Carlos Bernardes Withdrawn for Nadal Matches

[DarthFed]

^^ As Broken said, Rafa's a quick learner. If they enforced it roughly from the start, he'd adjust. And they should enforce it from the start, but why they don't, only they can tell...

Yes he'd be forced to adjust and a big adjustment it would be...probably one that isn't suited to his game.

He's made a lot of much bigger adjustments since the days he was just a "one-dimensional" dirtballer. I'd imagine that any adjustments in this regard could be made to suit his game perfectly...

Pace of play for Mr. OCD is a different change than standing closer to the baseline and actually serving over 100 MPH.

 

[Front242]

'cos iz the true, no? If he wants umpires to stop getting on his back he'd adhere to the rules. He can't be bothered so he and his camp came up with this ingenious plan instead: the title of the thread.

Front, you offer your interpretations of people's motivations and call them facts. Often.

Moxie, your favourite tennis player breaks the rules in every game of tennis he plays and that's a fact. Often.

 

[Kirijax]

I've done a little reading, what there is to find, and it basically comes to the Telegraph declaring it to be so, but citing no source. Not even background, unnamed ones. It also bears pointing out that the Telegraph headline is damning to Nadal: "Nadal Makes a Mockery of Rule Book," implying that Rafa had something to do with Bernardes being withdrawn as a potential chair ump for his matches, which we don't even know to be true. So I would caution for a little closer attention to facts and sources before passing a lot of judgement.

The article does say that the ATP, which doesn't control majors, says that, “a number of factors are taken into consideration in the [umpire] selection process, including badge qualifications, nationality, as well as any previous history or incidents”. The article also cites some precedents for the last part. I would think it possible, if it is true, that the ITF may choose not to pressure Nadal with an umpire that he has had a recent run-in with, especially at a tournament as important as Roland Garros.

Players can get frustrated in matches, and sometimes take it out on the chair. That's certainly not novel.
For the record, and @Carol35, I think Carlos Bernardes is an excellent umpire. One of the best, and most genial.

Well, there used to be a general guideline on here that users should preferably link to a source... now the source must link to another source too? The Telegraph isn't actually a rag in the UK - it's regarded as a pretty serious paper - like a "Washington Post" type of publication.

Now of course that doesn't mean they ever get things wrong... but using a little bit of intuition and common sense, would you hazard a guess that the Nadal camp might have said something? Kind of feels a bit strange that an umpire gets pulled on a specific player's matches.

I suggested that Kirijax could have added a bit of analysis or perspective from his own reading of it. What he said only was "This should get everyone riled up for the French Open," so I guess the intention, jovially, was to let it be as inflammatory as the headline. All fine, but people can read for themselves that it doesn't offer anything in the way of a source. I know that the Telegraph is a real newspaper, but I agree with Kieran...you shouldn't have to use common sense and intuition in reading a news article. We don't have to believe it just because they wrote it. And I disagree with Mrzz...the phrase "The Telegraph can reveal..." is meaningless without a citation.

Yeah maybe, I do so enjoy getting everyone riled up a bit at times. Especially Nadal fans.

 

[Kieran]

Interesting.

Does Rafa also make special requests for doping inspectors?

:cover

I dunno. Maybe he asks if they'd like a hard-boiled egg, guaranteed to make you last so much longer... :Nono

 

[Front242]

Or maybe a Bloody Mary

 

[Kieran]

Or maybe a Bloody Mary

Speaking of such salubrious things, I'm about to enter one of Dublins finest establishments. Bit early for a Bloody Mary, but let me know what you're having yourself, and it'll be on the bar when ya get here... :hug

 

[Front242]

Thinking I'll actually have a Kahlua and Pepsi Max here at home Don't drink much these days but this is one of few things I drink occasionally at home. Goes down nicely like a 2 dolla ho :snicker

 

[Kieran]

Thinking I'll actually have a Kahlua and Pepsi Max here at home Don't drink much these days but this is one of few things I drink occasionally at home. Goes down nicely like a 2 dolla ho :snicker

I can get ya one of them instead of the drink? :snicker

Enjoy yourself! It's a balmy night here, nice and busy, and easy on the eye...

 

[Front242]

Seems almost as warm in Dublin as it is in Paris this week! Have a good one.

 

[Kieran]

Seems almost as warm in Dublin as it is in Paris this week! Have a good one.

Are you in Paris?! If you are, enjoy yourself.

If you're in Cork...commiserations!

 

[Front242]

Seems almost as warm in Dublin as it is in Paris this week! Have a good one.

Are you in Paris?! If you are, enjoy yourself.

If you're in Cork...commiserations!

Nah, not in Paris lol. Was checking the weather for the tennis conditions. Hopefully it pours rain and goes down to 10C there soon. I hear a certain fella from Mallorca loves those conditions, especially on the Suzanne Lenglen court

 

[Kieran]

Seems almost as warm in Dublin as it is in Paris this week! Have a good one.

Are you in Paris?! If you are, enjoy yourself.

If you're in Cork...commiserations!

Nah, not in Paris lol. Was checking the weather for the tennis conditions. Hopefully it pours rain and goes down to 10C there soon. I hear a certain fella from Mallorca loves those conditions, especially on the Suzanne Lenglen court

He's beaten them all, in all conditions.

You never in Dublin, brother?

 

[Front242]

Not often, nope. Must pop up there in the near future.

 

[Kieran]

Not often, nope. Must pop up there in the near future.

Let me know when you do...I'll exit for Paris! :laydownlaughing

Nah, I'll show you the good spots... :hug

 

[Front242]

You couldn't handle watching the Eurovision song contest with your missus and f****d off down the pub. Good man

 

[Billie]

Much to do about nothing.. nobody will pay to watch him umpire a match or ever should. yes Rafa is slow to get into his service motion but this guy is just a distraction.

Hey AP, nobody pays to watch umpires....If they did that, I would pay to see Carlos (preferably against F3).

Why do you say that he is just a distraction? Do you have any knowledge that he is deliberately targeting Rafa? I couldn't notice it. I've seen him give players warnings in change overs and giving time violation or other penalties during matches.

I am against an umpire targeting a specific player, that would not be cool. But not liking an umpire because he tries to stick to the rules and is not afraid to enforce them, that's another thing.

The time violation is the easiest thing to call, IMO as well as racquet abuse or verbal abuse. All other stuff can be perhaps disputable, replay of a point or flat out giving the point after hawk out review, something like that.

BTW: the umps get scored after each of their matches and the higher the scores during a season, the potential of umpiring high profile matches rises. I read that in one of the interviews with an ump.

 

[Billie]

No and that's the thing that makes Rafa's complaints funny. If they called it as they should he'd be screwed until he made a huge adjustment to his rituals which would likely hurt his endurance and game overall. Part of the reason Rafa likes to take forever is due to all the energy he is spending on court.

Anyways I look at it like the speeding limit (at least here in the U.S.) where we can go 5 miles over the limit and we probably won't get pulled over by a cop even though they can do so if they want. But if they catch us doing 10+ over we are going to get pulled over every time. Rafa takes more time on the bigger points, so he goes from just barely going over the time limit to being way over it.

I think this is a good analogy with tennis. And if you were a cop and I was going over the limit 10 miles, you would probably not penalize me, right? You would tell me: Billie, I like you, but the rules are rules and speeding too much over the limit is not prohibited so be careful next time. Let's say I disregard your nice warning and next time you see me I am 20 miles over the limit, I am pretty sure that there would be no saving me from a penalty, no matter how charming I can be.

 

[Billie]

^^ As Broken said, Rafa's a quick learner. If they enforced it roughly from the start, he'd adjust. And they should enforce it from the start, but why they don't, only they can tell...

Maybe they don't want to upset him, like it or not Federer and Nadal have always had an upper hand in everything, sponsors, authority, influence, etc..I think it is really the case of not wanting to upset the top guys and hoping that they would follow the rules on their own. They get plenty of leniency in some of the cases, but sometimes some umpires just have enough of it.

How about Toni's coaching? Why does he keep doing it? He was warned a few times, but he does it anyway? There have been cases of players complaining about Toni and Rafa's talks during matches...these are just some examples:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/tennis/rafaelnadal/7857620/Wimbledon-2010-Rafael-Nadals-uncle-at-centre-of-illegal-coaching-row.html

http://en.espn.co.uk/tennis/sport/story/255151.html

http://larrybrownsports.com/tennis/rafael-nadal-uncle-toni-cheats-coaching-during-matches/196908

I think that as long as players or coaches can get away with something, they will keep doing it until they get penalized for it more often. Then you have an umpire, who actually tries to follow the rule, being punished, unless maybe he is happy that he doesn't have to deal with Rafa so it is really not a punishment for him.:lolz:

 

[britbox]

I've done a little reading, what there is to find, and it basically comes to the Telegraph declaring it to be so, but citing no source. Not even background, unnamed ones. It also bears pointing out that the Telegraph headline is damning to Nadal: "Nadal Makes a Mockery of Rule Book," implying that Rafa had something to do with Bernardes being withdrawn as a potential chair ump for his matches, which we don't even know to be true. So I would caution for a little closer attention to facts and sources before passing a lot of judgement.

The article does say that the ATP, which doesn't control majors, says that, “a number of factors are taken into consideration in the [umpire] selection process, including badge qualifications, nationality, as well as any previous history or incidents”. The article also cites some precedents for the last part. I would think it possible, if it is true, that the ITF may choose not to pressure Nadal with an umpire that he has had a recent run-in with, especially at a tournament as important as Roland Garros.

Players can get frustrated in matches, and sometimes take it out on the chair. That's certainly not novel.
For the record, and @Carol35, I think Carlos Bernardes is an excellent umpire. One of the best, and most genial.

Well, there used to be a general guideline on here that users should preferably link to a source... now the source must link to another source too? The Telegraph isn't actually a rag in the UK - it's regarded as a pretty serious paper - like a "Washington Post" type of publication.

Now of course that doesn't mean they ever get things wrong... but using a little bit of intuition and common sense, would you hazard a guess that the Nadal camp might have said something? Kind of feels a bit strange that an umpire gets pulled on a specific player's matches.

I suggested that Kirijax could have added a bit of analysis or perspective from his own reading of it. What he said only was "This should get everyone riled up for the French Open," so I guess the intention, jovially, was to let it be as inflammatory as the headline. All fine, but people can read for themselves that it doesn't offer anything in the way of a source. I know that the Telegraph is a real newspaper, but I agree with Kieran...you shouldn't have to use common sense and intuition in reading a news article. We don't have to believe it just because they wrote it. And I disagree with Mrzz...the phrase "The Telegraph can reveal..." is meaningless without a citation.

As somebody who speaks Spanish, is this video title a fair translation of what Nadal said to Bernardes in February?

[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQlXdrkL3HI[/video]

 

[Front242]

Whinging little baby. Obey the rules like everyone else or don't play tennis.