2015 ATP World Tour Finals

[Kieran]

Actually! A player asking the ump to stop a match because he can't see in the dark is the dictionary definition of self-serving. Likewise, a player asking the umpire to make it rain on a sunny day in Paris, cos he prefers to play tennis on a swamp.

They're all self-serving, buddy. It's a high-octane individual sport. They're selfish to the core, all of them. The idea that you think that Federer is some generous sportsman who puts others before himself is making me giggle. He would be a fool to be like that, and he'd never have been as a successful...

 

[Fiero425]

Actually! A player asking the ump to stop a match because he can't see in the dark is the dictionary definition of self-serving. Likewise, a player asking the umpire to make it rain on a sunny day in Paris, cos he prefers to play tennis on a swamp.

They're all self-serving, buddy. It's a high-octane individual sport. They're selfish to the core, all of them. The idea that you think that Federer is some generous sportsman who puts others before himself is making me giggle. He would be a fool to be like that, and he'd never have been as a successful...

True enough; quite self-serving, but I haven't heard much out of Nole; maybe Madrid in 2012 with the slippery blue clay used, but the only one that was happy was the eventual winner in Roger! :cover :nono :dodgy:

 

[Front242]

Actually! A player asking the ump to stop a match because he can't see in the dark is the dictionary definition of self-serving. Likewise, a player asking the umpire to make it rain on a sunny day in Paris, cos he prefers to play tennis on a swamp.

They're all self-serving, buddy. It's a high-octane individual sport. They're selfish to the core, all of them. The idea that you think that Federer is some generous sportsman who puts others before himself is making me giggle. He would be a fool to be like that, and he'd never have been as a successful...

Actually it's not just me who thinks it but all the players as Federer was voted for the Stefan Edberg sportsmanship award for the 11th time. Obviously they see things a lot differently than a couple of Nadal fans on this board. And to re-iterate, this is voted by the players and NOT the biased, blind fans.

http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2015/11/djokovic-federer-bryan-brothers-get-top-atp-awards/56800/#.VkOSmytVV0I

 

[bajana]

Actually! A player asking the ump to stop a match because he can't see in the dark is the dictionary definition of self-serving. Likewise, a player asking the umpire to make it rain on a sunny day in Paris, cos he prefers to play tennis on a swamp.

They're all self-serving, buddy. It's a high-octane individual sport. They're selfish to the core, all of them. The idea that you think that Federer is some generous sportsman who puts others before himself is making me giggle. He would be a fool to be like that, and he'd never have been as a successful...

True enough; quite self-serving, but I haven't heard much out of Nole; maybe Madrid in 2012 with the slippery blue clay used, but the only one that was happy was the eventual winner in Roger! :cover :nono :dodgy:

50+ years following cricket and I never knew/heard from anyone that batsmen were/are self-serving by appealing for light (that's actually the technical, dictionary term used in cricket). Only in tennis is it self-serving, eh?

 

[Kirijax]

Small sample size but here it is anyway.

 

[Fiero425]

Actually! A player asking the ump to stop a match because he can't see in the dark is the dictionary definition of self-serving. Likewise, a player asking the umpire to make it rain on a sunny day in Paris, cos he prefers to play tennis on a swamp.

They're all self-serving, buddy. It's a high-octane individual sport. They're selfish to the core, all of them. The idea that you think that Federer is some generous sportsman who puts others before himself is making me giggle. He would be a fool to be like that, and he'd never have been as a successful...

True enough; quite self-serving, but I haven't heard much out of Nole; maybe Madrid in 2012 with the slippery blue clay used, but the only one that was happy was the eventual winner in Roger! :cover :nono :dodgy:

50+ years following cricket and I never knew/heard from anyone that batsmen were/are self-serving by appealing for light (that's actually the technical, dictionary term used in cricket). Only in tennis is it self-serving, eh?

Been there; done that! Have finished up more than a couple matches where I could barely see my hand in front of my face! Some tournaments don't want to hear it; just want to wrap it up ASAP! lol! :nono :angel: :dodgy:

 

[Kieran]

Actually! A player asking the ump to stop a match because he can't see in the dark is the dictionary definition of self-serving. Likewise, a player asking the umpire to make it rain on a sunny day in Paris, cos he prefers to play tennis on a swamp.

They're all self-serving, buddy. It's a high-octane individual sport. They're selfish to the core, all of them. The idea that you think that Federer is some generous sportsman who puts others before himself is making me giggle. He would be a fool to be like that, and he'd never have been as a successful...

Actually it's not just me who thinks it but all the players as Federer was voted for the Stefan Edberg sportsmanship award for the 11th time. Obviously they see things a lot differently than a couple of Nadal fans on this board. And to re-iterate, this is voted by the players and NOT the biased, blind fans.

http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2015/11/djokovic-federer-bryan-brothers-get-top-atp-awards/56800/#.VkOSmytVV0I

To be honest with you, I never understood that. I always found it easier to agree with players who say that Federer likes to be liked, in the media. But this Stefan Edberg thingy? It always went whoosh over me, expecially when it was always given to one player, when they all seem to be more or less equally sporting - and self-serving. Did he get it after the Wimbo final in 2007 when he whined about Hawkeye - "Eet's killin' me!"

They're all the same, buddy, no more or less. maybe one of them wears more make-up, that's all...

 

[nehmeth]

Small sample size but here it is anyway.

With those two choices, I would also have to err in calling it a major tournament, as the number of points awarded for play alone would warrant that.

But it's not a tournament. It's a round robin between the 8 top players. In a tournament, you lose once and you go home. Here you can lose once and still make it to the semifinal!

To me, it's kind of the ATP version of playoffs.

 

[Kieran]

They're bad choices: "Major tournament" or "Just an exhibition."

Obviously, it's not a "major", as in "Slam".

And it's not an exhibition either...

 

[Front242]

Actually! A player asking the ump to stop a match because he can't see in the dark is the dictionary definition of self-serving. Likewise, a player asking the umpire to make it rain on a sunny day in Paris, cos he prefers to play tennis on a swamp.

They're all self-serving, buddy. It's a high-octane individual sport. They're selfish to the core, all of them. The idea that you think that Federer is some generous sportsman who puts others before himself is making me giggle. He would be a fool to be like that, and he'd never have been as a successful...

Actually it's not just me who thinks it but all the players as Federer was voted for the Stefan Edberg sportsmanship award for the 11th time. Obviously they see things a lot differently than a couple of Nadal fans on this board. And to re-iterate, this is voted by the players and NOT the biased, blind fans.

http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2015/11/djokovic-federer-bryan-brothers-get-top-atp-awards/56800/#.VkOSmytVV0I

To be honest with you, I never understood that. I always found it easier to agree with players who say that Federer likes to be liked, in the media. But this Stefan Edberg thingy? It always went whoosh over me, expecially when it was always given to one player, when they all seem to be more or less equally sporting - and self-serving. Did he get it after the Wimbo final in 2007 when he whined about Hawkeye - "Eet's killin' me!"

They're all the same, buddy, no more or less. maybe one of them wears more make-up, that's all...

No, they most definitely are not more or less equally sporting. Federer does not stall between points, picking his arse and pulling his todger while waiting to receive serve. He does not take massive amounts of time toweling off after an opponent aces him, he does not deliberately use gamesmanship such as dubiously timed medical timeouts while losing to throw his opponent's rhythm off and break their concentration and lead. He does not violate the rules by banning certain umpires from his matches because they actually do their job properly unlike most of the chicken $h1t umpires out there. He does not have an annoying uncle/coach who has been frequently caught coaching him on camera during matches. Nor does he elect to take a dump before his opponent serves for the match at any time. Those are just a few "small" differences between him and at least one player I can think of so it's clear why the players would find him more sporting and therefore, more deserving of this award.

 

[Kieran]

^^ :laydownlaughing

That's a copy and paste job, right? :clap

 

[Fiero425]

^^ :laydownlaughing

That's a copy and paste job, right? :clap

^^^ It's always been my gripe about Nadal; his blatant and obvious gamesmanship that has stolen more than a few matches from Federer and Djokovic! It got so bad, Nole picked up the habits just to tick Rafa off back in 2011! At times he's literally quiet when in groundstroke battles with other players, but if it's Rafa, he barks and makes just as much noise, goes to the towel, medical timeouts, and challenging of every close line-call! :nono :angel: :dodgy: :cover

 

[Kieran]

^^ :laydownlaughing

That's a copy and paste job, right? :clap

^^^ It's always been my gripe about Nadal; his blatant and obvious gamesmanship that has stolen more than a few matches from Federer and Djokovic! It got so bad, Nole picked up the habits just to tick Rafa off back in 2011! At times he's literally quiet when in groundstroke battles with other players, but if it's Rafa, he barks and makes just as much noise, goes to the towel, medical timeouts, and challenging of every close line-call! :nono :angel: :dodgy: :cover

That's a copy and paste as well! :laydownlaughing :lolz:

Never gonna get any of you's boys to appreciate the great young Ralph...

 

[Kirijax]

They're bad choices: "Major tournament" or "Just an exhibition."

Obviously, it's not a "major", as in "Slam".

And it's not an exhibition either...

Well, I tried to write it in but that Twitter poll is really limited in letter count don't cha know.. I finally had to settle on that. But yeah, not a great sample but interesting anyways.

 

[Riotbeard]

Actually! A player asking the ump to stop a match because he can't see in the dark is the dictionary definition of self-serving. Likewise, a player asking the umpire to make it rain on a sunny day in Paris, cos he prefers to play tennis on a swamp.

They're all self-serving, buddy. It's a high-octane individual sport. They're selfish to the core, all of them. The idea that you think that Federer is some generous sportsman who puts others before himself is making me giggle. He would be a fool to be like that, and he'd never have been as a successful...

To me the biggest difference is that yes in the heat of the match, every player has gotten and will get mad and request things that are self-serving.

To me what's annoying about Rafa is it's not little things in the heat of the match, it's wholesale changes to the tour and tournaments like the two year ranking and changing surfaces at the WTF. After this year, though, I bet Novak wouldn't mind a two year ranking system...

 

[bajana]

Actually! A player asking the ump to stop a match because he can't see in the dark is the dictionary definition of self-serving. Likewise, a player asking the umpire to make it rain on a sunny day in Paris, cos he prefers to play tennis on a swamp.

They're all self-serving, buddy. It's a high-octane individual sport. They're selfish to the core, all of them. The idea that you think that Federer is some generous sportsman who puts others before himself is making me giggle. He would be a fool to be like that, and he'd never have been as a successful...

Actually it's not just me who thinks it but all the players as Federer was voted for the Stefan Edberg sportsmanship award for the 11th time. Obviously they see things a lot differently than a couple of Nadal fans on this board. And to re-iterate, this is voted by the players and NOT the biased, blind fans.

http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2015/11/djokovic-federer-bryan-brothers-get-top-atp-awards/56800/#.VkOSmytVV0I

To be honest with you, I never understood that. I always found it easier to agree with players who say that Federer likes to be liked, in the media. But this Stefan Edberg thingy? It always went whoosh over me, expecially when it was always given to one player, when they all seem to be more or less equally sporting - and self-serving. Did he get it after the Wimbo final in 2007 when he whined about Hawkeye - "Eet's killin' me!"

They're all the same, buddy, no more or less. maybe one of them wears more make-up, that's all...

Again, and I apologise, but I find myself questioning your reasoning. Is the assessment by the players made on the basis of any one incident, or is it more likely it's determined on the overall assessment of a year's activity on and off court? Does his complaint about Hawkeye seriously supercede and override whatever contributions he may have made during the year - either to players as individuals or to the sport as a whole?

However, if you're just throwing stuff out there in order to try to gain points in an argument, then I'll refrain from any further comments.

 

[Fiero425]

^^ :laydownlaughing

That's a copy and paste job, right? :clap

^^^ It's always been my gripe about Nadal; his blatant and obvious gamesmanship that has stolen more than a few matches from Federer and Djokovic! It got so bad, Nole picked up the habits just to tick Rafa off back in 2011! At times he's literally quiet when in groundstroke battles with other players, but if it's Rafa, he barks and makes just as much noise, goes to the towel, medical timeouts, and challenging of every close line-call! :nono :angel: :dodgy: :cover

That's a copy and paste as well! :laydownlaughing :lolz:

Never gonna get any of you's boys to appreciate the great young Ralph...

Maybe there's a consensus and definitive opinion of people who don't worship at the alter of Nadal! :nono :angel:

 

[Kieran]

Maybe there's a consensus and definitive opinion of people who don't worship at the alter of Nadal! :nono :angel:

Yeah. People who hate him are going to hate him. What does that tell us? That you people hate him. No more than this...

 

[Fiero425]

Maybe there's a consensus and definitive opinion of people who don't worship at the alter of Nadal! :nono :angel:

Yeah. People who hate him are going to hate him. What does that tell us? That you people hate him. No more than this...

There's my HATE and other people's truth! He's a slime-ball and I never cared for him; even when he was a kid! :gross: :deadhorse

 

[Kieran]

Again, and I apologise, but I find myself questioning your reasoning. Is the assessment by the players made on the basis of any one incident, or is it more likely it's determined on the overall assessment of a year's activity on and off court? Does his complaint about Hawkeye seriously supercede and override whatever contributions he may have made during the year - either to players as individuals or to the sport as a whole?

However, if you're just throwing stuff out there in order to try to gain points in an argument, then I'll refrain from any further comments.

No need to apologise.

My point is that Federer is as competitive and self-centred as any players. His complaints against Hawkeye were self-serving. He was losing in the fourth set at the time.

Now, "whatever contributions he may have made during the year" is vague. They're all rich blokes who make contributions, is this what you mean? Or do you think Rafa has made no contributions "to the sport as a whole?"

Of course he has. They all have. It's just partisan nonsense by the usual having a go at him. It's entertaining, but it's nonsense...