Carlos Bernardes Withdrawn for Nadal Matches

[Riotbeard]

Oh, also Broken's point about the real world is ridiculous. Clearly we know what the real world as like as there are numerous articles posted in this thread about Rafa abusing his influence to keep bernardes from officiating his matches. Do you really think Rafa should get to play by different rules by nature of his money and success?! If it were Novak, I would at least admit that it is a douche move. I would still like Novak, but I would dislike that action and call it for what it is.

Nah the level of comprehension on these forums is ridiculous.

That's the real world whether you like it or not. Successful people in a position of power get privileges that others don't. That doesn't make it right, but it is what it is. You think THAT is ridiculous? Then I question which world you've been living in.

No, I think you're point is ridiculous. You are not presenting a hard truth that we don't have the stones to acknowledge. Everybody knows the point you are making and nobody disagrees, because that is exactly what has happened. The idea that Rafa may deserve that type of influence is gross. The question is whether Rafa should be able to do this, not whether he did or whether this is the crappy standard the ATP operates on. The answers to the second two questions are self-evident. There is no need to answer them.

 

[Front242]

Broken , I haven't seen a Rafa fan say that Rafa shouldn't be penalized if he exceeds the limit. Most of them are pretty honest. Heck, I even said that Rafa is quilty of exceeding the time limits. However, this board especially the jealous fans of his success look for every bit of bullcrap to try to make him look like he is the "Tom Brady or Bill B " of tennis. We will see how the next few months pan out to see if Rafa gets closer to their "Beloved or the one they currently "love".

It's got nothing to do with jealously of his success. Despite being a similarly slow individual in terms of play, I actually don't mind Del Potro but likewise his conduct is unprofessional. For guys with big serves Isner and Raonic are quite slow too. Stalling play is poor whoever you are.

I disagree.. its all about the number 14 and 17.. Plain and simple. Do you think that 4 to 5 secs means that his number of GS titles would be less than 14 or his numerous master series titles or other titles would be lessen. Just for once , look how silly all of this is. Damn

You have no idea how much the stalling annoys his opponents but I'd imagine it's a lot given how many complain about him. Yes, those seconds make a difference when he takes ages to get his breath back after running like a gazelle during long rallies. He shouldn't be allowed any extra time over anyone else and if he was out of puff and out of focus by adhering to the rules of course key points would suffer. And no it's got nothing to do with 14 and 17. Even if the guy had zero slams there's enough about him for me and many others to still consider him a complete t**t

 

[brokenshoelace]

Oh, also Broken's point about the real world is ridiculous. Clearly we know what the real world as like as there are numerous articles posted in this thread about Rafa abusing his influence to keep bernardes from officiating his matches. Do you really think Rafa should get to play by different rules by nature of his money and success?! If it were Novak, I would at least admit that it is a douche move. I would still like Novak, but I would dislike that action and call it for what it is.

Nah the level of comprehension on these forums is ridiculous.

That's the real world whether you like it or not. Successful people in a position of power get privileges that others don't. That doesn't make it right, but it is what it is. You think THAT is ridiculous? Then I question which world you've been living in.

No, I think you're point is ridiculous. You are not presenting a hard truth that we don't have the stones to acknowledge. Everybody knows the point you are making and nobody disagrees, because that is exactly what has happened. The idea that Rafa may deserve that type of influence is gross. The question is whether Rafa should be able to do this, not whether he did or whether this is the crappy standard the ATP operates on. The answers to the second two questions are self-evident. There is no need to answer them.

Yes, Nadal has earned the right to have more influence than most other players. That is not the least bit ridiculous. He's worked harder than most (or made the most of his talent, or both), and has paid his dues.

I said the move is too dramatic. It's definitely a douche move. But yes, he's earned the right to have an influence. You REALLY don't understand how the real world works if you think that's ridiculous.

But please, do continue to talk about how 5-10 extra seconds are a moral disaster. THAT is how the real world works.

 

[brokenshoelace]

It's got nothing to do with jealously of his success. Despite being a similarly slow individual in terms of play, I actually don't mind Del Potro but likewise his conduct is unprofessional. For guys with big serves Isner and Raonic are quite slow too. Stalling play is poor whoever you are.

I disagree.. its all about the number 14 and 17.. Plain and simple. Do you think that 4 to 5 secs means that his number of GS titles would be less than 14 or his numerous master series titles or other titles would be lessen. Just for once , look how silly all of this is. Damn

You have no idea how much the stalling annoys his opponents but I'd imagine it's a lot given how many complain about him. Yes, those seconds make a difference when he takes ages to get his breath back after running like a gazelle during long rallies. He shouldn't be allowed any extra time over anyone else and if he was out of puff and out of focus by adhering to the rules of course key points would suffer. And no it's got nothing to do with 14 and 17. Even if the guy had zero slams there's enough about him for me and many others to still consider him a complete t**t

Again, taking 5-10 extra seconds before a serve are "enough for people to consider him a complete t**t."

GET THE HELL OFF YOUR HIGH HORSES. Jesus.

 

[Riotbeard]

Nah the level of comprehension on these forums is ridiculous.

That's the real world whether you like it or not. Successful people in a position of power get privileges that others don't. That doesn't make it right, but it is what it is. You think THAT is ridiculous? Then I question which world you've been living in.

No, I think you're point is ridiculous. You are not presenting a hard truth that we don't have the stones to acknowledge. Everybody knows the point you are making and nobody disagrees, because that is exactly what has happened. The idea that Rafa may deserve that type of influence is gross. The question is whether Rafa should be able to do this, not whether he did or whether this is the crappy standard the ATP operates on. The answers to the second two questions are self-evident. There is no need to answer them.

Yes, Nadal has earned the right to have more influence than most other players. That is not the least bit ridiculous. He's worked harder than most (or made the most of his talent, or both), and has paid his dues.

I said the move is too dramatic. It's definitely a douche move. But yes, he's earned the right to have an influence. You REALLY don't understand how the real world works if you think that's ridiculous.

But please, do continue to talk about how 5-10 extra seconds are a moral disaster. THAT is how the real world works.

Glad you admitted that it's a douche move. I still think it's ridiculous that any player should be able to influence who officiates him. Realistic to the way capital works, sure. Right? No.

 

[Front242]

I disagree.. its all about the number 14 and 17.. Plain and simple. Do you think that 4 to 5 secs means that his number of GS titles would be less than 14 or his numerous master series titles or other titles would be lessen. Just for once , look how silly all of this is. Damn

You have no idea how much the stalling annoys his opponents but I'd imagine it's a lot given how many complain about him. Yes, those seconds make a difference when he takes ages to get his breath back after running like a gazelle during long rallies. He shouldn't be allowed any extra time over anyone else and if he was out of puff and out of focus by adhering to the rules of course key points would suffer. And no it's got nothing to do with 14 and 17. Even if the guy had zero slams there's enough about him for me and many others to still consider him a complete t**t

Again, taking 5-10 extra seconds before a serve are "enough for people to consider him a complete t**t."

GET THE HELL OFF YOUR HIGH HORSES. Jesus.

Did you read it properly? Apparently not. See the bolded part above again. Properly this time. The time wasting is just one thing but there are many reasons I consider him a complete t**t.

 

[brokenshoelace]

You have no idea how much the stalling annoys his opponents but I'd imagine it's a lot given how many complain about him. Yes, those seconds make a difference when he takes ages to get his breath back after running like a gazelle during long rallies. He shouldn't be allowed any extra time over anyone else and if he was out of puff and out of focus by adhering to the rules of course key points would suffer. And no it's got nothing to do with 14 and 17. Even if the guy had zero slams there's enough about him for me and many others to still consider him a complete t**t

Again, taking 5-10 extra seconds before a serve are "enough for people to consider him a complete t**t."

GET THE HELL OFF YOUR HIGH HORSES. Jesus.

Did you read it properly? Apparently not. See the bolded part above again. Properly this time. The time wasting is just one thing but there are many reasons I consider him a complete t**t.

Name a few, and you'll still come off like a holier than though hypocrite. I'll bet my house on it.

 

[Front242]

I haven't the time or patience as it's late here but I might list them for you at some stage. Bring your fellow Nadal friends. I got crayons!

 

[the AntiPusher]

You have no idea how much the stalling annoys his opponents but I'd imagine it's a lot given how many complain about him. Yes, those seconds make a difference when he takes ages to get his breath back after running like a gazelle during long rallies. He shouldn't be allowed any extra time over anyone else and if he was out of puff and out of focus by adhering to the rules of course key points would suffer. And no it's got nothing to do with 14 and 17. Even if the guy had zero slams there's enough about him for me and many others to still consider him a complete t**t

Again, taking 5-10 extra seconds before a serve are "enough for people to consider him a complete t**t."

GET THE HELL OFF YOUR HIGH HORSES. Jesus.

Did you read it properly? Apparently not. See the bolded part above again. Properly this time. The time wasting is just one thing but there are many reasons I consider him a complete t**t.

Front, I told you before. I play against ex pros(male and females) every weekend. they have NEVER said 4 to 5 seconds bothered them at the junior, college or pro level. I play in USTA and other tournaments, We have NEVER complained about 4 to 5 seconds. again Damn. I have never seen coach at any level mention it.

 

[Front242]

So if it's not a big deal why then does he get penalized for it and why does he kick up a stink and have Bernades removed from his matches? I think you know the answer is the extra time most clearly DOES matter. Anyway, I'm off but I'll no doubt read some enlightening replies tomorrow.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

The notion that some people are advancing is that "people don't pay money to watch Carlos".
That can be said of any umpire. Does it mean we run grand slam matches as a "free for all'
matches like club matches where players make their own line calls and settle all disputes
by themselves.

In order for the sport to run smoothly, we need the services of umpires and linesmen. Just
because they are not stars, it does not mean they are dispensable.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Here is an article from tennis.com on
the issue.

The primary culprit here is ATP?ITF the governing bodies of professional tennis. They
try to keep everything a secret. This is the same problem they had with drugs/doping/silent ban
issues.

The firs thing that we need is open and honest administration of professional tennis.
Then most of the other problems will go away.

 

[bajana]

Apparently Djokovic was asked about the matter today and he is reported to have said: " i remember umpires i wasn't happy with but i never thought of requesting them to change. It is not fair for them".

The question now being asked is, since the ATP is to all intents and purposes it would seem, allowing one player to determine if an umpire stands in his match, would they (ITF in this case), acquiesce if Djokovic asks specifically for Bernardes to do the QF match? After all, according to the person arguing "a real world occurrence", Djokovic is World #1 and surely supercedes Nadal in the pecking order

 

[nehmeth]

Apparently Djokovic was asked about the matter today and he is reported to have said: " i remember umpires i wasn't happy with but i never thought of requesting them to change. It is not fair for them".

The question now being asked is, since the ATP is to all intents and purposes it would seem, allowing one player to determine if an umpire stands in his match, would they (ITF in this case), acquiesce if Djokovic asks specifically for Bernardes to do the QF match? After all, according to the person arguing "a real world occurrence", Djokovic is World #1 and surely supercedes Nadal in the pecking order

Methinks 14 to 8 slam count supersedes present #1. That said, I am positive Novak would never do that bajana. That's just not how he rolls. :nono

 

[the AntiPusher]

Apparently Djokovic was asked about the matter today and he is reported to have said: " i remember umpires i wasn't happy with but i never thought of requesting them to change. It is not fair for them".

The question now being asked is, since the ATP is to all intents and purposes it would seem, allowing one player to determine if an umpire stands in his match, would they (ITF in this case), acquiesce if Djokovic asks specifically for Bernardes to do the QF match? After all, according to the person arguing "a real world occurrence", Djokovic is World #1 and surely supercedes Nadal in the pecking order

Methinks 14 to 8 slam count supersedes present #1. That said, I am positive Novak would never do that bajana. That's just not how he rolls. :nono

So this was an ongoing incident between Carlos, Djoker and Rafa is this correct if not , why is Novak commentating on Rafa business.

 

[Riotbeard]

Apparently Djokovic was asked about the matter today and he is reported to have said: " i remember umpires i wasn't happy with but i never thought of requesting them to change. It is not fair for them".

The question now being asked is, since the ATP is to all intents and purposes it would seem, allowing one player to determine if an umpire stands in his match, would they (ITF in this case), acquiesce if Djokovic asks specifically for Bernardes to do the QF match? After all, according to the person arguing "a real world occurrence", Djokovic is World #1 and surely supercedes Nadal in the pecking order

Methinks 14 to 8 slam count supersedes present #1. That said, I am positive Novak would never do that bajana. That's just not how he rolls. :nono

So this was an ongoing incident between Carlos, Djoker and Rafa is this correct if not , why is Novak commentating on Rafa business.

It's public record, duh?! It has to do with governing body he is a part of? Maybe rafa shouldn't address it in his presser if he doesn't want public comment. Hardly Novak's fault.

 

[kskate2]

This thread is being closed for now. It is disappointing to see some of the language used between some of our veteran posters.

 

[tented]

Now that everyone has had some time to chill a bit, it's reopened.

Also, nothing was deleted. Not one word, nevertheless an entire post. This wasn't an exercise in censorship; it was to get everyone to step away for a few hours, relax, take a few deep breaths, then come back.

But kskate2 is right about the language. The word filters are in place to prevent profanity; they're not designed as a challenge to devise ways to circumvent them.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Corruption by governing bodies of sports is not uncommon. Just today, the FBI is closing in on
corruption charges against FIFA Officials. Read more about this on CNN.

I understand that Tennis Froniter wants to be on good books of ATP/ITF. But, that does
not mean we should blindly accept whatever they do without looking into whether it is
reasonable or at least talking about it to raise awareness.

What does it mean when they say, they won't comment on how they select umpires for tennis matches? How would it look like if they say, they won't tell you how the draw is made and
you just have to trust them? Honest, Open, Transparent and Unbiased (not just towards
specific players, but also to the image of the sport itself) administration is needed
at both the ATP and ITF.

 

[tented]

I understand that Tennis Froniter wants to be on good books of ATP/ITF. But, that does
not mean we should blindly accept whatever they do without looking into whether it is
reasonable or at least talking about it to raise awareness.

:huh: I truly don't know what this means.