Covid vaccine - opinions?

[Kieran]

Reading comments on local forums and also people I work with and know outside work it's all vaccinated and boosted people catching Omicron. A vaccine made multiple mutations before the current variant is like giving someone a vaccine for a flu strain for 2019 in 2022, hence why it's doing absolutely sfa for stopping transmission. I know people who went to packed pubs and every single one of them in the group of 20 + were boosted and caught Omicron. It's crap and it's also not needed except for a select few at this stage given how weak the virus has become.

In fairness in our country, we’re about 94% vaccinated/recovered, so there’s a bigger pool to draw from with vaccinated people catching it. But even at 94% the overfed bureaucrats are sniffing around the idea of mandatory vaccinations. It’s kind of typical of Irish politics that these people would come to the issue late. Generally our leaders all lead from behind, licking the wind to see which way it’s blowing. But in this, they’re looking at other countries for their lead, and not the Irish people.

These same bureaucrats told us that if we got about 70-80% of the country vaccinated, it would be enough, and all restrictions would be eased. I don’t blame them for not having a clue what they’re talking about, Pfizer and the pharmaceutical companies producing the vaccines didn’t understand the vaccine they produced, but I blame them for not having the humility to approach these things with caution. They’d bring more people along with them if they did..

 

[MikeOne]

It’s a LIE that unvaccinated people are a public health threat. Nadal and kyrgios were vaccinated and they got covid, vaccinated people are spreading it..

Facts don’t seem to matter anymoe

not being vaccinated is a threat to oneself as you can get sicker but vaccinated or not, you can still catch it and spread it

the whole thing is absurd, people have lost reason.

again, this is Australia’s fault, djokovic followed the rules but people within australia messed up

 

[10isfan]

It’s a LIE that unvaccinated people are a public health threat. Nadal and kyrgios were vaccinated and they got covid, vaccinated people are spreading it..

Facts don’t seem to matter anymoe

not being vaccinated is a threat to oneself as you can get sicker but vaccinated or not, you can still catch it and spread it

the whole thing is absurd, people have lost reason.

again, this is Australia’s fault, djokovic followed the rules but people within australia messed uppp

The reason why unvaccinated people are a health hazard is because they are generally the ones who get sick enough to need hospitalization. They are taking up hospital beds and preventing others are getting the care they need.

 

[Front242]

In fairness in our country, we’re about 94% vaccinated/recovered, so there’s a bigger pool to draw from with vaccinated people catching it. But even at 94% the overfed bureaucrats are sniffing around the idea of mandatory vaccinations. It’s kind of typical of Irish politics that these people would come to the issue late. Generally our leaders all lead from behind, licking the wind to see which way it’s blowing. But in this, they’re looking at other countries for their lead, and not the Irish people.

These same bureaucrats told us that if we got about 70-80% of the country vaccinated, it would be enough, and all restrictions would be eased. I don’t blame them for not having a clue what they’re talking about, Pfizer and the pharmaceutical companies producing the vaccines didn’t understand the vaccine they produced, but I blame them for not having the humility to approach these things with caution. They’d bring more people along with them if they did..

94% 5 over 12 I believe and 77% for the country as a whole but the majority remaining are kids under 12 and it's a disgrace vaccinating them imo unless they're severely immunocompromised. Zero long term health data whatsoever. Bad enough for adults based on that fact but imagine the guilt of making your kids sick.

https://www.google.com/search?q=how...4AIABZIgBtQuSAQQyMS4xmAEAoAEB&sclient=gws-wiz

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

The reason why unvaccinated people are a health hazard is because they are generally the ones who get sick enough to need hospitalization. They are taking up hospital beds and preventing others are getting the care they need.

As I work in ICU with COVID patients most of them are unvaccinated,few with underlying issues,most have not underlying issues

 

[Front242]

Israel reported their highest ever number of cases recently, highest yesterday. That ought to tell people the current vaccines do sfa against Omicron...
Highly vaxxed country. Conclusion is obvious. Poor old grouchy Fauci...

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• 30,970 new cases and 1 new death in Israel [source]

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• 22,829 new cases and 2 new deaths in Israel [source]

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• 21,931 new cases and 2 new deaths in Israel [source]

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• 18,877 new cases and 1 new death in Israel [source]

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• 18,366 new cases and 3 new deaths in Israel [source]

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/israel/

 

[tented]

Israel reported their highest ever number of cases recently, highest yesterday. That ought to tell people the current vaccines do sfa against Omicron...

But that’s to be expected, right, since it’s a variant which surfaced since the vaccines were developed?

 

[Front242]

But that’s to be expected, right, since it’s a variant which surfaced since the vaccines were developed?

Well the way they try so hard to push these on everyone, even so far as mandating it then surely the world needs to wake up. Massive case numbers even among boosted people. I equate those boosters to a clothes store having an end of year sale trying to get rid of their leftover crap from the previous year which is exactly the case here. Countries bought this crap and they have to get rid of it now. Hence, push, push, push. Censor "misinformation" (that isn't misinformation at all), control the media and narrative that these things supposedly do something for everyone when in reality they serve very little purpose other than for a very select cohort. It's shameful and needs to stop but they'll milk this cash cow a lot longer. Omicron boosters I'd imagine by April and they're already ramping up fear about a new winter variant when the likelihood is this virus is getting weaker and weaker by the minute. Our scumbag leaders are promising a "summer of freedom" meaning they're already planning to remove all our rights again in winter, especially the dirty leper unvaxxed who may not even have covid. Shameful.

 

[tented]

Omicron boosters I'd imagine by April and they're already ramping up fear about a new winter variant when the likelihood is this virus is getting weaker and weaker by the minute.

So my point stands: it’s understandable the current vaccines don’t do anything about omicron since it surfaced after the vaccines were developed.

 

[Kieran]

Well the way they try so hard to push these on everyone, even so far as mandating it then surely the world needs to wake up. Massive case numbers even among boosted people. I equate those boosters to a clothes store having an end of year sale trying to get rid of their leftover crap from the previous year which is exactly the case here. Countries bought this crap and they have to get rid of it now. Hence, push, push, push. Censor "misinformation" (that isn't misinformation at all), control the media and narrative that these things supposedly do something for everyone when in reality they serve very little purpose other than for a very select cohort. It's shameful and needs to stop but they'll milk this cash cow a lot longer. Omicron boosters I'd imagine by April and they're already ramping up fear about a new winter variant when the likelihood is this virus is getting weaker and weaker by the minute. Our scumbag leaders are promising a "summer of freedom" meaning they're already planning to remove all our rights again in winter, especially the dirty leper unvaxxed who may not even have covid. Shameful.

Our NPHET blokes are starting to whisper about mandates, though generously the honcho in charge - who scandalously earns more than Biden, which is both ridiculous, and typical of this country - has said that they don't want to pursue it without the backing of the public. The reaction on social media has been a backlash, since attraction for the vaccine is waning almost as quickly as the vaccine itself wanes, but also because Omicron seems like a friend to the family almost, and as virus variants go, this one is the grooviest one, the chilled one, the one you'd bring home to meet mammy (though maybe not granny)...

 

[Kieran]

So my point stands: it’s understandable the current vaccines don’t do anything about omicron since it surfaced after the vaccines were developed.

I suppose the issue with Omicron and the vaccine is, that if the vaccine is less effective, then why are they still pushing it? If natural immunity is sifficient in most cases, isn't it time to scale back the vaccine push? But I think the vaccines will still have an effect on Omicron, I don't think they're a total loss there. But I agree with former head of vaccination policy in the UK who said it's now time to start living with Covid, and stop vaccinating. Of course, people might still take the vaccine for their own good, which is great.

 

[Front242]

So my point stands: it’s understandable the current vaccines don’t do anything about omicron since it surfaced after the vaccines were developed.

Yup, like a flu strain vaccine from 1976 being given to willing dopes in 2022, it's about as much good as Oleg McNoLeg's chances in the NYC marathon.

 

[tented]

I suppose the issue with Omicron and the vaccine is, that if the vaccine is less effective, then why are they still pushing it? If natural immunity is sifficient in most cases, isn't it time to scale back the vaccine push? But I think the vaccines will still have an effect on Omicron, I don't think they're a total loss there. But I agree with former head of vaccination policy in the UK who said it's now time to start living with Covid, and stop vaccinating. Of course, people might still take the vaccine for their own good, which is great.

Sure, if the vaccines aren’t effective against Omicron — for whatever reason(s) — there’s no need to push them.

I have given thought lately to the effect the vaccines have on natural immunity, and whether or not we’re inadvertently engaged in a form of self-harm. It’s not completely analogous, but it’s similar to the overuse of antibiotics. People are becoming immune to them, which is presenting problems.

One of my doctor-friends deliberately took his son (when he was a toddler) to people’s houses when he found out someone was sick in order to force his son’s immune system to “learn” from it. I’m seriously not making this up. At the time, when he first told me he was doing this, I thought it was bordering on child abuse, but the more I listened to him, the more I came to understand what he was doing.

 

[Kieran]

Sure, if the vaccines aren’t effective against Omicron — for whatever reason(s) — there’s no need to push them.

I have given thought lately to the effect the vaccines have on natural immunity, and whether or not we’re inadvertently engaged in a form of self-harm. It’s not completely analogous, but it’s similar to the overuse of antibiotics. People are becoming immune to them, which is presenting problems.

One of my doctor-friends deliberately took his son (when he was a toddler) to people’s houses when he found out someone was sick in order to force his son’s immune system to “learn” from it. I’m seriously not making this up. At the time, when he first told me he was doing this, I thought it was bordering on child abuse, but the more I listened to him, the more I came to understand what he was doing.

It’s a good point. I have a friend in Denver, she said her 5 year old niece gets a flu jab. I didn’t say anything but I was shocked. A 5 year old getting a flu jab? It’s not just over medication, it’s a form of abuse. I can understand what your friend was doing too. Our immunity develops through facing things, and it’s a good point you make, that over-use of medicines can make them less effective…

 

[Front242]

Sure, if the vaccines aren’t effective against Omicron — for whatever reason(s) — there’s no need to push them.

I have given thought lately to the effect the vaccines have on natural immunity, and whether or not we’re inadvertently engaged in a form of self-harm. It’s not completely analogous, but it’s similar to the overuse of antibiotics. People are becoming immune to them, which is presenting problems.

One of my doctor-friends deliberately took his son (when he was a toddler) to people’s houses when he found out someone was sick in order to force his son’s immune system to “learn” from it. I’m seriously not making this up. At the time, when he first told me he was doing this, I thought it was bordering on child abuse, but the more I listened to him, the more I came to understand what he was doing.

Long term jabs will most definitely screw people's immune systems up or worse. It's common sense but it's amazing how many people out there are willing to take these forever more even multiple times per year, for different variants etc. Insane in the membrane. Got no brain, clearly fuckin' insane. Cypress Hill remix there. Imagine some people in Israel have now had 4 (!) of these in 1 year. The boosters also begin waning after just 10 weeks which is pathetic but a convenient cash cow for constant jabs and money for Pfizer et al.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/23/world/middleeast/israel-vaccine-4th-dose.html

"But some scientists warned that the plan could backfire, because too many shots might cause a sort of immune system fatigue, compromising the body’s ability to fight the coronavirus. A few members of the government’s advisory panel raised that concern with respect to the elderly, according to a written summary of the discussion obtained by The New York Times."

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...shots-risk-overloading-immune-system-ema-says

"European Union regulators warned that frequent Covid-19 booster shots could adversely affect the immune system and may not be feasible.

Repeat booster doses every four months could eventually weaken the immune system and tire out people, according to the European Medicines Agency. Instead, countries should leave more time between booster programs and tie them to the onset of the cold season in each hemisphere, following the blueprint set out by influenza vaccination strategies, the agency said."

 

[Front242]

They're gonna destroy the immune systems of the very people these are supposed to protect and mostly for money. It's just plain wrong. We'll see a large amount of younger people with compromised immune systems within the next decade too but they'll just turn a blind eye and won't blame the vaxx for ruining their immune systems if they die of auto immune disease, heart attack, cancer, etc. Correlation never = causation with these corrupt pharma companies after all and there's a reason they have no liability/indemnity. Them becoming rich and living in a 5 star Maldives palace trumps people's health. Healthy people never made these companies a cent and they know it.

 

[Moxie]

Sure, if the vaccines aren’t effective against Omicron — for whatever reason(s) — there’s no need to push them.

I have given thought lately to the effect the vaccines have on natural immunity, and whether or not we’re inadvertently engaged in a form of self-harm. It’s not completely analogous, but it’s similar to the overuse of antibiotics. People are becoming immune to them, which is presenting problems.

One of my doctor-friends deliberately took his son (when he was a toddler) to people’s houses when he found out someone was sick in order to force his son’s immune system to “learn” from it. I’m seriously not making this up. At the time, when he first told me he was doing this, I thought it was bordering on child abuse, but the more I listened to him, the more I came to understand what he was doing.

That is actually the old way of inoculation. My grandmother was a nurse, way back in the old days. Before there was a rubella vaccine, (what they used to call German measles,) they used to take kids to the house of a kid that had it, particularly girls, and lay them right in the bed with the sick kid, one after the other, and let them get it. While there was no vaccination at the time, they did already understand that it was much more dangerous to get it later in life, especially for women, as they knew it could cause birth defects if pregnant women got it.

I'm not sure if the analogy with overuse of antibiotics works, (because what do we know, yet?) but it is worth thinking about. For example, it's now no longer worth getting rubella, because there's a vaccine against it. And it's still dangerous, even to children. I THINK, personally, that covid vaccines will become like flu vaccines, as in they can help, but they might miss a strain. I'm with Kieran that I think the current covid vaccine that we are taking is of some use against Omicron, even if not completely preventative. That is my opinion. I'd be willing to take an annual covid vaccine, along with, or as part of my annual flu vaccine. Though, while I do have friends that will take every jab they develop for each new strain, I am not in that camp. To me, that feels like we might just keep trying to shut the barn door after the horses have escaped. I'm ready to go with a generalized formula, as the science evolves, and do it once a year. Then just live with whatever happens. I am inclined to believe/hope that covid is leveling off/evolving into a generally mild flu. But for now, while it does really still kill people, (and I think it does,) I'm fine to observe the protocols. It's no skin off my a$s to do it.

 

[Moxie]

Here's something that might make Front, Kieran, @El Dude and @britbox happy: I heard a local report the other day that said, of Covid hospitalizations in NYC, 50% were "with" Covid, not "from" Covid, citing drug overdoses and car accidents as examples. (Actually, I have the radio on, and they just reiterated that, about not "from" but "with," as people get tested when they are admitted to the hospital. That doesn't mean that there are not still serious Covid cases and deaths here, in NYC, and all are increasing. However, I thought some might be pleased to hear that there is some attempt to distinguish, within the numbers.

 

[kskate2]

Something to keep in mind about the vaccines is their effectiveness against what I call the "killers": the original strain and the Delta. The Delta is still out there, but has peaked already. The first 2 shots were a help to curb the 2 dangerous strains. Omicron is less lethal. Not even the booster is going to keep you from transmitting it or getting the flu-like symptoms as it wasn't designed to deal w/ the new strain. I would only recommend the booster for immune compromised adults who feel the need to have that extra shot.

 

[Front242]

I agree except that delta was only more lethal to the same cohorts as right now. It wasn't one bit lethal for the majority of the planet. It's good though that Omicron doesn't really do anything to the lungs though some get a slight cough but the coughs are nothing like prior strains. All the people I know with Omicron have had either 2 vaccines and many are boosted also which makes me wonder why they'd choose to pollute their bodies for nothing and still end up getting covid anyway. I'm not talking elderly people but work colleagues and friends. Elderly and immunocompromised should probably take them and most will for peace of mind though I've a friend whose mum is 73 and she doesn't want to take any vaccine and she's perfectly fine and healthy.

The answer of course where I live is these people all got theirs mostly because of government scaremongering and coercion because it was the only way they'd get to go to pubs, cafés, restaurants, clubs and avail of flying with no PCR test. All have proven utter failures now given the transmission levels of vaxxed and boosted and yet the governments globally still keep pushing them 'cos they need to sell off all their leftovers and soon in mere months we'll probably have Omicron boosters. Insanity imo. There's no vaccine for the common cold for a very simple reason, no one made any that work. We all get colds. I can't see why healthy young people would keep taking these for any other reason other than the coercive covid passes to give them back their "freedom" which is hardly freedom. "Show me your paypahs and take your medicine for ze glory of ze empire!". This is NOT freedom. It's freedumb.