Carlos Bernardes Withdrawn for Nadal Matches

[Billie]

I love that word; describes Andy's act all too vividly! lease: :cover :nono :angel: - Many do it, but Murray takes it to a new level; IMO bordering on Hamlet when things go "south!" Besides the constant "kvetchin," ya have to take notice of the injuries; real or imagined! They come and go along with the whining of "woe is me!":angel: :dodgy:

I don't know, it might be bad, but he entertains me with such behaviour. :snicker

 

[the AntiPusher]

Whinging little baby. Obey the rules like everyone else or don't play tennis.

So riddle this Frontman, what did you think when Roger told the umpire during the US Open 2009 final , "I don't give a Shit " what your think!" Rafa has never smashed a racket, curse at a umpire or player to my knowledge but just expressed his distained over a time violation penalty point accessed during his service game.

 

[Fiero425]

Whinging little baby. Obey the rules like everyone else or don't play tennis.

So riddle this Frontman, what did you think when Roger told the umpire during the US Open 2009 final , "I don't give a crap " what your think!" Rafa has never smashed a racket, curse at a umpire or player to my knowledge but just expressed his distained over a time violation penalty point accessed during his service game.

Oh Roger's lost it more than once, but it isn't a standing routine like Andy! :angel: :dodgy:

 

[the AntiPusher]

Whinging little baby. Obey the rules like everyone else or don't play tennis.

So riddle this Frontman, what did you think when Roger told the umpire during the US Open 2009 final , "I don't give a crap " what your think!" Rafa has never smashed a racket, curse at a umpire or player to my knowledge but just expressed his distained over a time violation penalty point accessed during his service game.

Oh Roger's lost it more than once, but it isn't a standing routine like Andy! :angel: :dodgy:

I still don't understand why this is a thread

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

^^cos someone started it............innit.

 

[the AntiPusher]

^^cos someone started it............innit.

Yeah, it's gossip correct , maybe one for the WTA thread section, right

 

[Front242]

Whinging little baby. Obey the rules like everyone else or don't play tennis.

So riddle this Frontman, what did you think when Roger told the umpire during the US Open 2009 final , "I don't give a crap " what your think!" Rafa has never smashed a racket, curse at a umpire or player to my knowledge but just expressed his distained over a time violation penalty point accessed during his service game.

What do I think? I think you'd want to be a glaring idiot to not see that Roger was 100% correct. Del Potro's late challenge was a complete joke. Rafa has probably cursed plenty of times in Spanish but anyone who doesn't speak Spanish wouldn't even have noticed. Sure, Roger could have complained without cursing but the umpire made a bad mistake there allowing Del Potro to challenge so damn late and it's understandable that in the heat of the moment Roger's language went south. I'd curse too if that annoyed. Roger does not go over the time limit like Rafa every match and you and Nadal fans know this. Rather than adhere to the rules, which he clearly has no intention of doing, Rafa prefers to instead kick up a fuss with one of the few umpires doing his job properly and have him removed from his matches just so he can continue to break the rules. A true sportsman right there and a great role model for everyone.

 

[Denis]

^ agreed. There is quite a difference between using strong language and threatening an umpire to take him off your matches. Clearly, Nadal has enough reason to think he actually has that power and thinks it is right to say so in a match. It's really quite sad.

 

[the AntiPusher]

^ agreed. There is quite a difference between using strong language and threatening an umpire to take him off your matches. Clearly, Nadal has enough reason to think he actually has that power and thinks it is right to say so in a match. It's really quite sad.

So let us be clear, you two Federerettes acknowledge that Fed using profanity on live national television in front of and audience that includes kids isn't as bad as one player's saying that he would not prefer to have an umpire who has a history of being unable to be unbiased as how he refs matches.:nono

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

You couldn't handle watching the Eurovision song contest with your missus and f****d off down the pub. Good man

every year its the same 3hrs of unbelievably turgid and vacuous dancefloor eurovomit.:gross:

 

[Kirijax]

You couldn't handle watching the Eurovision song contest with your missus and f****d off down the pub. Good man

every year its the same 3hrs of unbelievably turgid and vacuous dancefloor eurovomit.:gross:

Completely personal point of view, but I draw the line when bearded men in evening dresses start winning the competition.

Wait, someone threw me off topic.

 

[Fiero425]

You couldn't handle watching the Eurovision song contest with your missus and f****d off down the pub. Good man

every year its the same 3hrs of unbelievably turgid and vacuous dance-floor eurovomit.:gross:

Completely personal point of view, but I draw the line when bearded men in evening dresses start winning the competition.

Wait, someone threw me off topic.

Oh my, have they released Teresa Giudice of RHWNJ from prison already? uzzled :angel: :dodgy:

 

[Moxie]

Whinging little baby. Obey the rules like everyone else or don't play tennis.

So riddle this Frontman, what did you think when Roger told the umpire during the US Open 2009 final , "I don't give a crap " what your think!" Rafa has never smashed a racket, curse at a umpire or player to my knowledge but just expressed his distained over a time violation penalty point accessed during his service game.

What do I think? I think you'd want to be a glaring idiot to not see that Roger was 100% correct. Del Potro's late challenge was a complete joke. Rafa has probably cursed plenty of times in Spanish but anyone who doesn't speak Spanish wouldn't even have noticed. Sure, Roger could have complained without cursing but the umpire made a bad mistake there allowing Del Potro to challenge so damn late and it's understandable that in the heat of the moment Roger's language went south. I'd curse too if that annoyed. Roger does not go over the time limit like Rafa every match and you and Nadal fans know this. Rather than adhere to the rules, which he clearly has no intention of doing, Rafa prefers to instead kick up a fuss with one of the few umpires doing his job properly and have him removed from his matches just so he can continue to break the rules. A true sportsman right there and a great role model for everyone.

I do speak Spanish, and Rafa doesn't curse. I really don't catch him in an inaudible, which is especially rare, since Spaniards are great swearers, and don't consider lots of words socially unacceptable. Please also remember that we have no proof that Nadal had Bernardes removed.

^ agreed. There is quite a difference between using strong language and threatening an umpire to take him off your matches. Clearly, Nadal has enough reason to think he actually has that power and thinks it is right to say so in a match. It's really quite sad.

This is a double-standard. Yelling at an umpire is yelling at an umpire. It happens. Cursing audibly is against the rules, but still, it's all heat of battle. But if you don't find cursing offensive, then you can't really take anything that is said to the chair in anger that seriously.

Front makes reference all the time to Nadal's slow play, and then, above, the sarcastic remark as to "true sportsman and role model." However, it IS true that Nadal doesn't curse, throw his racquet or hit a ball into the stands in anger. All of which are also code violations, and all of which Federer, Djokovic and Murray, as 3 examples, have done. I don't think you can make a HUGE deal of one, as Front does, endlessly, and completely excuse the others. And if you want to make a role model of anyone, it's the one who doesn't curse, or throw his racquet in anger.

 

[Front242]

Cursing is not the issue here and you know it. That's one of the rare times I've ever seen Roger ever curse and the umpire made an awful call to let Del Potro challenge so late. Rafa on the other hand goes over the time limit and breaks the rules in every match. Quite a glaring difference really. It was AP who attempted to divert the whole topic away from the obvious issue of Rafa's time wasting to Roger cursing in one match. Class.

 

[Moxie]

Cursing is not the issue here and you know it. That's one of the rare times I've ever seen Roger ever curse and the umpire made an awful call to let Del Potro challenge so late. Rafa on the other hand goes over the time limit and breaks the rules in every match. Quite a glaring difference really. It was AP who attempted to divert the whole topic away from the obvious issue of Rafa's time wasting to Roger cursing in one match. Class.

The issue here is breaking the rules, and cursing is against the rules. There are a fair few examples of Roger cursing, arguing with the umpire, smashing his racquet, or arguing that the Hawkeye is wrong, even though it is considered by all to be the definitive answer in modern technology. Talking about Roger, or anyone else, cursing, or smashing racquets is not a diversion. It is something that Nadal himself has said as a counter to him getting so often penalized for slow play, when he is never guilty of the similar types of code violations. It's not a thing to say that others do bad things, I get that, if they all break the rules, sometimes. Nadal has always played slow, and he does it more than Roger or Novak swears, (though probably not Murray. :cover ) But you can't cry foul on slow play, then talk about model behavior and excuse swearing and racquet/ball abuse, which are far more unsportsmanlike and bad examples for kids.

 

[brokenshoelace]

Remember when Djokovic told the Madrid crowd to suck his c*ock? Good times.

 

[nehmeth]

Cursing is not the issue here and you know it. That's one of the rare times I've ever seen Roger ever curse and the umpire made an awful call to let Del Potro challenge so late. Rafa on the other hand goes over the time limit and breaks the rules in every match. Quite a glaring difference really. It was AP who attempted to divert the whole topic away from the obvious issue of Rafa's time wasting to Roger cursing in one match. Class.

The issue here is breaking the rules, and cursing is against the rules. There are a fair few examples of Roger cursing, arguing with the umpire, smashing his racquet, or arguing that the Hawkeye is wrong, even though it is considered by all to be the definitive answer in modern technology. Talking about Roger, or anyone else, cursing, or smashing racquets is not a diversion. It is something that Nadal himself has said as a counter to him getting so often penalized for slow play, when he is never guilty of the similar types of code violations. It's not a thing to say that others do bad things, I get that, if they all break the rules, sometimes. Nadal has always played slow, and he does it more than Roger or Novak swears, (though probably not Murray. :cover ) But you can't cry foul on slow play, then talk about model behavior and excuse swearing and racquet/ball abuse, which are far more unsportsmanlike and bad examples for kids.

If Rafa keeps playing at present levels, I wouldn't be surprised if some racquet smashing ensues.... especially the new models.:snicker

 

[the AntiPusher]

Remember when Djokovic told the Madrid crowd to suck his c*ock? Good times.

BS, U are being kind, Djoker exact words was to suck his "Richard or his ##** Tracy".

 

[mrzz]

All rules must be enforced, so players cursing and smashing racquets should also be penalized.

But the comparison is skewed. Take the worst example, which I guess is Murray. How many times does he curse (I mean, loud and heavy against the law cursing) per match, on average? Three, four times? It is probably much less, but even so it is still on, say, 2% of the points.

How many times per match a time violation occurs? Regular offenders do that regularly (and I already checked the stats), that is, around 50% of the time. These are completely different levels.

 

[the AntiPusher]

Much to do about nothing.. nobody will pay to watch him umpire a match or ever should. yes Rafa is slow to get into his service motion but this guy is just a distraction.

Hey AP, nobody pays to watch umpires....If they did that, I would pay to see Carlos (preferably against F3).

Why do you say that he is just a distraction? Do you have any knowledge that he is deliberately targeting Rafa? I couldn't notice it. I've seen him give players warnings in change overs and giving time violation or other penalties during matches.

I am against an umpire targeting a specific player, that would not be cool. But not liking an umpire because he tries to stick to the rules and is not afraid to enforce them, that's another thing.

The time violation is the easiest thing to call, IMO as well as racquet abuse or verbal abuse. All other stuff can be perhaps disputable, replay of a point or flat out giving the point after hawk out review, something like that.

BTW: the umps get scored after each of their matches and the higher the scores during a season, the potential of umpiring high profile matches rises. I read that in one of the interviews with an ump.

I am sorry Miss Billie I didn't read your post days earlier. My thing with Carlos, I have watch him for years and I haven't EVER seen him enforce the rules. If I am not mistaken, Fed was the first player whom had been complaining to the umpire about Rafa however he NEVER complained against Roddick who was notorious for being slow to get into his service motion. Lately, I noticed that Novak has been complaining when he plays Rafa and he has to be close to the number two time violator behind Rafa. If Rafa is breaking the rules then I am all for Rafa to get access warnings and etc which he gets regularly but be let's be fair. To single Rafa or any player out isn't fair. As for the players complaining during the matches, its their prerogative. To be honest, if I was Rafa, I would complain against Novak.