itf/atp biological passport fully operational sept 2014

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

^^thanks, I cannot seem to change any info in the voting options, the 4th option needs altering if you are able to change it at all ?. change it to..

good but it won't make any difference as the atp/itf will find ways to lose/hide results of positive tests (silent ban?)

 

[tented]

^^thanks, I cannot seem to change any info in the voting options, the 4th option needs altering if you are able to change it at all ?. change it to..

good but it won't make any difference as the atp/itf will find ways to lose/hide results of positive tests (silent ban?)

Done!

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

say hello to my leeeetle thread.

 

[Front242]

Meanwhile, in the UK...

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/34653817

 

[Kieran]

It should be a criminal offence! It's fraud, and theft. If a top player is doping, he's stealing from others, and defrauding the sport. If others are complicit in letting them, they should also be tried. Pro-sports are too rich nowadays, so much prize money, that of course there's a crime being committed when these prizes are won by illegal means. And it shouldn't just be the athlete who faces prosecution, but also their team, and any members of the ATP executive and board who'd be found complicit in covering stuff up.

It's a no-brainer and it's long overdue...

 

[Kirijax]

I'll admit I've maybe turned a blind eye myself concerning this. It would tear me apart to see tennis end up like cycling has. Does anyone take that sport seriously anymore? But if there is a problem in tennis, gotta get it cleaned up. Maybe every professional sport will have its own clean up period like baseball and cycling.

 

[tented]

Meanwhile, in the UK...

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/34653817

Thanks for posting this, Front.

I agree with Kieran: this is fraud. It's criminal, and should be treated as such.

Should we start an online petition to get the ATP to turn the testing over to WADA? There are sites such as change.org which we could use.

 

[Front242]

Would certainly be huge if WADA took over the testing. Might be worth a try!

 

[tented]

Why would the ITF have decreased the number of in-competition tests from 364 (in 2013) to 207 (in 2014)?

Sure, the number of out-of-competition samples collected increased from 593 to 1,439, which is in the right direction, but the in-competition decrease makes no sense.

 

[Front242]

Yup, absolutely beyond comprehension. With dopers in every sport one step ahead of the testers it's beyond a joke to decrease any testing. Something needs to be done.

 

[tented]

Yup, absolutely beyond comprehension. With dopers in every sport one step ahead of the testers it's beyond a joke to decrease any testing. Something needs to be done.

Also, why was the high point only 364 tests? There are how many thousands of players, playing how many thousands of matches per year, in how many dozens and dozens of tournaments?

This is a sport which is known to have up to 5 tournaments going at once (between the ATP and the WTA), but they were testing at their peak an average of one player per day? That's indefensible.

 

[Kieran]

Federer has been president of the ATP players council so many times. I wonder why that council hasn't taken the lead in this?

 

[Riotbeard]

I'll admit I've maybe turned a blind eye myself concerning this. It would tear me apart to see tennis end up like cycling has. Does anyone take that sport seriously anymore? But if there is a problem in tennis, gotta get it cleaned up. Maybe every professional sport will have its own clean up period like baseball and cycling.

I actually think Tennis would look good, if the governing bodies took initiative and did it themselves. Other sports have gotten black eyes, because it comes out as a scandal and evidence of corruption, not the sport taking responsibility for itself.

 

[tented]

I'll admit I've maybe turned a blind eye myself concerning this. It would tear me apart to see tennis end up like cycling has. Does anyone take that sport seriously anymore? But if there is a problem in tennis, gotta get it cleaned up. Maybe every professional sport will have its own clean up period like baseball and cycling.

I actually think Tennis would look good, if the governing bodies took initiative and did it themselves. Other sports have gotten black eyes, because it comes out as a scandal and evidence of corruption, not the sport taking responsibility for itself.

I can't think of another eyes-related metaphor, but I'll respond anyway.

I agree that the positives of taking the initiative make it worthwhile. If tennis follows the paths of cycling or baseball, it could cause irreparable damage. They need to keep an eye on this ... hey, I thought of one!

 

[Kieran]

Aye! :snicker

 

[GameSetAndMath]

I had a dream last night in which ATP banned PRP therapies. Do normal people get such dreams? Does this mean I should stop following tennis for a while?

 

[GameSetAndMath]

So, Now that they discovered state sponsored doping by Russian Athletes, how do you guys think it will affect tennis situation. Are there Russian tennis players who are also sponsored by states.
How about other states indulging in the same thing? Let us talk.

 

[Kieran]

So, Now that they discovered state sponsored doping by Russian Athletes, how do you guys think it will affect tennis situation. Are there Russian tennis players who are also sponsored by states.
How about other states indulging in the same thing? Let us talk.

Well, firstly, this kind of doping program is typical of the Russians, and their reaction is depressingly typical too. Aggressively lying about it and trying to bluster their way out of it. State sanctioned BS, which goes all the way to the top of their corrupt steaming pile.

I think a lot of young Russian girls left to train in the USA, which also has a huge doping problem in athletics, but it would be difficult to define them as being involved in any of that. As for "other states indulging in the same thing", this level of stuff was always found in Commie places like East Germany, Russia, China. If other states are involved, we can only hope that they'll be caught.

But this report threw up even more morsels of delight, including the depressing news that WADA themselves have to take some of the blame, after it was shown that they were “unduly tentative” to act in certain countries. This is the tough part of the job and I don't envy them: athletics brings honour and prestige to dodgy regimes like Putin's, and the pressure being put on everybody is huge. The report states that athletes were pressured by the state to take drugs: “cases where athletes who did not want to participate in ‘the programme’ were informed they would not be considered as part of the federation’s national team”.

It's a big news story, although it doesn't surprise anyone.... :nono

 

[Front242]

Don't forget Spain and Italy along with Germany, Russia, China.

 

[tented]

The report states that athletes were pressured by the state to take drugs: “cases where athletes who did not want to participate in ‘the programme’ were informed they would not be considered as part of the federation’s national team”.

This behavior is particularly egregious -- putting athletes in a no-win situation. Even if they want to do the right thing, they can't. They either have to quit the sport or risk the physiological and/or psychological ramifications of doping.

It begs the question how many of their athletes were doping in Sochi, but WADA looked away.