Carlos Bernardes Withdrawn for Nadal Matches

[brokenshoelace]

There were many in the past but they were reopened but closed temporarily as it seems many of the mods past and present can't take the heat when Nadal gets discussed in a negative fashion.

You do realize the only mod who's a Nadal fan is tented right? You do realize Riotbeard, Kskate and others aren't, right? You do realize Riotbeard is actually one of the people criticizing Nadal in this thread, right?

You do realize the thread was not closed when Nadal was cast in a negative light, but when, in the words of Kskate (who's not a Nadal fan) "veteran posters" indulged in trading insults, right? You do realize that has to do with posters taking jabs at each other and zero to do with Nadal, right?

You do realize how insufferable you're being, right?

I said past and present. Moxie was a mod before and is a Nadal fan.

You clearly implied this thread was closed because it was casting Nadal in a bad light, despite clear evidence to the contrary. Own up to it.

 

[tented]

There were many in the past but they were reopened but closed temporarily ...

Isn't that convenient. In other words, you have zero evidence to back up your claim. Correct? (That was rhetorical.)

... as it seems many of the mods past and present ...

This is truly funny because I'm the only Nadal fan among the admins/mods, and we work by majority vote. There was only ever one other Nadal fan among us, but even then, two didn't represent a majority.

... can't take the heat when Nadal gets discussed in a negative fashion.

This is blatantly false. The forum is saturated with Nadal getting discussed in a negative fashion. You, of all people, must be acutely aware of that fact.

 

[Front242]

You do realize the only mod who's a Nadal fan is tented right? You do realize Riotbeard, Kskate and others aren't, right? You do realize Riotbeard is actually one of the people criticizing Nadal in this thread, right?

You do realize the thread was not closed when Nadal was cast in a negative light, but when, in the words of Kskate (who's not a Nadal fan) "veteran posters" indulged in trading insults, right? You do realize that has to do with posters taking jabs at each other and zero to do with Nadal, right?

You do realize how insufferable you're being, right?

I said past and present. Moxie was a mod before and is a Nadal fan.

You clearly implied this thread was closed because it was casting Nadal in a bad light, despite clear evidence to the contrary. Own up to it.

I've no idea why they closed it. Only they can say why it was closed but either way you don't often see non Nadal related threads closed unless it's about the unspeakable doping thread. That **** is dope, man.

 

[tented]

This is almost too easy... :snicker

And point out the section in which Carol specifically defends Rafa taking too much time.

Lol! You can't be that obtuse mate. Read my post. I said you guys get uber defensive about his wrong doing. I didn't specify your tactics. That post I showed you is defensive to anyone with a bit of common sense. There's no leg to stand on mate... let it go

Read my post. I asked "point out even one Rafa fan who has defended his doing this [taking too long between points]." You didn't.

 

[Carol]

No, I don't believe so. He's capable of speeding up, if only reluctantly. He takes so long because they allow him to...

Except when Bernardes holds him to it. Then the ump get's sh*t-can kicked to the curb. :snicker

Sheesh, Nadal has abused the rules since he started on tour. Harken back to the Indian Wells match a few years ago. On match point he needed to go the bathroom and was grated the right to do so. The man is not as classy as everyone assumes.

So now you are going to say that Roger never has gone to the bathroom ? is he more classy?
This is getting more and more ridiculous :nono

 

[Front242]

Broken is about the only one who ever admits Nadal does anything wrong here. The majority of the rest think he can do no wrong. Carol thinks he's the next pope.

 

[Front242]

Except when Bernardes holds him to it. Then the ump get's sh*t-can kicked to the curb. :snicker

Sheesh, Nadal has abused the rules since he started on tour. Harken back to the Indian Wells match a few years ago. On match point he needed to go the bathroom and was grated the right to do so. The man is not as classy as everyone assumes.

So now you are going to say that Roger never has gone to the bathroom ? is he more classy?
This is getting more and more ridiculous :nono

Yes, he did have one questionable occasion against Davydenko where the sun was in his eyes and I don't approve of that but it was at the start of set 2 I believe. Compare that with Nadal taking a bathroom break before Federer served for the match at Indian Wells. Pretty clear which is worse.

 

[tented]

Broken is about the only one who ever admits Nadal does anything wrong here. The majority of the rest think he can do no wrong. Carol thinks he's the next pope.

Kieran, Moxie, AP, Broken, and myself have all criticized Rafa for taking too much time (here, and elsewhere). Carol does get fangirlish, true, but that's one user. One is less than five.

So who are the "majority of the rest [who] think he can do no wrong"?

 

[Riotbeard]

This. The big question: Do Federberg and Britbox have the moral courage to point out the posts in which Rafa fans canonized him?

This thread has become ridiculous ...

Everytime you guys get uber defensive about his wrong doing mate. The guy apparently can do no wrong in your eyes. If Roger does something wrong I'll be happy to agree. But for you guys your default mode is to defend him :nono

I know of no Rafa fan who has ever made the claim he can do no wrong. Rafa fans are willing to criticize him, including -- especially -- when it comes to taking too much time.

Seriously, point out even one Rafa fan who has defended his doing this.

I'll wait ...

I agree with you tented, most nadal fans acknowledge the time wasting and don't like it. This thread is not really about the time wasting, but using his clout to not have Bernardas as his ump. The issue at hand is the only thing I can say that nadal has done on a human level that I really dislike. In general, I don't know these people in any real way. Most of the reasons I dislike Nadal are gut instinct or small things. This one is in my opinion pretty gross and unfair.

I haven't seen Nadal fans be very critical of him about the issue at hand.

Discussing his time-wasting (except for background purposes) actually obfuscates (I get to use this word! I hope did it right) what this thread is about. This is about whether or not Nadal was acting like an entitled player, trying to make it so he does not have to play by the same rules as everyone else... That might be a harsh take on it but it is mine.

Nadal is not the devil. I don't think this thread constitutes character assignation. Entitled behavior really gets on my nerves, so it's a huge pet-peeve for me, and makes me like nadal much less. By all means still like Rafa. I agree that Novak's tax-sheltering is a little gross. I am not sure that it is hypocritical, as I never heard he was a socialist, but it seems selfish to me.

 

[Federberg]

I know of no Rafa fan who has ever made the claim he can do no wrong. Rafa fans are willing to criticize him, including -- especially -- when it comes to taking too much time.

Seriously, point out even one Rafa fan who has defended his doing this.

I'll wait ...

This is almost too easy... :snicker

It's about time that jerk withdrawn for Nadal matches. He should put more attention to those ones which smash the racquets, insulting the crowd, kicking the adds around the court and after every point they walk in slow motion before the serve, all those things takes a lot more seconds :cover

Federberg, you've exposed the truth. Carol is actually a common account that Moxie, tented, Kieran, A-P and myself use. Therefore, she represents ALL Nadal fans.

Jesus this place has become unbearable.

I know you speak English, so I'll assume this post is just pointless sarcasm. Point out where I specified the Nadal fans I was talking about?? Carol is a Nadal fan unless I'm mistaken. Try not to think everything is about you mate. You'll be happier. Perhaps you should have been the one to set Carol right, but you didn't so the rest of us did

 

[Front242]

Broken is about the only one who ever admits Nadal does anything wrong here. The majority of the rest think he can do no wrong. Carol thinks he's the next pope.

Kieran, Moxie, AP, Broken, and myself have all criticized Rafa for taking too much time (here, and elsewhere). Carol does get fangirlish, true, but that's one user. One is less than five.

So who are the "majority of the rest [who] think he can do no wrong"?

Wow, you admitted he takes too long. That's 'cos you haven't a leg to stand on with that one. There are tons of other things he does wrong that you all defend, besides Broken who is pretty much the only one who admits wrongdoing.

 

[Federberg]

Everytime you guys get uber defensive about his wrong doing mate. The guy apparently can do no wrong in your eyes. If Roger does something wrong I'll be happy to agree. But for you guys your default mode is to defend him :nono

I know of no Rafa fan who has ever made the claim he can do no wrong. Rafa fans are willing to criticize him, including -- especially -- when it comes to taking too much time.

Seriously, point out even one Rafa fan who has defended his doing this.

I'll wait ...

I agree with you tented, most nadal fans acknowledge the time wasting and don't like it. This thread is not really about the time wasting, but using his clout to not have Bernardas as his ump. The issue at hand is the only thing I can say that nadal has done on a human level that I really dislike. In general, I don't know these people in any real way. Most of the reasons I dislike Nadal are gut instinct or small things. This one is in my opinion pretty gross and unfair.

I haven't seen Nadal fans be very critical of him about the issue at hand.

Discussing his time-wasting (except for background purposes) actually obfuscates (I get to use this word! I hope did it right) what this thread is about. This is about whether or not Nadal was acting like an entitled player, trying to make it so he does not have to play by same rules as everyone else... That might be a harsh take on it but it is mine.

Nadal is not the devil. I don't think this thread constitutes character assignation. Entitled behavior really gets on my nerves, so it's a huge pet-peeve for me, and makes me like nadal much less. By all means still like Rafa. I agree that Novak's tax-sheltering is a little gross. I am not sure that it is hypocritical, as I never heard he was a socialist, but it seems selfish to me.

Fair balanced common sense. That's how it should be! No need for fans to get defensive when their players faults are discussed. I have no problem acknowledging Roger has faults. For goodness sakes, who cares. I like the way the guy plays tennis. That doesn't translate into having to support every thing the man does. Jeepers!

 

[Front242]

So true. These guys all do dumb things but to support their dumb things is equally dumb.

 

[Federberg]

And point out the section in which Carol specifically defends Rafa taking too much time.

Lol! You can't be that obtuse mate. Read my post. I said you guys get uber defensive about his wrong doing. I didn't specify your tactics. That post I showed you is defensive to anyone with a bit of common sense. There's no leg to stand on mate... let it go

Read my post. I asked "point out even one Rafa fan who has defended his doing this [taking too long between points]." You didn't.

Why on earth should I allow you to frame what I say to suit your purposes? Behave! If you want to challenge me, do it based on what I say, not what you think I"m saying

 

[tented]

Broken is about the only one who ever admits Nadal does anything wrong here. The majority of the rest think he can do no wrong. Carol thinks he's the next pope.

Kieran, Moxie, AP, Broken, and myself have all criticized Rafa for taking too much time (here, and elsewhere). Carol does get fangirlish, true, but that's one user. One is less than five.

So who are the "majority of the rest [who] think he can do no wrong"?

Wow, you admitted he takes too long. That's 'cos you haven't a leg to stand on with that one.

Why are you acting like this is the first time? It's not. Just because you can type something, that doesn't mean it's true.

There are tons of other things he does wrong that you all defend, besides Broken who is pretty much the only one who admits wrongdoing.

This is false. Read Riotbeard's acknowledgement that Rafa fans admit to his wrongdoings. Why would he have posted that if Broken is "pretty much the only one who admits wrongdoing"? Or are Novak fans incapable of perceiving this clearly, and only certain Fed fans can see the truth?

 

[Carol]

This is almost too easy... :snicker

Federberg, you've exposed the truth. Carol is actually a common account that Moxie, tented, Kieran, A-P and myself use. Therefore, she represents ALL Nadal fans.

Jesus this place has become unbearable.

I know you speak English, so I'll assume this post is just pointless sarcasm. Point out where I specified the Nadal fans I was talking about?? Carol is a Nadal fan unless I'm mistaken. Try not to think
everything is about you mate. You'll be happier. Perhaps you should have been the one to set Carol right, but you didn't so the rest of us did

Pssss, it's funny that you and Front242 are talking about "fans and fangirlsh" when reading all your post it seems that you would be the winners of a Roger's fans contest :lolz: :laydownlaughing

 

[Federberg]

Federberg, you've exposed the truth. Carol is actually a common account that Moxie, tented, Kieran, A-P and myself use. Therefore, she represents ALL Nadal fans.

Jesus this place has become unbearable.

I know you speak English, so I'll assume this post is just pointless sarcasm. Point out where I specified the Nadal fans I was talking about?? Carol is a Nadal fan unless I'm mistaken. Try not to think
everything is about you mate. You'll be happier. Perhaps you should have been the one to set Carol right, but you didn't so the rest of us did

Pssss, it's funny that you and Front242 are talking about "fans and fangirlsh" when reading all your post it seems that you would be the winners of a Roger's fans contest :lolz: :laydownlaughing

We are admittedly fans of his tennis. We make no bones about that But we have both been known to step up and criticise Roger about things we don't agree with. Liking the mans tennis doesn't excuse tennis players from behaviour we don't agree with. Can you say the same?

 

[tented]

Lol! You can't be that obtuse mate. Read my post. I said you guys get uber defensive about his wrong doing. I didn't specify your tactics. That post I showed you is defensive to anyone with a bit of common sense. There's no leg to stand on mate... let it go

Read my post. I asked "point out even one Rafa fan who has defended his doing this [taking too long between points]." You didn't.

Why on earth should I allow you to frame what I say to suit your purposes? Behave! If you want to challenge me, do it based on what I say, not what you think I"m saying

I'll take that as a concession you can't point one out. Thanks!

 

[Front242]

^ Maybe we both just have better things to do than succumb to this silly tirade.

 

[Riotbeard]

There are tons of other things he does wrong that you all defend, besides Broken who is pretty much the only one who admits wrongdoing.

This is false. Read Riotbeard's acknowledgement that Rafa fans admit to his wrongdoings. Why would he have posted that if Broken is "pretty much the only one who admits wrongdoing"? Or are Novak fans incapable of perceiving this clearly, and only certain Fed fans can see the truth?

I said they admit to time wasting but have been strangely silent on the issue at hand. So I would not say that so far in this thread "Rafa fans admit to [all] his wrongdoings," but time wasting is indisputable. The question at hand is one of moral philosophy. Should Rafa be allowed to not be officiated by those who enforce the main rule he breaks? And, how do you interpret on a character level the fact that he thought he should be able to ask that (and was granted it)?