itf/atp biological passport fully operational sept 2014

[GameSetAndMath]

Who said they weren't quality complaints? Some of the complaints were well reasoned and not all were made in public.

If you're prepared to use your real name and make unsubstantiated claims specifically directed toward a player and call them out as a doper - fine, I'll explain how you can set up a free site on wordpress.com which will allow you to do it and you'll also be able to carry the can if someone decides to take legal proceedings against you.

I don't agree with your second paragraph - it's been made clear that it was doping related. Calling someone out publically for being a cheat carries more responsibility than discussing how well somebody is playing.

And yes, there probably is a double standard in the Off Topic forum where there is greater flexibility on sensitive issues - but it's not a free for all either - there has been the odd thread in there that got out of control and ended up being moderated.

Principles of quality as you suggested at the end of your post DO come into it. There were back and forth accusations of trolling, racism, being anti-some player or another, bringing in other players names in retaliation etc.... Hardly up there in the quality department.

The bottom line is that it's been asked that posters do not to name specific players as doping cheats via speculation. It's a serious charge in the scheme of the sport. Other than that, I don't think anything else has changed.

Britbox. On behalf of any other forum members who feel the same way, my highest regards to you sir for the intelligent, smart, and decent way you have handled this situation. Your post above is another reason this is one of the best forums I have encountered. With very kind regards. LB.

Now back to our regularly scheduled programming.

Why are you spamming this thread on biological passports?

 

[Luxilon Borg]

Who said they weren't quality complaints? Some of the complaints were well reasoned and not all were made in public.

If you're prepared to use your real name and make unsubstantiated claims specifically directed toward a player and call them out as a doper - fine, I'll explain how you can set up a free site on wordpress.com which will allow you to do it and you'll also be able to carry the can if someone decides to take legal proceedings against you.

I don't agree with your second paragraph - it's been made clear that it was doping related. Calling someone out publically for being a cheat carries more responsibility than discussing how well somebody is playing.

And yes, there probably is a double standard in the Off Topic forum where there is greater flexibility on sensitive issues - but it's not a free for all either - there has been the odd thread in there that got out of control and ended up being moderated.

Principles of quality as you suggested at the end of your post DO come into it. There were back and forth accusations of trolling, racism, being anti-some player or another, bringing in other players names in retaliation etc.... Hardly up there in the quality department.

The bottom line is that it's been asked that posters do not to name specific players as doping cheats via speculation. It's a serious charge in the scheme of the sport. Other than that, I don't think anything else has changed.

Britbox. On behalf of any other forum members who feel the same way, my highest regards to you sir for the intelligent, smart, and decent way you have handled this situation. Your post above is another reason this is one of the best forums I have encountered. With very kind regards. LB.

Now back to our regularly scheduled programming.

Why are you spamming this thread on biological passports?

Just closing the book. Your countless whining posts were spammylicious. Your attempt to divert the attention from your self is a big fail. End of conversation about this, back on topic.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Who said they weren't quality complaints? Some of the complaints were well reasoned and not all were made in public.

If you're prepared to use your real name and make unsubstantiated claims specifically directed toward a player and call them out as a doper - fine, I'll explain how you can set up a free site on wordpress.com which will allow you to do it and you'll also be able to carry the can if someone decides to take legal proceedings against you.

I don't agree with your second paragraph - it's been made clear that it was doping related. Calling someone out publically for being a cheat carries more responsibility than discussing how well somebody is playing.

And yes, there probably is a double standard in the Off Topic forum where there is greater flexibility on sensitive issues - but it's not a free for all either - there has been the odd thread in there that got out of control and ended up being moderated.

Principles of quality as you suggested at the end of your post DO come into it. There were back and forth accusations of trolling, racism, being anti-some player or another, bringing in other players names in retaliation etc.... Hardly up there in the quality department.

The bottom line is that it's been asked that posters do not to name specific players as doping cheats via speculation. It's a serious charge in the scheme of the sport. Other than that, I don't think anything else has changed.

Britbox. On behalf of any other forum members who feel the same way, my highest regards to you sir for the intelligent, smart, and decent way you have handled this situation. Your post above is another reason this is one of the best forums I have encountered. With very kind regards. LB.

Now back to our regularly scheduled programming.

Why are you spamming this thread on biological passports?

Just closing the book. Your countless whining posts were spammylicious. Your attempt to divert the attention from your self is a big fail. End of conversation about this, back on topic.

Excuse me, what divert attention? If I wanted to divert attention why would I move
my concerns to forum questions chat thread, instead of keeping quiet?

 

[Luxilon Borg]

Who said they weren't quality complaints? Some of the complaints were well reasoned and not all were made in public.

If you're prepared to use your real name and make unsubstantiated claims specifically directed toward a player and call them out as a doper - fine, I'll explain how you can set up a free site on wordpress.com which will allow you to do it and you'll also be able to carry the can if someone decides to take legal proceedings against you.

I don't agree with your second paragraph - it's been made clear that it was doping related. Calling someone out publically for being a cheat carries more responsibility than discussing how well somebody is playing.

And yes, there probably is a double standard in the Off Topic forum where there is greater flexibility on sensitive issues - but it's not a free for all either - there has been the odd thread in there that got out of control and ended up being moderated.

Principles of quality as you suggested at the end of your post DO come into it. There were back and forth accusations of trolling, racism, being anti-some player or another, bringing in other players names in retaliation etc.... Hardly up there in the quality department.

The bottom line is that it's been asked that posters do not to name specific players as doping cheats via speculation. It's a serious charge in the scheme of the sport. Other than that, I don't think anything else has changed.

Britbox. On behalf of any other forum members who feel the same way, my highest regards to you sir for the intelligent, smart, and decent way you have handled this situation. Your post above is another reason this is one of the best forums I have encountered. With very kind regards. LB.

Now back to our regularly scheduled programming.

Why are you spamming this thread on biological passports?

Just closing the book. Your countless whining posts were spammylicious. Your attempt to divert the attention from your self is a big fail. End of conversation about this, back on topic.

Excuse me, what divert attention? If I wanted to divert attention why would I move
my concerns to forum questions chat thread, instead of keeping quiet?

Book closed. Discussion over.

 

[Billie]

Let's see who is going to be wiser and stop replying. Maybe we should ask admins for a prize for something like that. Whoever shows most restrain in cases like this, wins something.

 

[britbox]

OK, if this conversation can be continued on the Forum Questions thread it would be appreciated.

 

[Billie]

OK, if this conversation can be continued on the Forum Questions thread it would be appreciated.

I suggest you delete or move all these posts non related to JLLB's topic as he is going to be mad when he comes back and finds us all spamming his topic.:snigger

 

[Moxie]

OK, if this conversation can be continued on the Forum Questions thread it would be appreciated.

I suggest you delete or move all these posts non related to JLLB's topic as he is going to be mad when he comes back and finds us all spamming his topic.:snigger

And no one wants to incur the wrath of JLLB. The next thing you know there'll be some new weather lady in his avatar, making a sly joke against you that you don't quite get. It's one thing to be called out, but quite another to just wonder…. :laydownlaughing

(Actually, I love those weather-ladies. And we're just going to have to live with these comments, as I've had enough for deleting for one day. Not really our style.)

 

[Moxie]

no one likes spam..either in its original tinned form or its modern internet form.

this is sh1t. full of spam. no bloody good. whats the point of starting a thread ?. too much aggro.

Please don't be discouraged. I feel certain in my :heart: that we'll get back on topic. But there is no topic that is going to engender more bile and *spam* than the doping issue.

 

[Front242]

Secondly, as said repeatedly, the main offenders are no where near qualified to make certain assumptions and have no professional training.

You don't know the posters personally, you don't know their backgrounds or what they do to even make such a ridiculous statement. One poster works for the ATP, there are others with medical degrees.

You're in the same swamp of those that say they're 110% sure "so and so" is doping. :snigger

actually, wrong. I specifically asked one poster who I consider a main offender and he clearly admitted he had NO medical degree, NO pharma degree, and NO professional training experience.

You realize David Walsh is a sport´s journalist and not a doctor or pharmacist but hey, guess who busted Lance Armstrong.

 

[Front242]

Very good video with Abby Hoffman talking about the IAAF (International Association of Athletics Federation) anti-doping program. A lot of stuff you could relate to any sport. Talking about the biological passport here too and 15 athletes have been caught based on retesting. Samples are kept for 8 years, soon to be extended to 10. Just 'cos someone tests clean in 2005 doesn't mean they can't be retroactively given a negative retest. In-competition testing is the tip of the iceberg. As with any sport like tennis, the bulk of drug abuse is out of competition so testing needs to be done properly there.

[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=3g4KRyABhPA[/video]

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

yes..thanks, v interesting.

she mentioned Tyson gay getting a reduced ban from 2years down to 1yr like I did, but the good news is the 4yr ban is coming in January 2015. in IAAF at least. (tennis ??).

is the ITF/ATP tennis bio passport going to be inspecting tests from years ago like the IAAF are doing in this vid ?..or is it just since march 2013 when they started the blood marker tracting of tests which are now nearly 100% up and running.

 

[Front242]

I'd hope they'll be retesting because Federer has said he wants samples kept for 8 years (should push for 10) but till I hear it happening I doubt they will. The problem again is the ITF. If WADA did the testing then tennis would get a major overhaul.

 

[Kieran]

Why only 8 years? Why can't these things be kept a lot longer? So, if the technology catches up in 20 years, they nab them?

I think everyone here is in agreement, the ITF shouldn't be in charge of cleaning their own gaff. WADA should be doing this. There's enough money in tennis to outsource the policing...

 

[tented]

I'd hope they'll be retesting because Federer has said he wants samples kept for 8 years (should push for 10) but till I hear it happening I doubt they will. The problem again is the ITF. If WADA did the testing then tennis would get a major overhaul.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=wC871hNBig4#t=69

Well, if Federer wants it ...

 

[House]

Front, is there anything that can be bought and swallowed to help Federer? He shows an incredible desire and endurance at the top of the sport. Other greats were gone through exhaustion or required hiatus during their times at the top. I remember Pete skipped Oz in January 1999 because he was feeling the effects of burn out. Federer played through mono, winning matches, including a near five hour battle with Tipsy in the heat in Oz.

Two days later he was fresh as a fiddle in dispatching Berdy in straights.

Is there anything that can help a chap this way?

I ask because I know you're a fair chap and you're in no way insinuating all this stuff just because Rafa is closing in on "17..."

Of course there is something everyone can take when did I ever say he was exempt? Never. He doesn't, however, show incredible endurance as you claim. Nor does he show mad concentration either. His performance at the tail end of matches is shocking for a long time now and in all the masters losses this year his game has gone completely awol so if he's taking anything for focus it's clearly not working!

It's long been the case that if he plays a tough match in a slam, he's got nothing left in the next. That is not comparable with others. Berdych has his days where he's good against anyone but as you see he lost to Lu today so that says it all about his consistency.

Well, I beg to differ, in fact. Scan it differently: he's 33 and he's played 59 majors in succession, that's already quite remarkable, doubly so given that he went deep in all but about 2 of them, and even more so considering that he's second favourite going into the US Open, after reaching the Wimbledon final recently.

He's never been lower than #8 in the last 12 years, and he's currently ranked #3. I'm sorry, but he's quite exceptional for a 33 year old. Isn't he? Or do you know of any others that compare?

And he's shown in the past great mental toughness, and I've already shown a stupendous physical resilience, which was shown when he played under the effects of mono - and reached a slam semi. He played almost 5 hours against Tipsy in Oz - and came back two days later as fit as a flea on a mangy dog.

Some recovery time, right? Noteworthy, surely, if it had been a Spaniard. But not even discussed in relation to Roger.

In the interests of fairness, perhaps you'll post some links that would show us what could be "bought and swallowed", to keep a player at such a level...

If this post referenced a "Spaniard" as much as it referenced a Swiss, it would be deleted and sent to Guantanamo so fast your head would spin lol.

Is the "don't name players by name" rule only effective if it starts with an R and ends with an L?

 

[Kieran]

If this post referenced a "Spaniard" as much as it referenced a Swiss, it would be deleted and sent to Guantanamo so fast your head would spin lol.

Is the "don't name players by name" rule only effective if it starts with an R and ends with an L?

First off, the rule came in after this post.

Secondly, the point of my post was to show the double standards in picking Spaniards only, in order to slur one particular Spaniard (starts with an R, ends with an L) and ignoring exceptional bouts of stamina in others (starts with an R and ends with an R). If there's to be a line of "inquiry" - which consists of only lies, misinformation and malice - then at least let's be equal opportunity in this.

I believe that Federer and Nadal operate with the same levels of integrity and cleanliness within the sport, and should be respected as such...

 

[Moxie]

Thirdly, I'm not sure why those posts weren't deleted, either, but it was quite a slog to go through them. I'm rather surprised @House, that you, of all people, would come out of the woodwork to call it back out and continue the spamming of this thread.

Can we please go back to the point of the passport, or at least divert ourselves with the amusing notion that the Canadian authority on it is called Abby Hoffmann?

 

[House]

If this post referenced a "Spaniard" as much as it referenced a Swiss, it would be deleted and sent to Guantanamo so fast your head would spin lol.

Is the "don't name players by name" rule only effective if it starts with an R and ends with an L?

First off, the rule came in after this post.

Secondly, the point of my post was to show the double standards in picking Spaniards only, in order to slur one particular Spaniard (starts with an R, ends with an L) and ignoring exceptional bouts of stamina in others (starts with an R and ends with an R). If there's to be a line of "inquiry" - which consists of only lies, misinformation and malice - then at least let's be equal opportunity in this.

I believe that Federer and Nadal operate with the same levels of integrity and cleanliness within the sport, and should be respected as such...

Haha and all references to the aforementioned posts were deleted except for your response. I thought it was funny.

You know a lot of you used to be a lot more easy going, before this era of defensiveness started.

 

[House]

Thirdly, I'm not sure why those posts weren't deleted, either, but it was quite a slog to go through them. I'm rather surprised @House, that you, of all people, would come out of the woodwork to call it back out and continue the spamming of this thread.

Can we please go back to the point of the passport, or at least divert ourselves with the amusing notion that the Canadian authority on it is called Abby Hoffmann?

You're joking right? I'm spamming because I quoted a post, that already existed in this thread, and apparently survived the pruning of other spam posts, because I thought it was funny how it existed after the Mod hammer came down on this thread?

You understand how ridiculous that is right?

Not to mention that my post was just joking to begin with.