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I wanted to shout out @mrzz for giving us the Fonseca run-up to the AO. I don't see how any of us would have known his recent run of wins in challengers, and, even though we have our eyes on him, it might have seemed more out of left field, beating Rublev today. Anyway, I thought it was fun to have it on our radar together as a really possible upset, which came good!
You are being nice to me, so I will not hate you for a full 10 (ten) seconds.

Good ol' @El Dude has been tracking him for a while as well. First time I mentioned JF here was when he won the boy's US Open back in 2023, played Tien in the final. I saw that match, I was sure Tien would win, I thought it would be impossible for a kid to keep up with that level of aggression. I don't know exactly what I wrote back then, but surely it was superlative. Maybe I will track down that post, it was obvious he was something else.
 
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You are being nice to me, so I will not hate you for a full 10 (ten) seconds.

Good ol' @El Dude has been tracking him for a while as well. First time I mentioned JF here was when he won the boy's US Open back in 2023, played Tien in the final. I saw that match, I was sure Tien would win, I thought it would be impossible for a kid to keep up with that level of aggression. I don't know exactly what I wrote back then, but surely it was superlative. Maybe I will track down that post, it was obvious he was something else.
As I said, we have had our eyes on him, and it was El Dude that started calling him Fonzie, but it would have been easy to overlook this particular run of form and jump up in level (including in the Next Gen finals, I think) without your help. And I thought that added to our collective enjoyment of the upset.

Anyway, if I understood the Tennis Channel correctly, the odds makers have made Fonseca #7 or #8 favorite to win the tournament on the men's side? So it seems it's not just some Brazilian fans who are getting ahead of themselves anymore. LOL.
 
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As I said, we have had our eyes on him, and it was El Dude that started calling him Fonzie, but it would have been easy to overlook this particular run of form and jump up in level (including in the Next Gen finals, I think) without your help. And I thought that added to our collective enjoyment of the upset.

Anyway, if I understood the Tennis Channel correctly, the odds makers have made Fonseca #7 or #8 favorite to win the tournament on the men's side? So it seems it's not just some Brazilian fans who are getting ahead of themselves anymore. LOL.
Yes, suddenly everyone is talking about the kid, now is the real test on his (and his team) strength to keep him focused. He can we'll lose on the very next round, but he showed the word he can compete with anyone.

I tracked down and my first post about him was this one:

Post in thread '2023 ATP General News' https://www.tennisfrontier.com/threads/2023-atp-general-news.7586/post-521803

But quite interesting is the one I posted after his win in Madrid last year:

Post in thread 'Mutua Madrid Open, Madrid, Spain, 2024 - Masters 1000' https://www.tennisfrontier.com/thre...drid-spain-2024-masters-1000.7918/post-533847

I forgot about that match. But it was crazy to see a (then) 17 years old completely turn around a match the way he did. Not only he adjusted, but he kept the confidence to keep going for his shots.
 

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Yes, suddenly everyone is talking about the kid, now is the real test on his (and his team) strength to keep him focused. He can we'll lose on the very next round, but he showed the word he can compete with anyone.

I tracked down and my first post about him was this one:

Post in thread '2023 ATP General News' https://www.tennisfrontier.com/threads/2023-atp-general-news.7586/post-521803

But quite interesting is the one I posted after his win in Madrid last year:

Post in thread 'Mutua Madrid Open, Madrid, Spain, 2024 - Masters 1000' https://www.tennisfrontier.com/thre...drid-spain-2024-masters-1000.7918/post-533847

I forgot about that match. But it was crazy to see a (then) 17 years old completely turn around a match the way he did. Not only he adjusted, but he kept the confidence to keep going for his shots.
Well, I had Fonseca over for dinner a few weeks ago….. ; ) and told him that he was going to have a good AO run…

Top that Mrzz & ElDude !!!
 

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For what its worth, I'm 98% sold on Fonzie becoming an elite player - at the very least in the Zverev/Medvedev range, and probably better. It takes a lot to add that "probably" at such an early stage, but I feel confident enough to be on that bandwagon. Meaning, I feel pretty strongly that he's going to be what we thought Rune might be: third of a new Big Three. I am wary of wishful thinking, though, as I seem to have taken to him more than the other two (both of whom I like but haven't attached to).

What I am less certain of is how quickly that will happen. A week ago I think I predicted he'd end the year at #38; after the Rublev defeat, that looks somewhat conservative and I'm revising my year-end prediction to #18, with the caveat that if Sonego or Foe spank him, I could be thinking "Maybe #28 was wiser?" But at this point I wouldn't be surprised if he finishes anywhere between #5 and #50. He could be starting a "Rafacarazian" surge, or he could stall out somewhere on his way up, perhaps being schooled by a big dog and people figure him out, and it takes a bit to adjust. There's got to be a learning curve, right? But even so, I'm all-in. This kid is going to be a great - but how great, and how quickly consistently great, remains to be seen.

I'm very pleased with the tour right now - it is the most exciting it has been since the freshness of the Big Four began to wear off...maybe back in 2013-14? Really, I was happy through 2017, after Andy had his big year and Roger and Rafa resurged. That felt like the full cycle was complete. I know Rafa and Novak diehards might feel differently, but by 2018 it was just getting tedious. And of course for me tennis died a bit in July of 2019, then we had the Covid affair. 2021-23 felt a bit like the US Congress: a bunch of dinosaurs hanging on, blocking the new blood. I mean, enough already! Alcaraz's emergence in 2022 was a blessing and softened the blow and gave us the first sense that the era was ending. So 2024 was a welcome regime change - the era truly over; or rather, the new era fully begun. Even if Novak resurges, he's never going to dominate like he did in 2023 - not with the young and talented field.

But consider...you've got two bonafide young greats in their early primes. You've got a potential third young great just starting to show spring's bloom. Then you've got a deep and varied field of talented guys that are going to make the top 10 overflow into a deep top 20 with a lot of Masters contenders and Slam darkhorses, and a few guys with a real chance of trying to make it a Big Four or Five. And I love the variety of it all: Players ranging from the immensely talented but erratic Nordic godling to the steady little Australian Demon. You've got sneaky latish bloomers like Draper, and the cucked-but-dangerous Zverev. You've got some good Frenchmen, even! The minor leagues seems to be churning up some real talent like Mensik, Michelsen, Tien, etc; gone are the days when you get the occasional DImitrov or Raonic - now they seem to becoming in bushel-loads. Even the fact that old dogs like Novak, Grigor, and Monfils are still hanging around and doing something; and how can we not hope that Kei surprises and takes at least a small title?

Anyhow, good times in the tennis world. Let's enjoy this.
 
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Interesting to see Novak lose the second set to #125 Faria - a young guy, just 21 years old. I know Novak will lose early sets in early rounds, but this feels a bit more worrisome than the last round.
 
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Matches on outside courts have been suspended due to rain
The 3 courts with roofs, RLA, MCA and John Cain Arena are currently in play
MCA Ruud v Mensik
John Cain Arena Draper v Kokkinakas
Play has now resumed on the outside courts, that were suspended due to rain earlier
 
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How the hell he thinks he measures that success is an excellent question.
Agree, he apparently likes the close court side banter between the players and their coaches, he said it adds a new dimension for tennis and is great for the fans? that is Craig's personal opinion, which dosent equate to me in terms of success
 
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Agree, he apparently likes the close court side banter between the players and their coaches, he said it adds a new dimension for tennis and is great for the fans? that is Craig's personal opinion, which dosent equate to me in terms of success
For organizers it is surely a win: is one less thing to enforce, and that was a difficult one. But that does not equate to success.

For old school fans (like me), it makes the game less attractive. But how much people actually care about it? And, would anyone stop following the game because of that?

In the end, professional sport exist to entertain the public. Is the show better because of on court coaching? Again, for me it is not, but that's just me. In the end, I guess most of the public does not even care, so they'll go with the easiest solution. The "success" talk is just pure bull shit.
 

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For organizers it is surely a win: is one less thing to enforce, and that was a difficult one. But that does not equate to success.

For old school fans (like me), it makes the game less attractive. But how much people actually care about it? And, would anyone stop following the game because of that?

In the end, professional sport exist to entertain the public. Is the show better because of on court coaching? Again, for me it is not, but that's just me. In the end, I guess most of the public does not even care, so they'll go with the easiest solution. The "success" talk is just pure bull shit.
Quite frankly I never thought I would see the day 'coaching would be allowed' in tennis full stop. Call me 'old fashioned, tennis is an 'individual sport' players to me at this level should be able to work things out on their own, it is a part of the game.Yes tennis does exist to entertain people, but I agree with your thoughts, I dont think tennis is better off with coaching being allowed. I also feel the fans have just accepted the fact coaching is allowed and that wont stop them following the game
 

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How on earth FAA lost after 2 sets up and against Fokina who is in poor form lately?
A couple more surprises overnight, apart from that match
Mensik d Ruud in 4 sets, I am not really surprised that Ruud lost, I watched his first match he was lucky to escape against Munar in 5 sets
Aussie Vukic d Korda (22) in 5 sets

Mensik career record v top 10 now 5-3
Michelsen, Mensik and Fonseca high seed killers of the mens draw so far.
20,19 and 18 years old respectively
 
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'cos he's shit and overhyped for years. Check his early losses at slams. 4 or 5 set losses all over the place. Any betters literally back him to lose in the first or second round every time. Struff would have knocked him out in round 1 if fit. He also played a tournament right before which was dumb asf and poor scheduling. Kudos for winning Adelaide but it didn't help his stamina clearly. As for playing a tournament right before and winning it meaning even less of a break before the AO, so did Monfils but he's no FAA. His RG 5 setter against Nadal is the only good match I've seen from him in recent years.
 

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A couple more surprises overnight, apart from that match
Mensik d Ruud in 4 sets, I am not really surprised that Ruud lost, I watched his first match he was lucky to escape against Munar in 5 sets
Aussie Vukic d Korda (22) in 5 sets
Korda loss is surprise to me too.

Mensik - Ruud match I watched. Mensik is ticking many boxes of a modern young tennis player. All these new players like Fonseca, Mensik, Fils are so incredibly powerful. Tennis is becoming more and more about the power. No one is looking for 30 shots rallies anymore, like we used to see so many with Nadal, Djokovic, Murray etc. These young guys including Sinner and Alcaraz are punishing anything weak coming at them. Sinner is taking the ball so early it looks like playing against the wall. The ball is back at you before you even finish a shot.
 
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Korda loss is surprise to me too.

Mensik - Ruud match I watched. Mensik is ticking many boxes of a modern young tennis player. All these new players like Fonseca, Mensik, Fils are so incredibly powerful. Tennis is becoming more and more about the power. No one is looking for 30 shots rallies anymore, like we used to see so many with Nadal, Djokovic, Murray etc. These young guys including Sinner and Alcaraz are punishing anything weak coming at them. Sinner is taking the ball so early it looks like playing against the wall. The ball is back at you before you even finish a shot.
Agree, it is all about first strike tennis, dosent give your opponent a lot of time to think about the return, they have to be on their 'toes to speak' with quick reflexes,
Probably the only surface we will see longer rallies is the clay, my favorite surface.