Dubai final. And Federer's the guy, let's remember, who ended Nole's famed gazillion-match winning streak in 2011 with a thumping clay-court victory in the French Open semifinals. Make no mistake: Federer would be the underdog to the Serb backboard in a Rome final, but Djokovic doesn't unnerve Federer like Nadal does. Plus, there's this: With the fast-approaching French Open foremost in his mind (it's the only major tournament he hasn't won), Djokovic might not be willing to lay it all out there in a tense, long Rome final. Federer isn't focused on Roland Garros -- so he might be more motivated to dig deep in Italy's red dirt.

Too bad Rome pulled the final back to best-of-three sets after that classic 2006 final."
 

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I love to be against the trend. Kyrgios is way overrated. He is good, no doubt about that. But people forget that he is a big server, a VERY big server. He gets more or less the results that a big server gets -- consider still that he moves better than most big servers.

In my opinion people confuse an unorthodox style with talent. I won´t fall in the trap of exaggeration in the opposite direction: he is talented, as any top 20 player is. He is different -- which is nice to see -- and therefore draws attention.

But his ground strokes are poor. His net skills average at best. When his serve is not clicking, he is in serious trouble.
 

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I hope Roger can return Kyrgios' serves. If he can do that, it will be easy. Roger can beat Kyrgios by first strike tennis. Moreover, Kyrgios generally gives time to his opponent to show variety. Roger will exploit that.
 

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shivashish said:
I hope Roger can return Kyrgios' serves. If he can do that, it will be easy. Roger can beat Kyrgios by first strike tennis. Moreover, Kyrgios generally gives time to his opponent to show variety. Roger will exploit that.

Roger can beat Krygrios by First strike tennis


Good luck with that strategy versus Krygrios , it's very high risk tennis
 

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the AntiPusher said:
shivashish said:
I hope Roger can return Kyrgios' serves. If he can do that, it will be easy. Roger can beat Kyrgios by first strike tennis. Moreover, Kyrgios generally gives time to his opponent to show variety. Roger will exploit that.

Roger can beat Krygrios by First strike tennis


Good luck with that strategy versus Krygrios , it's very high risk tennis

Roger can take risk and actually must be proactive against Kyrgios.
 

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Didn't you read the rest of the post? Playing on clay is different from playing on HC because of the weird bounces, those are easier to handle on slow clay, then don't forget the footing etc etc ..

Lol, the number of the finals doesn't mean anything . He was skipping MC regularly ffs. Also, don't forget he wanted to win Rome very badly so he gave extra effort there, but still got beaten by everybody and their grandmas:


"The Rome Masters, as it's now called, is the world's second most prestigious clay-court tournament. For much of tennis history, it was widely considered the "fifth major."

Big Bill Tilden, the dominant player of the interwar years, won the inaugural event in 1930. Since then, every great clay-court player -- and, more to the point here, a fair number of great fast-court players -- have held up the trophy at the Foro Italico.

Lew Hoad. Rod Laver. John Newcombe. Pete Sampras. Andre Agassi. All Rome champions.

Federer, so aware of both tennis history and his place in it, surely recognizes that Rome represents a significant hole in his CV.

He should have won the thing in 2003. The tour's rising star, he rolled through his first five matches with the loss of just one set. But he came out flat for the final. His opponent, on the other hand, felt "like a gladiator in the Colosseum." The 29-year-old journeyman Felix Mantilla knew this was his last chance to win an important title. "I don't have the serve of Sampras or the volley of Rafter or the talent of Agassi, you know," he said afterward. "I must be very focus every point. I must be strong mentally."

He was strong mentally, and he beat Federer in straight sets. It was the last tournament Mantilla would ever win.

The next year, Federer was the number-one seed -- and a young Spaniard named Rafael Nadal wasn't in the draw. But another Spaniard, 2002 French Open champion Albert Costa, was waiting for Federer in the second round. The veteran Costa always ran hot and cold, and on this day, he was hot.

Then there's 2006 and the most amazing match Federer and Nadal ever played -- indeed, one of the greatest in tennis history. Attacking time and again, Roger earned a couple of match points in the fifth set -- but Rafa, entrenched behind the baseline, wouldn't let him hit the ball past him. Nadal ultimately won, 6-7, 7-6, 6-4, 2-6, 7-6. He was officially on his way to becoming the best clay-court player ever.

The next year, the tournament changed the format for the final from best-of-five sets to best-of-three, the same as the earlier rounds.

Federer hasn't had a whole lot of luck in Rome since. In 2007, he went out in the third round to favorite son Filippo Volandri. The next year, even more inexplicably, he let fellow fast-court player Radek Stepanek take two tiebreakers from him in the quarterfinals.

He'd make the final again, two years ago, and this time there'd be no drama. Nadal crushed him, 6-1, 6-3.

Federer considered bypassing Rome this year. He wants to make sure he's fresh for another shot at Grand Slam title #18 -- not at Roland Garros, but on his beloved grass at Wimbledon three weeks later.

He ended up deciding to play in Italy, and so far he's looking pretty good. He's already provided the shot of the tournament -- and we're confident it's going to stay the shot of the tournament no matter what happens the rest of the week. Watch it below:

So, can Roger Federer finally win this freakin' tournament?

Friday in the quarterfinals he defeated sixth-seeded Tomas Berdych, who played well but is the kind of big, lumbering guy Federer likes to face on clay.

Now, of course, Nadal and Novak Djokovic loom. Did you just hear the ominous boom of thunder, too?

Federer has bested Nadal only twice in 15 clay-court matches. And the last of those two wins, in Madrid, was way back in 2009.

But we all know Rafa hasn't been himself so far this year. "Obviously today I'm not as good as I (was)," he said just a few days ago. "Today I'm not winning as much as I did in the past."

Nadal appears to be slowly rounding into top form, but if Federer presses him from the very first ball, and keeps relentlessly attacking, we very well could see more of those uncharacteristic shanks that Rafa repeatedly hit in the Madrid final against Andy Murray. An upset clay-court win for Federer seems a lot more possible now than it has at any time in the past half-dozen years.

And three-time Rome winner Djokovic? Federer's already beaten the World No. 1 this year, in the Dubai final. And Federer's the guy, let's remember, who ended Nole's famed gazillion-match winning streak in 2011 with a thumping clay-court victory in the French Open semifinals. Make no mistake: Federer would be the underdog to the Serb backboard in a Rome final, but Djokovic doesn't unnerve Federer like Nadal does. Plus, there's this: With the fast-approaching French Open foremost in his mind (it's the only major tournament he hasn't won), Djokovic might not be willing to lay it all out there in a tense, long Rome final. Federer isn't focused on Roland Garros -- so he might be more motivated to dig deep in Italy's red dirt.

Too bad Rome pulled the final back to best-of-three sets after that classic 2006 final."

I read it and I don't agree. If you followed Federer's career from the beginning you'd know he didn't become a threat on clay until 2005 so the fact he made the Rome final in 2003 was pretty telling. His only decent results were that and Hamburg (one is faster clay and one lower bouncing,hmmm) He certainly wasn't doing anything at RG until 2005. He's had plenty of bad losses at the other clay tournaments over the years too, in MC 2005 he lost to 18 year old Gasquet for one of his 4 losses of the season, MC 2009 he lost to Stan before he became a force, he lost to Melzer one of those years too. In RG he has lost to Gulbis and Tsonga in really bad fashion. What's also telling is at 2011 RG the tournament used a lighter ball which caused conditions to be much faster than normal. And that's the year Fed ended Djokovic's 45 match win streak and made the final against Rafa more competitive than expected given he was already about to be 30.

Rome is not a huge hole in his CV, it's not a hole at all really. Winning Rome and MC would be nice but Federer has won the prized jewel on red clay. A huge gap is a major or the YEC, those are the biggest events and each played on a different surface. Miami and Paris is not a hole for Rafa's CV because he has won Australia on a slow/medium paced HC. Cincy is not a hole in Nole's CV because he has won the USO, etc. The only notable gap for the big 3 is Nadal at YEC, he hasn't shown he can win the big event indoors yet so that represents a true gap though it's not anywhere near the same as not winning one of the majors.
 

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shivashish said:
the AntiPusher said:
shivashish said:
I hope Roger can return Kyrgios' serves. If he can do that, it will be easy. Roger can beat Kyrgios by first strike tennis. Moreover, Kyrgios generally gives time to his opponent to show variety. Roger will exploit that.

Roger can beat Krygrios by First strike tennis


Good luck with that strategy versus Krygrios , it's very high risk tennis

Roger can take risk and actually must be proactive against Kyrgios.

This is true...by the way..KOD picked Rafa and Krygrios to meet in the finals...this holds well for Fed fans...F3 always give Rafa headaches but i think Rafa has learned his lesson plus I think along with Rosol, F3 is one player that Rafa will not be calling a friend anytime soon. I am concerned about Nick's knee.it wouldn't surprise me If Krygrios call in sick and a walkover is given to Fed.(I am still bitter that Nishikori and Berdych did a double walkover vs Djokovic and Nadal in 2014 at Miami and I had to eat court side seats:devil)
 

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a bad Nick / the Fog final could be more than funny...
 

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mrzz said:
But his ground strokes are poor. His net skills average at best. When his serve is not clicking, he is in serious trouble.

He has pretty good ground strokes, and can generate power off both wings and doesn't give up that many mistakes. He doesn't have a darth vader weapon like Nadal's fh or Djokovics backhand, but its still pretty solid given his huge serve.

He also is capable of winning 'scramble' points, where he has to improvise and shotmake. It's just pretty polished, and imo he might have an Andy Murray like career given his temperment (which is his huge weakness)

Overall, he is a serious talent, and imo the 5th or 6th best player in the world currently.
 

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Haelfix said:
mrzz said:
But his ground strokes are poor. His net skills average at best. When his serve is not clicking, he is in serious trouble.

He has pretty good ground strokes, and can generate power off both wings and doesn't give up that many mistakes. He doesn't have a darth vader weapon like Nadal's fh or Djokovics backhand, but its still pretty solid given his huge serve.

He also is capable of winning 'scramble' points, where he has to improvise and shotmake. It's just pretty polished, and imo he might have an Andy Murray like career given his temperment (which is his huge weakness)

Overall, he is a serious talent, and imo the 5th or 6th best player in the world currently.

I disagree..he has all the Darth Vader weapons, 1st and 2nd serves. He can crank deadly ground strokes from both wings..fh/bh...just like Monfils you never know which version of Nick will show up
 
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I read it and I don't agree. If you followed Federer's career from the beginning you'd know he didn't become a threat on clay until 2005 so the fact he made the Rome final in 2003 was pretty telling. His only decent results were that and Hamburg (one is faster clay and one lower bouncing,hmmm) He certainly wasn't doing anything at RG until 2005. He's had plenty of bad losses at the other clay tournaments over the years too, in MC 2005 he lost to 18 year old Gasquet for one of his 4 losses of the season, MC 2009 he lost to Stan before he became a force, he lost to Melzer one of those years too. In RG he has lost to Gulbis and Tsonga in really bad fashion. What's also telling is at 2011 RG the tournament used a lighter ball which caused conditions to be much faster than normal. And that's the year Fed ended Djokovic's 45 match win streak and made the final against Rafa more competitive than expected given he was already about to be 30.

Rome is not a huge hole in his CV, it's not a hole at all really. Winning Rome and MC would be nice but Federer has won the prized jewel on red clay. A huge gap is a major or the YEC, those are the biggest events and each played on a different surface. Miami and Paris is not a hole for Rafa's CV because he has won Australia on a slow/medium paced HC. Cincy is not a hole in Nole's CV because he has won the USO, etc. The only notable gap for the big 3 is Nadal at YEC, he hasn't shown he can win the big event indoors yet so that represents a true gap though it's not anywhere near the same as not winning one of the majors.
I'm sorry to say this but that's a load of FedTARD stuff you wrote there, the thing you always hear from the fedtards on sites like mtf.

At the start of this debate you brought in even HC and grass as if they were anything similar to clay to play on. Your theory is pretty simple from the start. The faster the better for Roger, only high bounce can hurt him.

Then you compare his results in Rome to the ones in MC where he didn't even bother to show up. In Rome 2003 he faced nobodies, players who played badly and in the semifinal Ferrero retired with shoulder injury, just lol!!! cakewalk for Rogi, but Mantilla, the only decent clay court player with good spin brought him down. He actually made Fed look like a fool, and exactly because Fed had no time to prepare for his strokes like on slow hamburg clay.

Then you're saying Fed won the prized jewel against who? not a real claycourter with heavy topspin, the thing that causes him serious troubles on clay, but Söderling, a ping-pong player. Actually he vultured that title, not won it in a true battle.

Fast court, fast court, fast court, cry the Fedtards. Yes, Fed often said he prefers fast courts generally, but he said things like this too:

“Obviously the margins are smaller on a quicker court,” Federer said on Friday. “Because let’s say the first game I do get broken because he hits a few good shots and maybe I serve one, maybe two maximum serves not perfect, you’re right away in trouble, which on a slower court is not going to happen that quickly. So I feel probably a bit more confident on a slower court against a normal player. Against top guys, they can also play very well on the faster courts as well.”

Source: http://www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2014-01-04/14452.php

This was said in a context with avoiding upsets in mind, however, the smaller margins apply to a fast claycourt too. Players with decent topspin like Guga and Mantilla made Fed look like a clown.

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Guga Straight setted Fed both at RG and Indian wells, which is hard court, what a surprise, Fed could beat him only in Hamburg, and in 3 sets.

We've had many discussions about this on various sites and 3-4 of the most knowledgable and neutral posters said that Fed had more time to prepare for his strokes on slow clay. The only knowledgable poster who said something different was Action Jackson, he said that the most important thing was the footing, there may be a grain of truth in that even though Guga beat Roger at IW in straights too which again indicates the first theory is more likely truer.

Very logical too btw, killer topspin with smaller margin= suckage, also on clay you have to put spin on your shot otherwise your shots will be weakfarts. You can't play ping-pong on clay lol. I guess only the most dedicated Fedtards can't accept this simple fact.

About the WTF, :facepalm: not much to add, the icing on the Fedtard cake, a tourney which has the most blatant tankings, to the extent it's almost unwatchable and where only players who go for rankings care about giving a half-assed effort. Just lol!