Carlos Bernardes Withdrawn for Nadal Matches

[Billie]

Whinging little baby. Obey the rules like everyone else or don't play tennis.

What does whinging mean? Never heard it before.uzzled

 

[Front242]

Whinging little baby. Obey the rules like everyone else or don't play tennis.

What does whinging mean? Never heard it before.uzzled

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/whinge

 

[Billie]

Whinging little baby. Obey the rules like everyone else or don't play tennis.

What does whinging mean? Never heard it before.uzzled

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/whinge

Thanks, I wanted you to explain it to me, not some online dictionary.:ras:

I don't know if it is worth remembering this word, it looks like mostly British use it and I am not one....but maybe I'll remember it and use it for my British friends.

 

[Front242]

What does whinging mean? Never heard it before.uzzled

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/whinge

Thanks, I wanted you to explain it to me, not some online dictionary.:ras:

I don't know if it is worth remembering this word, it looks like mostly British use it and I am not one....but maybe I'll remember it and use it for my British friends.

Moan, whine, whinge, complain, protest. All the same really Look any of those words up in the dictionary and this is what you see next to the description.

 

[Carol]

'cos iz the true, no? If he wants umpires to stop getting on his back he'd adhere to the rules. He can't be bothered so he and his camp came up with this ingenious plan instead: the title of the thread.

Front, you offer your interpretations of people's motivations and call them facts. Often.

Moxie, your favourite tennis player breaks the rules in every game of tennis he plays and that's a fact. Often.

In every game of tennis? really? well, never when he has beaten your fav and it has been several times

 

[Billie]

:laydownlaughing You are terrible Front, really!!!!!

 

[Front242]

Front, you offer your interpretations of people's motivations and call them facts. Often.

Moxie, your favourite tennis player breaks the rules in every game of tennis he plays and that's a fact. Often.

In every game of tennis? really? well, never when he has beaten your fav and it has been several times

No, he's taken dubious medical timeouts in a few of those. And yes, chances are Nadal has been over the time limit in every match he's played.

 

[Front242]

Btw Carol, just 'cos Nadal doesn't get penalized a point or first serve by an umpire who isn't a coward doesn't mean he didn't go over the time limit and break the rules numerous times during that match. It seems you think he's fine unless they penalize him. Well no, seeing as they rarely do and that's the point here.

 

[Kieran]

Bleh. This is a little bit like sissies complaining that the real world is a bittle real.

It ain't Rafa's problem, peeps.

 

[Carol]

Moxie, your favourite tennis player breaks the rules in every game of tennis he plays and that's a fact. Often.

In every game of tennis? really? well, never when he has beaten your fav and it has been several times

No, he's taken dubious medical timeouts in a few of those. And yes, chances are Nadal has been over the time limit in every match he's played.

If he has taken medical timeouts it was bc he needed it. You should stop to attack him with all your
madness, that's ugly and it doesn't say too much about you . Your fav is not perfect at all and I could do the same like you but why? do you think something is going to change? didn't like you to watch Nadal beaten him so many times? well, you should have assimilated it already, it's about time

 

[Front242]

In every game of tennis? really? well, never when he has beaten your fav and it has been several times

No, he's taken dubious medical timeouts in a few of those. And yes, chances are Nadal has been over the time limit in every match he's played.

If he has taken medical timeouts it was bc he needed it Yo should stop to attack him with all your madness, that's ugly and it doesn't say too much about you . Your fav is not prefect at all and I could do it the same but why? do you think something is going to change? didn't like you to watch Nadal beaten him so many times? well, you should have assimilated it already, it's about time

Yes, keep telling yourself that. We've seen multiple matches where he was running like a gazelle before and after his supposed injury so it appears they were tactical and not genuine injuries. I never said Federer was perfect and unlike you and other Nadal posters here I actually can admit he's wrong at times. I've already mentioned I don't really care about their h2h and blame Federer for many of those losses so keep your silly little wink to yourself.

 

[Front242]

Bleh. This is a little bit like sissies complaining that the real world is a bittle real.

It ain't Rafa's problem, peeps.

It is really. It shows a blatant lack of sportsmanship, a blatant disregard for the rules of the game and the cheek to actually complain if they actually do enforce the rules. Not to mention cowardly officials besides a handful.

 

[Carol]

Bleh. This is a little bit like sissies complaining that the real world is a bittle real.

It ain't Rafa's problem, peeps.

It is really. It shows a blatant lack of sportsmanship, a blatant disregard for the rules of the game and the cheek to actually complain if they actually do enforce the rules. Not to mention cowardly officials besides a handful.

You already make me laugh bc you are showing all your ......:laydownlaughing :lolz::ras: :snicker

 

[I.Haychew]

Bleh. This is a little bit like sissies complaining that the real world is a bittle real.

It ain't Rafa's problem, peeps.

It ain't Carlos' problem, either.

 

[Moxie]

Yeah maybe, I do so enjoy getting everyone riled up a bit at times.

Mission accomplished. Happy?

 

[brokenshoelace]

I think part of the reason for "bad blood" between Nadal and Carlos is not just the time violation thing, but that Carlos has messed up some calls in Nadal matches before.

The picture Front posted above was taken from the 2010 WTF, where Nadal was playing Berdych. Berdych hits a shot that seems to have gone long (but called in by the linesjudge), Nadal actually hits it back in play but then sort of halfheartedly raises his hand as if to challenge. As he's doing that, Carlos overrules the call and says "out."

Berdych challenges successfully and the ball was in. So instead of replaying the point, Carlos awards it to Berdych on the grounds that Nadal was going to challenge, and it was going to be an incorrect challenge.

Tough situation, but ultimately, that's a bad call. Nadal hit it back in play and the him challenging never actually happened due to Carlos overruling the call, so that one is on Carlos.

A couple of months later at the Australian Open, Nadal was playing Berdych again and Carlos was the umpire. During the first set tie-break, at 5-5, Berdych hits a ball that is clearly long. Nadal hits it back in play, and then wants to challenge as Berdych lines up what would have been an easy put-away. Carlos says he can't challenge as it was too late. So Nadal approaches him and says (and I'm paraphrasing here) "yes, it's true, it's a late challenge but you gotta do your job as an umpire and overrule this call. The ball was clearly out and you just can't be here ball watching and expect us players to play and umpire the match at the same time" which was a fair point.

Anyway, the reason I posted the above is to contribute something useful to this thread as 7 pages later, it's been nothing but silly bickering back-and-forth.

 

[britbox]

I think part of the reason for "bad blood" between Nadal and Carlos is not just the time violation thing, but that Carlos has messed up some calls in Nadal matches before.

The picture Front posted above was taken from the 2010 WTF, where Nadal was playing Berdych. Berdych hits a shot that seems to have gone long (but called in by the linesjudge), Nadal actually hits it back in play but then sort of halfheartedly raises his hand as if to challenge. As he's doing that, Carlos overrules the call and says "out."

Berdych challenges successfully and the ball was in. So instead of replaying the point, Carlos awards it to Berdych on the grounds that Nadal was going to challenge, and it was going to be an incorrect challenge.

Tough situation, but ultimately, that's a bad call. Nadal hit it back in play and the him challenging never actually happened due to Carlos overruling the call, so that one is on Carlos.

A couple of months later at the Australian Open, Nadal was playing Berdych again and Carlos was the umpire. During the first set tie-break, at 5-5, Berdych hits a ball that is clearly long. Nadal hits it back in play, and then wants to challenge as Berdych lines up what would have been an easy put-away. Carlos says he can't challenge as it was too late. So Nadal approaches him and says (and I'm paraphrasing here) "yes, it's true, it's a late challenge but you gotta do your job as an umpire and overrule this call. The ball was clearly out and you just can't be here ball watching and expect us players to play and umpire the match at the same time" which was a fair point.

Anyway, the reason I posted the above is to contribute something useful to this thread as 7 pages later, it's been nothing but silly bickering back-and-forth.

It's rather an unusual sequence of events...

[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJgYfTmzuYw[/video]

Nadal challenged the call (may have been half-hearted but that doesn't really matter)... it was a definite challenge and whether he kept the ball in play is pretty meaningless.

But, Carlos overruled the original call (slightly after the challenge) and was then challenged by Berdych... and it turns out the ball was in. Carlos did make a bad call overruling initially but justice was done because Nadal had made the decision to challenge slightly before Carlos made his call. If Carlos had said nothing - it was Berdych's point. Carlos' overule caused confusion but the end result was the same.

Not sure how the rule book deals with a sequence like this, but the match referee went with giving the point to Berdych. I doubt this sequence is even covered by the rule book.

 

[brokenshoelace]

I think part of the reason for "bad blood" between Nadal and Carlos is not just the time violation thing, but that Carlos has messed up some calls in Nadal matches before.

The picture Front posted above was taken from the 2010 WTF, where Nadal was playing Berdych. Berdych hits a shot that seems to have gone long (but called in by the linesjudge), Nadal actually hits it back in play but then sort of halfheartedly raises his hand as if to challenge. As he's doing that, Carlos overrules the call and says "out."

Berdych challenges successfully and the ball was in. So instead of replaying the point, Carlos awards it to Berdych on the grounds that Nadal was going to challenge, and it was going to be an incorrect challenge.

Tough situation, but ultimately, that's a bad call. Nadal hit it back in play and the him challenging never actually happened due to Carlos overruling the call, so that one is on Carlos.

A couple of months later at the Australian Open, Nadal was playing Berdych again and Carlos was the umpire. During the first set tie-break, at 5-5, Berdych hits a ball that is clearly long. Nadal hits it back in play, and then wants to challenge as Berdych lines up what would have been an easy put-away. Carlos says he can't challenge as it was too late. So Nadal approaches him and says (and I'm paraphrasing here) "yes, it's true, it's a late challenge but you gotta do your job as an umpire and overrule this call. The ball was clearly out and you just can't be here ball watching and expect us players to play and umpire the match at the same time" which was a fair point.

Anyway, the reason I posted the above is to contribute something useful to this thread as 7 pages later, it's been nothing but silly bickering back-and-forth.

It's rather an unusual sequence of events...

[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJgYfTmzuYw[/video]

Nadal challenged the call (may have been half-hearted but that doesn't really matter)... it was a definite challenge and whether he kept the ball in play is pretty meaningless.

But, Carlos overruled the original call (slightly after the challenge) and was then challenged by Berdych... and it turns out the ball was in. Carlos did make a bad call overruling initially but justice was done because Nadal had made the decision to challenge slightly before Carlos made his call. If Carlos had said nothing - it was Berdych's point. Carlos' overule caused confusion but the end result was the same.

Not sure how the rule book deals with a sequence like this, but the match referee went with giving the point to Berdych. I doubt this sequence is even covered by the rule book.

Yeah easily one of the strangest situations I've seen.

If we're going to go with what's right, Berdych should have been awarded the point, and he was. If Carlos didn't intervene, Nadal was going to challenge. But, officially, the call on the court was "out" (doesn't matter whether it was by the linesjudge or the umpire) and therefore, you could argue that whether Nadal raised his hand or not shouldn't matter since the ball was not a winner/forced error and the point should have been replayed.

Though I guess you could also argue that the ball was practically a winner since Nadal gave up on the point to challenge. Pretty weird situation but rules aside (whatever they are), that was Berdych's point.

 

[britbox]

^ On a sidenote, it got me to thinking... the difference between a bad call and a wrong call. Umps get hammered for bad calls... but most of the time they are wrong calls by a few millimetres.

 

[Fiero425]

What does whinging mean? Never heard it before. uzzled

- http://www.thefreedictionary.com/whinge

Thanks, I wanted you to explain it to me, not some online dictionary. :ras:

I don't know if it is worth remembering this word, it looks like mostly Britains use it and I am not one....but maybe I'll remember it and use it for my British friends.

I love that word; describes Andy's act all too vividly! lease: :cover :nono :angel: - Many do it, but Murray takes it to a new level; IMO bordering on Hamlet when things go "south!" Besides the constant "kvetchin," ya have to take notice of the injuries; real or imagined! They come and go along with the whining of "woe is me!":angel: :dodgy: