Covid vaccine - opinions?

Will you take the vaccine when it is available to you?

  • I will take the vaccine

    Votes: 12 70.6%
  • I don't trust the vaccine

    Votes: 4 23.5%
  • Don't know enough yet

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Thrilled there is a vaccine...it feels like there is light at the end of the tunnel

    Votes: 4 23.5%
  • I'll wait to see how it works for others

    Votes: 2 11.8%

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I agree except that delta was only more lethal to the same cohorts as right now. It wasn't one bit lethal for the majority of the planet. It's good though that Omicron doesn't really do anything to the lungs though some get a slight cough but the coughs are nothing like prior strains. All the people I know with Omicron have had either 2 vaccines and many are boosted also which makes me wonder why they'd choose to pollute their bodies for nothing and still end up getting cvid anyway. I'm not talking elderly people but work colleagues and friends. Elderly and immunocompromised should probably take them and most will for peace of mind though I've a friend whose mum is 73 and she doesn't want to take any vaccine and she's perfectly fine and healthy.
Yeah, my concern is my asthma. It’s not the worst version, but I have had to go the emergency room because my oxygen intake was below 20%. That makes me concerned about getting a virus which attacks the lungs, hence my opting for the vaccines.
 

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Yeah, my concern is my asthma. It’s not the worst version, but I have had to go the emergency room because my oxygen intake was below 20%. That makes me concerned about getting a virus which attacks the lungs, hence my opting for the vaccines.
Definitely would in that case as who knows how future strains will go. It's not usual for them to become more virulent but it's possible as we get worse flu strains some years and just 'cos Omicron is mild doesn't mean a new strain won't be harsher on the lungs. Glad you're ok.

Hopefully covid will continue to get weaker and weaker and the world can get back to normal soon but I've a feeling things will never be normal again.
 
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The reason why unvaccinated people are a health hazard is because they are generally the ones who get sick enough to need hospitalization. They are taking up hospital beds and preventing others are getting the care they need.
Only if they're elderly, seriously overweight or immunocompromised and possibly can't take a covid vaccine for that reason. The notion that healthy unvaccinated people are taking up hospital beds needs to stop 'cos this is utter bs and the world has gone mad. I'm unvaxxed and my wife currently has covid as does my 8 month old baby boy. Both are thankfully fine but I didn't catch it at all from either of them despite holding our baby boy all the time and giving him hugs and kisses all the time. Their antigen tests went positive in 3 seconds. I've taken 6 and all negative and not taking anymore 'cos I'm not catching it from them at this stage. Most people I know who have caught covid are either double vaxxed or triple vaxxed. Here's why the majority are catching covid and it's nothing to do with vaccination status either. Low vitamin D. Check the case study link below. My wife's vitamin d is extremely low and was critically low at one point. Mine is sky high and I also take NAC twice daily. NAC has been touted as so good at boosting the immune system and preventing covid that the corrupt FDA removed it from many stores and are trying to make it prescription only. Unvaxxed since covid started and healthy immune system and never caught it. Just got another award for the 7th straight year of no sick days in my current job. Been out of work 5 days in 23 years, once for a sore back from a crap chair in the last job and 2 days from 24 hour vomitting bug that everyone gets at some point. Other 2 were from food poisoning on holiday in Thailand and came back and stayed off 2 days as a result. People who choose to get vaxxed for this the rest of their lives are risking turning their immune systems to mush and some are probably finding they're already going that way given the massive amounts of vaxxed/boosted sick. 3 vaxx (4 now for elderly in Israel) in under 1 year cannot be good for your immune system at all. I don't take the flu vaccine either and never had the flu. Not anti vaccine either and have taken hep a and b shots to go to Asia and other properly tested vaccines which these are not. I completely respect anyone's choice to take the covid vaccines btw but the unvaxxed are most definitely not the bad guys. If you're elderly, seriously overweight or immunocompromised you still have way more chance of going to hospital than a healthy unvaxxed person and that's a fact.

https://www.healthline.com/health-n...of-covid-19-patients-were-vitamin-d-deficient
 
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Hopefully covid will continue to get weaker and weaker and the world can get back to normal soon but I've a feeling things will never be normal again.

This! I have the same concerns and desires: wanting the damn thing to be over, yet suspecting this is going to be with us forever.

Imagine rolling back the clock to the fall of 2019, knowing what we know now. How many things we would do over. Or imagine it’s October 2019, and someone from the future appears to tell us a virus is going to emerge soon which will be with us the rest of our lives. How scary that would be.

By chance, I had just watched the film “Contagion” about a week or two before I first heard someone say “COVID-19”, in early 2020. I immediately had scenes from the movie playing through my head: massive deaths, the virus spreading at light speed, civil unrest, and eventually basic societal norms all breaking down. Fortunately it didn’t turn out that way!
 

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I agree with most of this. I’m horrified that young people are being pushed to vaccinate for Covid. I’m a pro vaxxer because protein subunit vaccines have been proven to be safe over many decades. There is no such data on the mRNA vaccines. People younger than 55 who have no known risk factors and a family history of longevity should not vaccinate. Everyone over 60 should. I do believe in masking whenever possible.

This has nothing to do with Djoke. Whatever his beliefs, he should have respected the rules of Australia and not bullied into the country. He should have sat out and committed to winning another major elsewhere.
I'm 100% fine wearing masks where I'm told I have to. I'm 47 and only issues I've had over the years have been kidney stones, quite possibly from eating a lot of protein when I was a gym nut. I still would be only for 2 kids and decided to give it up to spend more time with them but try and walk 5 miles most days and more in summer, sometimes double or more. Now it's just walking and press ups. Big enough house but either tiles or engineered wood/laminate flooring in the house so only way to put weights on that is reinforced rubber mats and still bit a bit wary of the kids hurting themselves with them when they're older. No garden shed as I didn't want to obscure the garden but actually wanted a garden room to make into a cool gym but the wife was having none of it :( I'll have to make a comeback to the gym in the near future though for sure when they're a bit older. Big into weights for around 23 years or so and just stopped 2 years ago 'cos I was getting home at 8:30/9pm 3, sometimes 4 days of the week and my then 3.5 year old (now 5.5) was asleep so I quit to spend more time with him and went for a walk with him and his scooter most days after work. Handy part about working from home in these current times and hoping we get another few months out of it.

Agree people over 60 should take covid vaccines and I actually think the Novavax one that took ages to come on the scene sounds a lot safer. One could argue they're a bit late on the scene but you could also assume it's been tested better. Still no need for it for me, mind you and remains to be seen if they'll go down the same route of endless boosters. Ironic name given we were discussing Novak/NoVaxx DjokCOVID! :lol6:

That's the thing alright, while I don't agree with Australia and similar countries harsh stance on covid, if that's what the locals have to put up with, then he should respect that but if he genuinely had covid recently then he poses even less risk than a vaccinated person who could catch covid at any stage (Nadal and Kyrgios just recently, for example) whereas he's not likely to catch it again for quite some time, so in that respect, Australia's rules are totally unscientific.
 
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This! I have the same concerns and desires: wanting the damn thing to be over, yet suspecting this is going to be with us forever.

Imagine rolling back the clock to the fall of 2019, knowing what we know now. How many things we would do over. Or imagine it’s October 2019, and someone from the future appears to tell us a virus is going to emerge soon which will be with us the rest of our lives. How scary that would be.

By chance, I had just watched the film “Contagion” about a week or two before I first heard someone say “COVID-19”, in early 2020. I immediately had scenes from the movie playing through my head: massive deaths, the virus spreading at light speed, civil unrest, and eventually basic societal norms all breaking down. Fortunately it didn’t turn out that way!
I enjoyed that film and funny that it came out in 2011 as it really seemed like it was made to cash in on covid. Let's hope Baba Vanga's predictions don't turn out to be true or we're in for a Siberian shit show. They've already had anthrax there from a defrosted dead reindeer from 75 years ago.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/baba-vanga-predictions-what-s-ahead-for-2020/ar-BBXYET8

 

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I enjoyed that film and funny that it came out in 2011 as it really seemed like it was made to cash in on covid. Let's hope Baba Vanga's predictions don't turn out to be true or we're in for a Siberian shit show. They've already had anthrax there from a defrosted dead reindeer from 75 years ago.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/baba-vanga-predictions-what-s-ahead-for-2020/ar-BBXYET8


Thawing permafrost is a potential disaster which would affect the entire planet. I‘ve read a few articles about it recently. I had no idea the area is so loaded with danger.
 

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Thawing permafrost is a potential disaster which would affect the entire planet. I‘ve read a few articles about it recently. I had no idea the area is so loaded with danger.
It's very scary stuff. Tons of viruses frozen for years could come back to life. Baba Vanga might yet be proven right again :(
 
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But according to him he has got the virus twice
Many have, especially with Omicron. I'd love to know if he actually genuinely had it in December. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt there but it's definitely easy to falsify that. Maybe you can get a recovery cert in Serbia with just a positive antigen test and it could be anyone's test result logged. It's all the dodgy lying and poor judgements that are getting him in trouble though, not to mention his family making a dog's dinner of their dealings with the media.
 
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Many have, especially with Omicron. I'd love to know if he actually genuinely had it in December. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt there but it's definitely easy to falsify that. Maybe you can get a recovery cert in Serbia with just a positive antigen test and it could be anyone's test result logged. It's all the dodgy lying and poor judgements that are getting him in trouble though, not to mention his family making a dog's dinner of their dealings with the media.
Just a month ago in Croatia there were headlines about falsifying vaccination status. Just need to spend 200$ for it.
 
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Just a month ago in Croatia there were headlines about falsifying vaccination status. Just need to spend 200$ for it.
Where I live you'll be able to log a positive antigen test now pretty soon just to get a recovery cert and that could be anyone's test result. Not quite sure how it's gonna work but the reason for it is lack of testing resources for PCR tests. Gonna be a lot of abuse of it though if it's easy to get a recovery cert when you never had covid. That said, it makes the person no more of a risk to anyone in society in countries where they test no one going indoors so in a way it serves them right and it will end the discrimination which had no scientific basis whatsoever as soon as it was known the vaccines did sfa for preventing transmission, especially since Omicron.
 
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Where I live you'll be able to log a positive antigen test now pretty soon just to get a recovery cert and that could be anyone's test result. Not quite sure how it's gonna work but the reason for it is lack of testing resources for PCR tests. Gonna be a lot of abuse of it though if it's easy to get a recovery cert when you never had covid. That said, it makes the person no more of a risk to anyone in society in countries where they test no one going indoors so in a way it serves them right and it will end the discrimination which had no scientific basis whatsoever as soon as it was known the vaccines did sfa for preventing transmission, especially since Omicron.
We still have a lot of cases of Delta here,regardless of Omicron,most people I have,tested positive to Delta,Omicon is just like flu.
 
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We still have a lot of cases of Delta here,regardless of Omicron,most people I have,tested positive to Delta,Omicon is just like flu.
Yeah most countries with people in ICU and covid related are there 'cos of delta infections and not Omicron.
 
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We still have a lot of cases of Delta here,regardless of Omicron,most people I have,tested positive to Delta,Omicon is just like flu.
I think we all will eventually test positive. So far, I am the last of the Mohicans although I have been traveling international alot and attended large sporting events. I have consistently tested negative (over 20 PCR Tests). Most of my family members and friends have tested positive.
 

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I think we all will eventually test positive. So far, I am the last of the Mohicans although I have been traveling international alot and attended large sporting events. I have consistently tested negative (over 20 PCR Tests).
I agree,all we can do is take the necessary precautions,vitimans,excercise eat un processed food.
 
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This! I have the same concerns and desires: wanting the damn thing to be over, yet suspecting this is going to be with us forever.

Imagine rolling back the clock to the fall of 2019, knowing what we know now. How many things we would do over. Or imagine it’s October 2019, and someone from the future appears to tell us a virus is going to emerge soon which will be with us the rest of our lives. How scary that would be.

By chance, I had just watched the film “Contagion” about a week or two before I first heard someone say “COVID-19”, in early 2020. I immediately had scenes from the movie playing through my head: massive deaths, the virus spreading at light speed, civil unrest, and eventually basic societal norms all breaking down. Fortunately it didn’t turn out that way!
I think it will be with us forever, and, as Front says, there is no way of knowing that it just keeps waning. Other strains could be more virulent. BUT, as people get it, and many get vaccinated, that combines to immunize/insulate us against the stronger strains. They may be stronger, but we will have more immunity to fight them off.

What I think will also be with us forever are some of the social changes that have been made. Some good, some less so. I think there will be more inclination and less stigma to mask even if you just have a cold. This was previously common in Asia, but not in the west. There is a lot that is smart about that. There will be more acceptance of staying home and away from people when you are sick. And Zoom, like it or not, is here to stay. One upside is that people can work more from home, especially if they are a little sick, thereby protecting others. The downside is that I have to put on my lipstick and clean up my living room every time I have a bloody zoom call! Used to be just a conference call! (In seriousness, I generally like it...good way to put faces to names.)

But I absolutely think we have to start to go back to "normal." I was just listening to the head of pediatrics in a Philadelphia hospital, talking about the impact of all of this on kids: their education, their socialization, their trauma. They are our future, and they deserve a normal life. One thing that also may have changed forever, at least here in the US, is the "snow day." Now that there are online classes, they don't have to be cancelled for snow...just moved online. I heard a 9-year-old kid interviewed about this on the radio a few days back and he said, "I'm not going to tell the younger kids that there ever used to be a snow day, because I don't want them to know what they missed." That broke my heart! For those who don't live in a snow belt, a "snow day" is when you wait with baited breath, looking at the forecast and waiting for the list of school closures. When you hit the lottery, you get to spend the day sledding, making snow angels, maybe even skiing, and anyway just generally goofing off. Now, maybe no more snow days. It costs to pay teachers when they don't teach, but, aw....just give them one snow day, once in a while!
 

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I think it will be with us forever, and, as Front says, there is no way of knowing that it just keeps waning. Other strains could be more virulent. BUT, as people get it, and many get vaccinated, that combines to immunize/insulate us against the stronger strains. They may be stronger, but we will have more immunity to fight them off.

What I think will also be with us forever are some of the social changes that have been made. Some good, some less so. I think there will be more inclination and less stigma to mask even if you just have a cold. This was previously common in Asia, but not in the west. There is a lot that is smart about that. There will be more acceptance of staying home and away from people when you are sick. And Zoom, like it or not, is here to stay. One upside is that people can work more from home, especially if they are a little sick, thereby protecting others. The downside is that I have to put on my lipstick and clean up my living room every time I have a bloody zoom call! Used to be just a conference call! (In seriousness, I generally like it...good way to put faces to names.)

But I absolutely think we have to start to go back to "normal." I was just listening to the head of pediatrics in a Philadelphia hospital, talking about the impact of all of this on kids: their education, their socialization, their trauma. They are our future, and they deserve a normal life. One thing that also may have changed forever, at least here in the US, is the "snow day." Now that there are online classes, they don't have to be cancelled for snow...just moved online. I heard a 9-year-old kid interviewed about this on the radio a few days back and he said, "I'm not going to tell the younger kids that there ever used to be a snow day, because I don't want them to know what they missed." That broke my heart! For those who don't live in a snow belt, a "snow day" is when you wait with baited breath, looking at the forecast and waiting for the list of school closures. When you hit the lottery, you get to spend the day sledding, making snow angels, maybe even skiing, and anyway just generally goofing off. Now, maybe no more snow days. It costs to pay teachers when they don't teach, but, aw....just give them one snow day, once in a while!
Snow days were so much fun! I remember watching the list of closed schools scroll by on the TV in the morning, hoping mine would be listed, and the childhood-level joy when you found out you didn’t have to go to school. Wow, what memories.

I saw on 60 Minutes this weekend that prior to covid something like 1 in 60 jobs were remote, i.e., work from home. Now, it’s 1 in 7, which is a remarkable shift.
 
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Here's something that might make Front, Kieran, @El Dude and @britbox happy: I heard a local report the other day that said, of Covid hospitalizations in NYC, 50% were "with" Covid, not "from" Covid, citing drug overdoses and car accidents as examples. (Actually, I have the radio on, and they just reiterated that, about not "from" but "with," as people get tested when they are admitted to the hospital. That doesn't mean that there are not still serious Covid cases and deaths here, in NYC, and all are increasing. However, I thought some might be pleased to hear that there is some attempt to distinguish, within the numbers.
I'm glad to hear that info is filtering through to the media.

They did start changing the narrative quite some time ago at government level in Europe and then later here in Oz with the "from" and "with"
 
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I think it will be with us forever, and, as Front says, there is no way of knowing that it just keeps waning. Other strains could be more virulent. BUT, as people get it, and many get vaccinated, that combines to immunize/insulate us against the stronger strains. They may be stronger, but we will have more immunity to fight them off.

What I think will also be with us forever are some of the social changes that have been made. Some good, some less so. I think there will be more inclination and less stigma to mask even if you just have a cold. This was previously common in Asia, but not in the west. There is a lot that is smart about that. There will be more acceptance of staying home and away from people when you are sick. And Zoom, like it or not, is here to stay. One upside is that people can work more from home, especially if they are a little sick, thereby protecting others. The downside is that I have to put on my lipstick and clean up my living room every time I have a bloody zoom call! Used to be just a conference call! (In seriousness, I generally like it...good way to put faces to names.)

But I absolutely think we have to start to go back to "normal." I was just listening to the head of pediatrics in a Philadelphia hospital, talking about the impact of all of this on kids: their education, their socialization, their trauma. They are our future, and they deserve a normal life. One thing that also may have changed forever, at least here in the US, is the "snow day." Now that there are online classes, they don't have to be cancelled for snow...just moved online. I heard a 9-year-old kid interviewed about this on the radio a few days back and he said, "I'm not going to tell the younger kids that there ever used to be a snow day, because I don't want them to know what they missed." That broke my heart! For those who don't live in a snow belt, a "snow day" is when you wait with baited breath, looking at the forecast and waiting for the list of school closures. When you hit the lottery, you get to spend the day sledding, making snow angels, maybe even skiing, and anyway just generally goofing off. Now, maybe no more snow days. It costs to pay teachers when they don't teach, but, aw....just give them one snow day, once in a while!
Absolutely it's a very tough time for kids and unfortunately (and I'm a realistic not a pessimist) it's just going to get harder for them as we'll have fear ramped up now over climate change and who knows what else. Working from home is definitely the best thing to happen due to this crap hands down. A few companies are adopting a permanent work from home option but many are doing hybrid 3 days in the office and 2 at home. I'd love to be able to work from home forever more and even abroad if my company allowed it but they don't allow either sadly. Agree about meetings with webcams. Annoying having to make ourselves presentable but it still beats lost time spent commuting and being stuck in an office full of muppets.