Carlos Bernardes Withdrawn for Nadal Matches

[Front242]

Cursing is not the issue here and you know it. That's one of the rare times I've ever seen Roger ever curse and the umpire made an awful call to let Del Potro challenge so late. Rafa on the other hand goes over the time limit and breaks the rules in every match. Quite a glaring difference really. It was AP who attempted to divert the whole topic away from the obvious issue of Rafa's time wasting to Roger cursing in one match. Class.

The issue here is breaking the rules, and cursing is against the rules. There are a fair few examples of Roger cursing, arguing with the umpire, smashing his racquet, or arguing that the Hawkeye is wrong, even though it is considered by all to be the definitive answer in modern technology. Talking about Roger, or anyone else, cursing, or smashing racquets is not a diversion. It is something that Nadal himself has said as a counter to him getting so often penalized for slow play, when he is never guilty of the similar types of code violations. It's not a thing to say that others do bad things, I get that, if they all break the rules, sometimes. Nadal has always played slow, and he does it more than Roger or Novak swears, (though probably not Murray. :cover ) But you can't cry foul on slow play, then talk about model behavior and excuse swearing and racquet/ball abuse, which are far more unsportsmanlike and bad examples for kids.

Honestly that's the dumbest thing I've read in a long time. I can't recall Federer cursing any other time besides that US 2009 final against the ultimate sloth, slow to the point of embarrassment when it comes to challenges: Del Potro. That's one example I heard Roger curse and I've watched an awful lot of his matches and, speaking personally, I don't recall any other time he cursed. Anyway, back to role models. Someone cursing does not affect the opponent. It may upset you and a prissy little holy Joe family who never utter the word "$h1t" ever but it does not affect the opponent. Nor does smashing a racquet. That has no effect on anyone but the person who smashed it and obviously the racquet too! That could hardly be seen as bad sportsmanship either since it's simply a player expressing disgust at their own poor play and in many cases they start playing better by letting off steam. Now if Federer broke Nadal's racquet that would be poor sportsmanship but he's breaking his own out of anger. Actually for all the time wasting and silly mind games he's had to endure all the years against him, Federer probably should smash one of Nadal's racquets at this stage!

Nadal's time wasting on the other hand is just about the worst example of bad sportsmanship as it affects so many aspects of the game. [A] It's an obvious annoyance and distraction for the server that he makes them wait for him to receive serve, completely disallowing them from playing at their own pace. Good on guys like Kyrgios and Rosol though for rushing him and not letting him do that to him. Others should take note. It's an obvious pain in the behind for the receiver to have to wait so long between points as they cool down between points and lose their rhythm and focus which is exactly what he's trying to do to them and for this reason he shouldn't be allowed get away with it and [C] It completely disrupts the flow of the game from the point of view of the spectator both live and on tv. Unless you want to eat a sandwich in between points while he fiddles with every orifice and are happy to wait a long time between points it's unacceptable as most people would actually prefer far faster matches with less unnecessary stalling. On average Nadal's matches are far longer than practically every other player out there.

How stalling, p1$$ing off the opponent and spectators is the act of a good role model I've no idea but in my eyes it's the polar opposite.

 

[brokenshoelace]

Cursing is not the issue here and you know it. That's one of the rare times I've ever seen Roger ever curse and the umpire made an awful call to let Del Potro challenge so late. Rafa on the other hand goes over the time limit and breaks the rules in every match. Quite a glaring difference really. It was AP who attempted to divert the whole topic away from the obvious issue of Rafa's time wasting to Roger cursing in one match. Class.

The issue here is breaking the rules, and cursing is against the rules. There are a fair few examples of Roger cursing, arguing with the umpire, smashing his racquet, or arguing that the Hawkeye is wrong, even though it is considered by all to be the definitive answer in modern technology. Talking about Roger, or anyone else, cursing, or smashing racquets is not a diversion. It is something that Nadal himself has said as a counter to him getting so often penalized for slow play, when he is never guilty of the similar types of code violations. It's not a thing to say that others do bad things, I get that, if they all break the rules, sometimes. Nadal has always played slow, and he does it more than Roger or Novak swears, (though probably not Murray. :cover ) But you can't cry foul on slow play, then talk about model behavior and excuse swearing and racquet/ball abuse, which are far more unsportsmanlike and bad examples for kids.

I hope to hear a few "mea culpas" from the legion of Nadalites who claimed that the article on Rafa's asking to have Bernades removed was untrue! Moxie---On what basis do you say that Swearing and racquet/ball abuse are far more unsportsmanlike than Nadal's chronic slow play? First of all, players are almost automatically docked for ball/racquet abuse---and they rarely if ever protest the call. It is blatant and witnessed by everyone. I think that Nada's slow play---which he uses many times strategically to slow down the pace of play when he is losing/to break the opponent's momentum, is FAR MORE insidious and unsportsmanlike. It also allows him to recover better from his very physical style of play. And we don't even have to reintroduce the issue of the on-court coaching, which Rafa and Uncle Toni have singlehandedly introduced to the ATP tour lol (and which is VERY rarely challenged by the chair and/or the ATP tour).

The idea that Nadal is actually more guilty of on court coaching than other players is something entirely made up on tennisfrontier by a couple of salty fans who wouldn't shut up about it and it became a thing. Have you ever sat behind a player's box? Coaching runs rampant.

It's unbelievable what spreading the same bull$hit over and over does.

 

[brokenshoelace]

Honestly that's the dumbest thing I've read in a long time.

Then maybe you should try more proofreading.

 

[brokenshoelace]

Let me put things in perspective:

People here are acting appalled, morally APPALLED, over 5-10 additional seconds before a serve. Oh the humanity!

(PS: I'm not saying it's right. Nadal should be penalized. But most of you need to get the f*ck off your high horses. Jesus Christ, this thread gave me retinal aids).

 

[Front242]

Honestly that's the dumbest thing I've read in a long time.

Then maybe you should try more proofreading.

I did. It's still dumb.

 

[the AntiPusher]

Mate...:cover do you have anything current? As in not from 3 years ago? :nono

Why ask me ..Didn't your good buddy Front originally post that youtube video of Novak exceeding the time limit. Ask him what year this violation occurs

Very simple. You posted it in a cheap attempt to obfuscate. We all know what this thread is about. Yet you brought up something that Novak did 3 years ago mate :nono. If you want to make a point about Novak show something he's done lately. As a number of posters have observed he's improved considerably. If he can do it I'm quite certain Rafa can too

So what was Front doing when he posted it, Please tell me no pun intended Umpire:laydownlaughing

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Let me put things in perspective:

People here are acting appalled, morally APPALLED, over 5-10 additional seconds before a serve. Oh the humanity!

(PS: I'm not saying it's right. Nadal should be penalized. But most of you need to get the f*ck off your high horses. Jesus Christ, this thread gave me retinal aids).

5 to 10 second few times in few matches is OK. But, that is not the reality. It is almost always and you know it and Rafa himself knows it. On top of being wrong, getting the referee removed using your star power is very bad.

Now, perhaps Tom Brady should try to get the NFL chief fired as the ball was deflated only by small amount and it probably did not make any difference who won the super bowl.

 

[Federberg]

Why ask me ..Didn't your good buddy Front originally post that youtube video of Novak exceeding the time limit. Ask him what year this violation occurs

Very simple. You posted it in a cheap attempt to obfuscate. We all know what this thread is about. Yet you brought up something that Novak did 3 years ago mate :nono. If you want to make a point about Novak show something he's done lately. As a number of posters have observed he's improved considerably. If he can do it I'm quite certain Rafa can too

So what was Front doing when he posted it, Please tell me no pun intended Umpire:laydownlaughing

Be a man, admit you made an error and move on mate. Over and out :nono

 

[brokenshoelace]

Let me put things in perspective:

People here are acting appalled, morally APPALLED, over 5-10 additional seconds before a serve. Oh the humanity!

(PS: I'm not saying it's right. Nadal should be penalized. But most of you need to get the f*ck off your high horses. Jesus Christ, this thread gave me retinal aids).

5 to 10 second few times in few matches is OK. But, that is not the reality. It is almost always and you know it and Rafa himself knows it. On top of being wrong, getting the referee removed using your star power is very bad.

Now, perhaps Tom Brady should try to get the NFL chief fired as the ball was deflated only by small amount and it probably did not make any difference who won the super bowl.

Is this the national day of logical fallacies and terrible analogies? Deflated balls is in no way comparable to extra seconds before a serve.

As far as your first sentence, where did you get the idea that I'm implying Nadal only does this occasionally? Notice, I said "5-10 seconds before a serve." That's almost on average. Nadal does this a lot. He should be punished.

But if you're morally appalled over this then it's time to revise your standards.

 

[Federberg]

Cursing is not the issue here and you know it. That's one of the rare times I've ever seen Roger ever curse and the umpire made an awful call to let Del Potro challenge so late. Rafa on the other hand goes over the time limit and breaks the rules in every match. Quite a glaring difference really. It was AP who attempted to divert the whole topic away from the obvious issue of Rafa's time wasting to Roger cursing in one match. Class.

The issue here is breaking the rules, and cursing is against the rules. There are a fair few examples of Roger cursing, arguing with the umpire, smashing his racquet, or arguing that the Hawkeye is wrong, even though it is considered by all to be the definitive answer in modern technology. Talking about Roger, or anyone else, cursing, or smashing racquets is not a diversion. It is something that Nadal himself has said as a counter to him getting so often penalized for slow play, when he is never guilty of the similar types of code violations. It's not a thing to say that others do bad things, I get that, if they all break the rules, sometimes. Nadal has always played slow, and he does it more than Roger or Novak swears, (though probably not Murray. :cover ) But you can't cry foul on slow play, then talk about model behavior and excuse swearing and racquet/ball abuse, which are far more unsportsmanlike and bad examples for kids.

Honestly that's the dumbest thing I've read in a long time. I can't recall Federer cursing any other time besides that US 2009 final against the ultimate sloth, slow to the point of embarrassment when it comes to challenges: Del Potro. That's one example I heard Roger curse and I've watched an awful lot of his matches and, speaking personally, I don't recall any other time he cursed. Anyway, back to role models. Someone cursing does not affect the opponent. It may upset you and a prissy little holy Joe family who never utter the word "$h1t" ever but it does not affect the opponent. Nor does smashing a racquet. That has no effect on anyone but the person who smashed it and obviously the racquet too! That could hardly be seen as bad sportsmanship either since it's simply a player expressing disgust at their own poor play and in many cases they start playing better by letting off steam. Now if Federer broke Nadal's racquet that would be poor sportsmanship but he's breaking his own out of anger. Actually for all the time wasting and silly mind games he's had to endure all the years against him, Federer probably should smash one of Nadal's racquets at this stage!

Nadal's time wasting on the other hand is just about the worst example of bad sportsmanship as it affects so many aspects of the game. [A] It's an obvious annoyance and distraction for the server that he makes them wait for him to receive serve, completely disallowing them from playing at their own pace. Good on guys like Kyrgios and Rosol though for rushing him and not letting him do that to him. Others should take note. It's an obvious pain in the behind for the receiver to have to wait so long between points as they cool down between points and lose their rhythm and focus which is exactly what he's trying to do to them and for this reason he shouldn't be allowed get away with it and [C] It completely disrupts the flow of the game from the point of view of the spectator both live and on tv. Unless you want to eat a sandwich in between points while he fiddles with every orifice and are happy to wait a long time between points it's unacceptable as most people would actually prefer far faster matches with less unnecessary stalling. On average Nadal's matches are far longer than practically every other player out there.

How stalling, p1$$ing off the opponent and spectators is the act of a good role model I've no idea but in my eyes it's the polar opposite.

I largely agree with where you're going with this Front. But I've heard Roger swear a few more times. He's even been given code violations for it. At the same time I've also seen Rafa mouth "puta" quite a few times so I really don't know where Moxie is going with all that nonsense to be honest :snicker

Bottom line.. swearing doesn't affect the opposition. Coaching is wrong, Rafa has received coaching numerous times. For an all time great it's a bit sad that Uncle Toni does this, it just puts Rafa's legacy to question. Can he do it by himself or not??

As far as I'm concerned anything that you do that directly affects another player is unsportsmanlike. End of story. I'm not going to let Roger off the hook with the match against Murray in China, when he claimed it was too wet and they should close the roof. That was a bit low in my view. But frankly Roger is far less guilty of low class stuff than Rafa. It's delusional to think otherwise. This is not about fandom, maybe it's the English in me, but a bit of fair play is to be respected. Say what you want about Novak, but he generally ticks most of the boxes. Even his time wasting was more about his nerves that trying to affect the other player. Can't say the same about Rafa :nono

 

[the AntiPusher]

Let me put things in perspective:

People here are acting appalled, morally APPALLED, over 5-10 additional seconds before a serve. Oh the humanity!

(PS: I'm not saying it's right. Nadal should be penalized. But most of you need to get the f*ck off your high horses. Jesus Christ, this thread gave me retinal aids).

Broken , I haven't seen a Rafa fan say that Rafa shouldn't be penalized if he exceeds the limit. Most of them are pretty honest. Heck, I even said that Rafa is quilty of exceeding the time limits. However, this board especially the jealous fans of his success look for every bit of bullcrap to try to make him look like he is the "Tom Brady or Bill B " of tennis. We will see how the next few months pan out to see if Rafa gets closer to their "Beloved or the one they currently "love".

 

[the AntiPusher]

Its funny while I was writing another poster also mentioned the recently defamed Tom Brady.

 

[Front242]

Let me put things in perspective:

People here are acting appalled, morally APPALLED, over 5-10 additional seconds before a serve. Oh the humanity!

(PS: I'm not saying it's right. Nadal should be penalized. But most of you need to get the f*ck off your high horses. Jesus Christ, this thread gave me retinal aids).

Broken , I haven't seen a Rafa fan say that Rafa shouldn't be penalized if he exceeds the limit. Most of them are pretty honest. Heck, I even said that Rafa is quilty of exceeding the time limits. However, this board especially the jealous fans of his success look for every bit of bullcrap to try to make him look like he is the "Tom Brady or Bill B " of tennis. We will see how the next few months pan out to see if Rafa gets closer to their "Beloved or the one they currently "love".

It's got nothing to do with jealously of his success. Despite being a similarly slow individual in terms of play, I actually don't mind Del Potro but likewise his conduct is unprofessional. For guys with big serves Isner and Raonic are quite slow too. Stalling play is poor whoever you are.

 

[Federberg]

^And frankly as a Fed fan it will be a cold day in hell that I'm ever jealous about Rafa's achievements. Let him win a few more things, and perhaps if I was the jealous type maybe... :lolz:

 

[Riotbeard]

The issue here is breaking the rules, and cursing is against the rules. There are a fair few examples of Roger cursing, arguing with the umpire, smashing his racquet, or arguing that the Hawkeye is wrong, even though it is considered by all to be the definitive answer in modern technology. Talking about Roger, or anyone else, cursing, or smashing racquets is not a diversion. It is something that Nadal himself has said as a counter to him getting so often penalized for slow play, when he is never guilty of the similar types of code violations. It's not a thing to say that others do bad things, I get that, if they all break the rules, sometimes. Nadal has always played slow, and he does it more than Roger or Novak swears, (though probably not Murray. :cover ) But you can't cry foul on slow play, then talk about model behavior and excuse swearing and racquet/ball abuse, which are far more unsportsmanlike and bad examples for kids.

Honestly that's the dumbest thing I've read in a long time. I can't recall Federer cursing any other time besides that US 2009 final against the ultimate sloth, slow to the point of embarrassment when it comes to challenges: Del Potro. That's one example I heard Roger curse and I've watched an awful lot of his matches and, speaking personally, I don't recall any other time he cursed. Anyway, back to role models. Someone cursing does not affect the opponent. It may upset you and a prissy little holy Joe family who never utter the word "$h1t" ever but it does not affect the opponent. Nor does smashing a racquet. That has no effect on anyone but the person who smashed it and obviously the racquet too! That could hardly be seen as bad sportsmanship either since it's simply a player expressing disgust at their own poor play and in many cases they start playing better by letting off steam. Now if Federer broke Nadal's racquet that would be poor sportsmanship but he's breaking his own out of anger. Actually for all the time wasting and silly mind games he's had to endure all the years against him, Federer probably should smash one of Nadal's racquets at this stage!

Nadal's time wasting on the other hand is just about the worst example of bad sportsmanship as it affects so many aspects of the game. [A] It's an obvious annoyance and distraction for the server that he makes them wait for him to receive serve, completely disallowing them from playing at their own pace. Good on guys like Kyrgios and Rosol though for rushing him and not letting him do that to him. Others should take note. It's an obvious pain in the behind for the receiver to have to wait so long between points as they cool down between points and lose their rhythm and focus which is exactly what he's trying to do to them and for this reason he shouldn't be allowed get away with it and [C] It completely disrupts the flow of the game from the point of view of the spectator both live and on tv. Unless you want to eat a sandwich in between points while he fiddles with every orifice and are happy to wait a long time between points it's unacceptable as most people would actually prefer far faster matches with less unnecessary stalling. On average Nadal's matches are far longer than practically every other player out there.

How stalling, p1$$ing off the opponent and spectators is the act of a good role model I've no idea but in my eyes it's the polar opposite.

I largely agree with where you're going with this Front. But I've heard Roger swear a few more times. He's even been given code violations for it. At the same time I've also seen Rafa mouth "puta" quite a few times so I really don't know where Moxie is going with all that nonsense to be honest :snicker

Bottom line.. swearing doesn't affect the opposition. Coaching is wrong, Rafa has received coaching numerous times. For an all time great it's a bit sad that Uncle Toni does this, it just puts Rafa's legacy to question. Can he do it by himself or not??

As far as I'm concerned anything that you do that directly affects another player is unsportsmanlike. End of story. I'm not going to let Roger off the hook with the match against Murray in China, when he claimed it was too wet and they should close the roof. That was a bit low in my view. But frankly Roger is far less guilty of low class stuff than Rafa. It's delusional to think otherwise. This is not about fandom, maybe it's the English in me, but a bit of fair play is to be respected. Say what you want about Novak, but he generally ticks most of the boxes. Even his time wasting was more about his nerves that trying to affect the other player. Can't say the same about Rafa :nono

Not to mention novak has worked on the ball bouncing, although he could still get better. I hardly like fed more than rafa, but I can think of few if any instances of gamemanship.

 

[brokenshoelace]

For an all time great it's a bit sad that Uncle Toni does this, it just puts Rafa's legacy to question. Can he do it by himself or not??

Holy mother of god this place is getting bonkers. Yeah, that's it, this thread has officially jumped the shark. It's like each post tries to top the previous one with an insane claim and whacky arguments.

 

[Riotbeard]

Oh, also Broken's point about the real world is ridiculous. Clearly we know what the real world as like as there are numerous articles posted in this thread about Rafa abusing his influence to keep bernardes from officiating his matches. Do you really think Rafa should get to play by different rules by nature of his money and success?! If it were Novak, I would at least admit that it is a douche move. I would still like Novak, but I would dislike that action and call it for what it is.

 

[the AntiPusher]

Let me put things in perspective:

People here are acting appalled, morally APPALLED, over 5-10 additional seconds before a serve. Oh the humanity!

(PS: I'm not saying it's right. Nadal should be penalized. But most of you need to get the f*ck off your high horses. Jesus Christ, this thread gave me retinal aids).

Broken , I haven't seen a Rafa fan say that Rafa shouldn't be penalized if he exceeds the limit. Most of them are pretty honest. Heck, I even said that Rafa is quilty of exceeding the time limits. However, this board especially the jealous fans of his success look for every bit of bullcrap to try to make him look like he is the "Tom Brady or Bill B " of tennis. We will see how the next few months pan out to see if Rafa gets closer to their "Beloved or the one they currently "love".

It's got nothing to do with jealously of his success. Despite being a similarly slow individual in terms of play, I actually don't mind Del Potro but likewise his conduct is unprofessional. For guys with big serves Isner and Raonic are quite slow too. Stalling play is poor whoever you are.

I disagree.. its all about the number 14 and 17.. Plain and simple. Do you think that 4 to 5 secs means that his number of GS titles would be less than 14 or his numerous master series titles or other titles would be lessen. Just for once , look how silly all of this is. Damn

 

[brokenshoelace]

Oh, also Broken's point about the real world is ridiculous. Clearly we know what the real world as like as there are numerous articles posted in this thread about Rafa abusing his influence to keep bernardes from officiating his matches. Do you really think Rafa should get to play by different rules by nature of his money and success?! If it were Novak, I would at least admit that it is a douche move. I would still like Novak, but I would dislike that action and call it for what it is.

Nah the level of comprehension on these forums is ridiculous.

That's the real world whether you like it or not. Successful people in a position of power get privileges that others don't. That doesn't make it right, but it is what it is. You think THAT is ridiculous? Then I question which world you've been living in.

 

[Front242]

Chuck Norris should pay Rafa a visit on Chatrier and sort him out.