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It should be an indoor event because most of the tournaments leading up to it are indoors. London like many other tournaments have slowed the court down so they can see more of their precious never ending rallies. I rather they play it on fast indoor courts to at least see some variety. Once it's out of London maybe it will be on a faster surface again. But anyways back to Whafa...please explain to me why it should be anything but an indoor hard court event? He has no legs to stand on but that won't stop him from being the whiny "insert 4 or 5 letter word here" we all know him to be.
 

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Let's bring back indoor CAAAAARPET. I always liked those lightning quick carpet events.
 

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DarthFed said:
It should be an indoor event because most of the tournaments leading up to it are indoors. London like many other tournaments have slowed the court down so they can see more of their precious never ending rallies. I rather they play it on fast indoor courts to at least see some variety. Once it's out of London maybe it will be on a faster surface again. But anyways back to Whafa...please explain to me why it should be anything but an indoor hard court event? He has no legs to stand on but that won't stop him from being the whiny "insert 4 or 5 letter word here" we all know him to be.

Another one....... nobody is saying it should be anything but an indoor hard court event, NOBODY :rolleyes:
And is better and real tennis playing on fast/ indoor than others surfaces? maybe for the torpedos serves and ping pong game :( :cover :s
 

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Yeah was gonna mention carpet but you beat me to it:) The current surface at the WTF is too slow to successfully implement an aggressive game plan as the players can run down way too many balls.
 

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Tennis like this, ladies and germs:

[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPsu-zL2Ah0[/video]

:popcorn
 

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shawnbm said:
Let's bring back indoor CAAAAARPET. I always liked those lightning quick carpet events.

Am all for the carpet... Nole sliding on that would cause so much static electricity his chia pet hair would never stay down.

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Carol35 said:
Do you mean just on clay? sincerely I doubt it

I think Novak would be the heavy favorite this year on indoor clay... Rafa is better, but he isn't that close to beating Novak... Stan, it would depend on which Stan shows up. I also think Andy would probably beat Rafa on clay right now. Fed, I would favor Rafa, but it would be a tough battle even on clay. As far as next year goes for Rafa, who knows, but if you think Rafa is playing that well at this point, I appreciate your commitment to your guy...
 

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Kieran said:
Tennis like this, ladies and germs:

[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPsu-zL2Ah0[/video]

:popcorn

Great clip Keiran! It would be awesome to have more diversity in the tour. Maybe they will speed up some courts so Novak stops winning everything.
 

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THAT was classic indoor carpet tennis!!!! OUTSTANDING SHOTMAKING AND AGGRESSION!!! I LOVED IT. We need more of that--just compelling stuff from two guys who knew how to go toe-to-toe over a long period of time. I miss those kinds of matches.
 

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Riotbeard said:
Carol35 said:
Do you mean just on clay? sincerely I doubt it

I think Novak would be the heavy favorite this year on indoor clay... Rafa is better, but he isn't that close to beating Novak... Stan, it would depend on which Stan shows up. I also think Andy would probably beat Rafa on clay right now. Fed, I would favor Rafa, but it would be a tough battle even on clay. As far as next year goes for Rafa, who knows, but if you think Rafa is playing that well at this point, I appreciate your commitment to your guy...

Rafa is not playing still his best but he has showed in this indoor season, his worst surface, that he is close of his best and much better than the whole year when he was playing so badly that he lost against anyone on clay where everybody know he is the best. So for that reason if they would play this next tournament on clay I don't think that Stan and Muzz (his worst surface too) would have any chance and Novak I don't think either. Of course it would depend on which Rafa would show up and not the others :cool:
 

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When is the draw for this shindig? Thursday? :popcorn
 

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Carol35 said:
DarthFed said:
It should be an indoor event because most of the tournaments leading up to it are indoors. London like many other tournaments have slowed the court down so they can see more of their precious never ending rallies. I rather they play it on fast indoor courts to at least see some variety. Once it's out of London maybe it will be on a faster surface again. But anyways back to Whafa...please explain to me why it should be anything but an indoor hard court event? He has no legs to stand on but that won't stop him from being the whiny "insert 4 or 5 letter word here" we all know him to be.

Another one....... nobody is saying it should be anything but an indoor hard court event, NOBODY :rolleyes:
And is better and real tennis playing on fast/ indoor than others surfaces? maybe for the torpedos serves and ping pong game :( :cover :s

Rafa IS complaining that it is an indoor hard court event and as usual you are defending everything he says and does even when it is incredibly stupid and completely self-serving.

Adding more fast court events is not about what is considered "real or entertaining tennis" it is about diversity.
 

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I thought one of the reasons they removed the carpet stuff is that the bounces are somewhat unpredictable on carpet. Does anyone know for sure whether this is true?
 

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GameSetAndMath said:
I thought one of the reasons they removed the carpet stuff is that the bounces are somewhat unpredictable on carpet. Does anyone know for sure whether this is true?

I think it was part of the general slowing down of the game, post-90's. I could be wrong, but I don't remember any brouhaha about bad bounces on carpet. Low fast bounces, sure, that required quick reflexes and swift reactions, but not bad or unpredictable ones. Even if that was the case, it would have cost them no more to put in a fast court, instead of this one, which makes for a poor excuse for "indoor" tennis...
 

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DarthFed said:
Carol35 said:
DarthFed said:
It should be an indoor event because most of the tournaments leading up to it are indoors. London like many other tournaments have slowed the court down so they can see more of their precious never ending rallies. I rather they play it on fast indoor courts to at least see some variety. Once it's out of London maybe it will be on a faster surface again. But anyways back to Whafa...please explain to me why it should be anything but an indoor hard court event? He has no legs to stand on but that won't stop him from being the whiny "insert 4 or 5 letter word here" we all know him to be.

Another one....... nobody is saying it should be anything but an indoor hard court event, NOBODY :rolleyes:
And is better and real tennis playing on fast/ indoor than others surfaces? maybe for the torpedos serves and ping pong game :( :cover :s
Rafa IS complaining that it is an indoor hard court event and as usual you are defending everything he says and does even when it is incredibly stupid and completely self-serving.

Adding more fast court events is not about what is considered "real or entertaining tennis" it is about diversity.

You should leave Rafa alone because if we start to talk about incredibly stupid and completely self-serving complains your fav would be the champion
And maybe you should reread what exactly he said instead to criticize him for everything
Jzzzz, that h2h hurts sooooo much
 

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Please tell us something incredibly stupid and self-serving Federer has said, Carol. And don't worry, we can wait as I'm sure you won't find much, if anything.
 

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I concur with much of what Kieran says about why indoor carpet events were last held about six years ago (but had been dwindling for a decade before that). I do not have personal knowledge as to why this happened, but I do believe the tour and its promoters wanted to see more of a baseline game and less serve and volley. The balls were changed, the strings became such that players now had both more power and more spin, and then more and more hard courts were slowed through surface grit changes. Even the grass at SW19 was changed out so it would not wear as quickly and that served, in turn, to help make even the grass game more hospitable to backcourt players. It is what it is, but I preferred the tour with different seasons when players had to change their games more, even if it meant there were players that only excelled on clay or grass and then were not as potent on other surfaces. That was fairly common in the Seventies and Eighties. To me, the cream always rises to the top and that is why guys like Connors, Borg, and the like won across all surfaces--the Swede won a number of carpet events, as well as Jimbo, although McEnroe did more than anybody else (it was perfectly suited for his game). Bringing back carpet would be a call to bring back more aggressive attacking play from the word "go". It would be exciting. The greats would adapt and although it might be easiest for Roger of the top guys (he played carpet more often than the others and won his first tournament on it if memory serves), the others would win their fair share.
 

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Front242 said:
Please tell us something incredibly stupid and self-serving Federer has said, Carol. And don't worry, we can wait as I'm sure you won't find much, if anything.

There are and many, the difference is that whatever Roger says doesn't affect to me at all, the opposite of you that whatever Rafa says it looks that it affects to you a lot :D
 

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Carol35 said:
Front242 said:
Please tell us something incredibly stupid and self-serving Federer has said, Carol. And don't worry, we can wait as I'm sure you won't find much, if anything.

There are and many, the difference is that whatever Roger says doesn't affect to me at all, the opposite of you that whatever Rafa says it looks that it affects to you a lot :D

So many you couldn't even think of one. I wonder why. Actually, nothing about what Rafa said other than what was correctly called self-serving by others "affects" me in any way whatsoever. Rather I was looking for some "incredibly stupid and self-serving" examples of Federer from you but I knew you didn't have any.
 

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shawnbm said:
To me, the cream always rises to the top and that is why guys like Connors, Borg, and the like won across all surfaces--the Swede won a number of carpet events, as well as Jimbo, although McEnroe did more than anybody else (it was perfectly suited for his game).

:snicker
If Jimmy Connors had only ever played at the U.S. Open, he would still have won a slam playing on three different surfaces.

Poor Borg couldn't even do it when it was clay.