Miami Open, Florida, USA, ATP Masters 2017

[DarthFed]

He's a perfectly fine journeyman. I'd actually call him solid, within his talents. Anyway, Rafa started uncharacteristically sluggish, for whatever reason, and improved each set.

Nah, by definition a journeyman is average/mediocre as far as the tour goes. Of course he is far from a mediocre tennis player being a top 30 player in the world. But in the ATP he's a decent talent who doesn't really scare anyone good and we saw it today, just too inconsistent.

 

[Moxie]

Nah, by definition a journeyman is average/mediocre as far as the tour goes. Of course he is far from a mediocre tennis player being a top 30 player in the world. But in the ATP he's a decent talent who doesn't really scare anyone good and we saw it today, just too inconsistent.

I'm not sure if we're clear on terms. (And you actually called Kohlschreiber "nothing" a couple of posts ago, which I guess you're walking back.) I would call a "journeyman" a solid mid-packer, which I think Kohlscreiber is. https://www.google.com/#q=journeyman+definition&*

"Reliable but not outstanding." I think that describes him. You say he's inconsistent, but I'd disagree. He always shows up to play, and play hard within his gifts. But they're limited. Fognini is inconsistent, as is Verdasco, Dimitrov, Gulbis. But Kohlscreiber always shows up with the same game and attitude.

 

[DarthFed]

I'm not sure if we're clear on terms. (And you actually called Kohlschreiber "nothing" a couple of posts ago, which I guess you're walking back.) I would call a "journeyman" a solid mid-packer, which I think Kohlscreiber is. https://www.google.com/#q=journeyman+definition&*

"Reliable but not outstanding." I think that describes him. You say he's inconsistent, but I'd disagree. He always shows up to play, and play hard within his gifts. But they're limited. Fognini is inconsistent, as is Verdasco, Dimitrov, Gulbis. But Kohlscreiber always shows up with the same game and attitude.

Eh, we are kind of splitting hairs here. I think Kohl's game is inconsistent but he is mentally pretty steady if that makes sense. He goes for his shots because he has to yet he doesn't have big weapons. If he's on his backhand in particular can be great but it's not high % tennis and he can be quite erratic. I don't think he's an underachiever like some of the basketcases you named but those guys are also more talented and dangerous. But being a "solid midlander" is a fancy way of saying you like him but he isn't good.

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

lol was weird seeing kolly go full Federer, how rude of him to give rafa a 6-0, on his 1000th singles match. rafa won through finally tho,

 

[the AntiPusher]

Finally, Kohly picking up on his service game. Hope he maintains that.

My Lord , gsm..you are just like a blood sucking vulture waiting for a Nadal corpse..

No not that. Kohly was playing way too loosely (that is in a highly relaxed manner) in the second set. Bare minimum he should have forced to Rafa to serve out the second set. Then, at least he would have had the advantage of going first in third set.

about as blatant as a vulture can be about this match

 

[Moxie]

Eh, we are kind of splitting hairs here. I think Kohl's game is inconsistent but he is mentally pretty steady if that makes sense. He goes for his shots because he has to yet he doesn't have big weapons. If he's on his backhand in particular can be great but it's not high % tennis and he can be quite erratic. I don't think he's an underachiever like some of the basketcases you named but those guys are also more talented and dangerous. But being a "solid midlander" is a fancy way of saying you like him but he isn't good.

I don't know if we're so much splitting hairs as we'll never see tennis in the same way. Your version is very black & white. Either you win, or you don't. I appreciate effort, and I think that being #31 is really not a bad thing. (And he's been as high as 16.) I thought you respected low-percentage, go-for-it tennis. I'm guessing that "solid midlander" is an autocorrect mistake, but I think basically everyone likes Phillip. He's not great, but he is actually good.

 

[Ricardo]

I am never a fan of talking down players, using terms mediocre, limited talent and etc which show a lack of respect for those who are actually one in a million level of talent.....a top 30 player is more than that, as there are definitely more than 30 million people who play the sport. Instead of talking low of Kohli, one should praise Nadal for how amazing he is always there fighting until the last point, even though he's been through so much and isn't in great form.

 

[the AntiPusher]

DYJR continues to win..but as always no love from this board..

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Rafa joins the ATP's 1000 matches club after his win against Phil K and has the highest % in it.

 

[britbox]

Results from the Miami Men's Singles Round 3 matches on Sunday

13-Jack Sock (U.S.) beat Jiri Vesely (Czech Republic) 6-3 7-6(0)
Fabio Fognini (Italy) beat Jeremy Chardy (France) 3-6 6-4 6-4
Donald Young (U.S.) beat Benoit Paire (France) 7-6(2) 6-4
Nicolas Mahut (France) beat Guido Pella (Argentina) 6-4 6-3
2-Kei Nishikori (Japan) beat 25-Fernando Verdasco (Spain) 7-6(2) 6-7(5) 6-1
Federico Delbonis (Argentina) beat Jan-Lennard Struff (Germany) 7-6(5) 6-1
Jared Donaldson (U.S.) beat 3-Milos Raonic (Canada) walkover
5-Rafa Nadal (Spain) beat 26-Philipp Kohlschreiber (Germany) 0-6 6-2 6-3

 

[britbox]

2-Kei Nishikori (Japan) beat 25-Fernando Verdasco (Spain) 7-6(2) 6-7(5) 6-1

 

[britbox]

Donald Young (U.S.) beat Benoit Paire (France) 7-6(2) 6-4

 

[britbox]

Fabio Fognini (Italy) beat Jeremy Chardy (France) 3-6 6-4 6-4

 

[britbox]

13-Jack Sock (U.S.) beat Jiri Vesely (Czech Republic) 6-3 7-6(0)

 

[britbox]

5-Rafa Nadal (Spain) beat 26-Philipp Kohlschreiber (Germany) 0-6 6-2 6-3

 

[lacatch]

Moronic scheduling. They put RF vs. JMDP in the day :cry

Well, wasn't moronic IW schedule when Federer always was playing at night while others players were coocking under the sun?

Oh I missed that one one my post about why Fed won Indian Wells---only because he had it easy playing at night lol. Brava!

 

[britbox]

Order of Play - Monday

STADIUM start 11:00 am
WTA - [15] B. Strycova (CZE) vs [2] Ka. Pliskova (CZE)

Not Before 1:00 pm
WTA - [6] G. Muguruza (ESP) vs [12] C. Wozniacki (DEN)
ATP - [4] R. Federer (SUI) vs [29] J. del Potro (ARG)
ATP - [18] J. Isner (USA) vs [16] A. Zverev (GER)

Not Before 7:30 pm
ATP - [1] S. Wawrinka (SUI) vs M. Jaziri (TUN)

Not Before 9:00 pm
WTA - [11] V. Williams (USA) vs [7] S. Kuznetsova (RUS)

GRANDSTAND start 11:00 am
ATP - [10] T. Berdych (CZE) vs [24] G. Muller (LUX)
ATP - [22] S. Querrey (USA) vs [14] R. Bautista Agut (ESP)

Not Before 3:00 pm
WTA - [1] A. Kerber (GER) vs [Q] R. Ozaki (JPN)
ATP - [12] N. Kyrgios (AUS) vs [17] I. Karlovic (CRO)

Not Before 5:00 pm
ATP - D. Schwartzman (ARG) vs [8] D. Goffin (BEL)

COURT 1 start 11:00 am
WTA - L. Safarova (CZE) vs [4] D. Cibulkova (SVK)
ATP - A. Mannarino (FRA) vs B. Coric (CRO)
WTA - [26] M. Lucic-Baroni (CRO) vs [WC] B. Mattek-Sands (USA)
WTA - [10] J. Konta (GBR) vs L. Arruabarrena (ESP)
WTA - [3] S. Halep (ROU) vs [14] S. Stosur (AUS)

COURT 2 start 11:00 am
ATP - [6] L. Kubot (POL) / M. Melo (BRA) vs J. Rojer (NED) / H. Tecau (ROU)
ATP - B. Baker (USA) / D. Nestor (CAN) vs [2] P. Herbert (FRA) / N. Mahut (FRA)
WTA - [PR] A. Barty (AUS) / C. Dellacqua (AUS) vs [5] Y. Chan (TPE) / M. Hingis (SUI)
ATP - [1] H. Kontinen (FIN) / J. Peers (AUS) vs N. Monroe (USA) / J. Sock (USA)

COURT 7 start 1:00 pm
WTA - S. Aoyama (JPN) / Z. Yang (CHN) vs [4] A. Hlavackova (CZE) / S. Peng (CHN)
WTA-After Suitable Rest - [3] S. Mirza (IND) / B. Strycova (CZE) vs T. Babos (HUN) / A. Pavlyuchenkova (RUS)

 

[britbox]

Fed/Delpo in the second afternoon match.

 

[Carol]

Moronic scheduling. They put RF vs. JMDP in the day :cry

Well, wasn't moronic IW schedule when Federer always was playing at night while others players were coocking under the sun?

Oh I missed that one one my post about why Fed won Indian Wells---only because he had it easy playing at night lol. Brava!

You have said it, not me "lela"........bravo!!!!

 

[El Dude]

DYJR continues to win..but as always no love from this board..

What sort of love are you hoping to see? He's playing well, but is hardly a threat for the title. This is a guy who has never ranked higher than #38, and that was five years ago.

That said, this is his second Masters in a row that he's reached the fourth round (at least). He's never reached the fourth round of a Masters before. Who knows, maybe he's having a late peak.