Wimbledon Day 6: Saturday, June 28 - Order of Play

[Si Si Simona]

Genie just bows in front of her highness cheatpova and lets her win somehow,

Repeating a lie over and over again doesn't make it true - I'm sorry that you're still bitter about the Madrid and French Open final and that you can not recognize a fighter when you see one - Your favorite acted way more decent in her defeat and she would never think of calling her opponent names

1) Sorry about all that, but I am really not. Your player deliberately behaves in a way that stops the other player from focusing on the match. Thats not a lie, thats a fact to me. Whether you call it a lie or not doesnt matter. For me its a fact.
2) I cant stand your player for a long time, at least since 2013. Nothing to do with the 2014 matches.
3) I have no problem stopping calling her names. I agree that its beneath my level. I will just ignore your player from now on. Why even bother? If others dont care then why should I?...

I cant fix the world. Its enough to see how a "gypsy" is treated in London to know that I count as nothing in this world. I will just take care of my own business "gypsy style".
thanks

 

[Si Si Simona]

It's also a mystery to me why the management of this site can allow all the insults - name calling and blatant lies about the the ATP and WTA players which this site claims to be the reason for it's existents but immediately take action when someone calls another posters here a moron
Personally I can accept insults towards myself - I can't be hurt by an anonymous person's opinion about me personally - Allowing insults - name calling and disrespect about players - any player is way worse - It is virtual hooliganism and it should - like in the real world - be penalized - I'm really sorry that tented & company can't see that
Well - I might be banned - my comment will probably be deleted - I don't care - I just had to get this of my chest

Thats because there was another sugarpova fan (she almost called herself like that, dont blame me) here before you who behaved much worse than anything I could do. I just got a habit. I will stop because your player does not interest me in any way, sort, or shape.
The less the better I agree in this case.

 

[Front242]

I disagree 100%. There's a 0.0000001% chance Sharapova will ever visit this site and read peoples' comments so frankly who cares what someone writes about her, especially since it's all true anyway. People said she makes horrible stares down the court at her opponent every time before she serves. That's 100% true. People said she screams her head off almost all through her matches. True also. Because of her turning her back and then the subsequent horrible stares she frequently violates the time between points. Also true. There have been no lies told by anyone.

 

[Fiero425]

I disagree 100%. There's a 0.0000001% chance Sharapova will ever visit this site and read peoples' comments so frankly who cares what someone writes about her, especially since it's all true anyway. People said she makes horrible stares down the court at her opponent every time before she serves. That's 100% true. People said she screams her head off almost all through her matches. True also. Because of her turning her back and then the subsequent horrible stares she frequently violates the time between points. Also true. There have been no lies told by anyone.

They don't want to see or hear the truth which is so ridiculous, but what can we do? So many look through a lens of rose colored glasses and if you try to open their eyes to that truth, they will fly off the handle! You can tell I couldn't care less what people think of me, I'm going to tell them what's what! If they don't like it, they can go to #ell, send me their condescending messages, and life will continue on! This is still a forum for opinion and an expression of ideas; if they have a problem, it's theirs alone! uzzled :angel:

 

[britbox]

It's also a mystery to me why the management of this site can allow all the insults - name calling and blatant lies about the the ATP and WTA players which this site claims to be the reason for it's existents but immediately take action when someone calls another posters here a moron
Personally I can accept insults towards myself - I can't be hurt by an anonymous person's opinion about me personally - Allowing insults - name calling and disrespect about players - any player is way worse - It is virtual hooliganism and it should - like in the real world - be penalized - I'm really sorry that tented & company can't see that
Well - I might be banned - my comment will probably be deleted - I don't care - I just had to get this of my chest

Nobody's ever been banned for having an opinion on the website or the management of it. Nobody has ever got banned for calling somebody a moron either. You can actually count the number of banned posters on one hand. One threatened to troll the site 24/7 and two got complaints in droves from other posters. Two others were based on a majority decision. Oh, there was one another - who actually demanded to be banned for some strange reason.

There is an old saying that you can't please all of the people all of the time and that holds true here.

The rough philosophy here is to play the post not the poster. If you don't like a post then debate the content of it. Having said that, only excessive persistent hounding of a poster by another poster will end up eventually resulting in a ban and that will be after various repeated requests and then later warnings to precede it. Racism and Homophopic posts aren't welcomed on the boards either. Other than that the board posters tend to moderate themselves and the very small number of banned posters pretty much lends itself to that.

Do I personally like all the references to "Cheatpova" etc... No, not in the slightest.

Hope that answers some of your questions.

 

[Correspondent Kiu]

Great Champions take what's given to them and make the best of it. It's hard to argue Sharapova not being a great champion.
This is turning just like French Open, top seeds are gone and Masha is now the favorite again.
Unless Genie or Sabine knock her out, I just don't see anyone else who is even capable of it.

But hey, there is a whole week of play left, so we shall see...

So you dont give Simona even a small chance to beat cheatpova? Thats ridiculous, and the way you expect Simona to be NO.2 is funny as well. You create a false buzz but its not working.
We know your real opinion about Simona and how you want her to fail.
First you said she cant hold the 4th place rankings, now you create a "failed to achieve NO.2" vibe...
comn now, you can do better.
Maybe I made you hate her I apologize about that but its really your lose, not mine.

Si,
I don't hate any Tennis players, period! I am not like some of the fans.
I have been on the court with a racket and ball and I KNOW what it takes to achieve what these players do, it's very admiring. I admire them all.
I can also change my mind about things.
I don't want any of them to fail, but that's not up to me. I don't have a voodoo doll either, no jinx!
As for Simo not falling, she has been holding on, but everyone else is falling, that's one way to get past others. Unless she demonstrates to me she can beat Masha, I am sticking to my opinion.
As of right now, I don't give much of a chance to ANYONE beating Masha.
But hey, I may change my mind next week.

 

[MashaFan]

1) Sorry about all that, but I am really not. Your player deliberately behaves in a way that stops the other player from focusing on the match. Thats not a lie, thats a fact to me. Whether you call it a lie or not doesnt matter. For me its a fact.
2) I cant stand your player for a long time, at least since 2013. Nothing to do with the 2014 matches.
3) I have no problem stopping calling her names. I agree that its beneath my level. I will just ignore your player from now on. Why even bother? If others dont care then why should I?...

I cant fix the world. Its enough to see how a "gypsy" is treated in London to know that I count as nothing in this world. I will just take care of my own business "gypsy style".
thanks

1) You may of course have your personal opinion about the cheating issue but you have no solid proof that Masha actually cheated in the French Open final - Spreading such accusations without any solid proof is called slander in the real world and is considered an offense - If your favorite lacked focus then that was her problem - It's typical that all the accusations about cheating and gamesmanship came from disappointed Simona and Serena fans who couldn't stand that Masha won the French - Simona herself nor Masha's other opponents ever took the word "cheat" in their mouth neither did they ever protest during their match - They all accepted their defeat graciously

2) You have your favorite and of course you can dislike certain players - but in my opinion every player should be treated with respect - Name calling - mocking and spreading unproven accusations are disrespectful actions - If you haven't anything positive to say about a player's personality - then you should refrain yourself from commenting that player's character or her personality at all

This is supposed to be a tennis site where the comments/discussions should be about tennis - It should not be a site where members are supposed to mock and/or insult the tennis players freely or have all kinda opinions about a player's alleged unsympathetic personality - her looks - her routines on court or how loud or silent she is when she plays tennis - As long as the umpire has no serious complains about a player during a match then we just have to trust that the match was played by the rules

I'll now quietly withdraw once again in the hope that the quality of this forum will improve in time

 

[Correspondent Kiu]

Masha fan, you say all this, but then I see you post on other Cyber-places with lot less respect and personality than here, replying to awful posts and always backing Maria.

A while ago, Serena was accused of gamesmanship and it was discussed here, in it's own thread posted by a Serena fan.

This is a Tennis site, but we do not decide the contents of the threads, the posters do.

 

[Si Si Simona]

Do I personally like all the references to "Cheatpova" etc... No, not in the slightest.

This will stop from now on because I am not the type to continue with that.
But, my opinion will not change, I still think she is. I just wont call her names anymore.

 

[MashaFan]

I disagree 100%. There's a 0.0000001% chance Sharapova will ever visit this site and read peoples' comments so frankly who cares what someone writes about her, especially since it's all true anyway. People said she makes horrible stares down the court at her opponent every time before she serves. That's 100% true. People said she screams her head off almost all through her matches. True also. Because of her turning her back and then the subsequent horrible stares she frequently violates the time between points. Also true. There have been no lies told by anyone.

The lie is that it is cheating - which none of the points you mention are - You might dislike it - that's your prerogative but as far as I know Maria Sharapova has never been accused for cheating by any tennis officials during nor after a match during her whole career - Also Masha has been playing professional tennis since 2003 and she has played more or less the same as she does today - The same "horribel" (a personal opinion) stares - the same screams - the same "turning her back" and the same way to focus on a serve

It seems to me that the subject must have lost all it's actuality by now - except for those who - for some dark reason - can't get over it

It also doesn't matter whether Maria Sharapova or any other WTA player ever visits this site - It's bad manners and disrespectful to mock tennis players for no good reason as it is to mock people in the real world - Persons who do so in the real world are called bullies

I'm not surprised that many here try to defend this sorta behavior and won't see that we should make no difference between how we treat others in the real world or on a tennis site - A tennis player is a human being who works her butt off to entertain us and should be treated with the same respect here as you treat your sport heroes in the real world no matter what you happen to think about her personality

 

[10isfan]

Mashafan, thank you for "quietly withdrawing". I am fine with Si's posts but find yours hard to accept because of their hypocrisy. Screaming, staring, breaking opponent's rhythm, etc have everything to do with tennis because it is such a mental game. You have posted about Pova's looks, money, popularity, FB followers, endorsements, etc all of which have little to do with tennis.

 

[Si Si Simona]

she has played more or less the same as she does today - The same "horribel" (a personal opinion) stares - the same screams - the same "turning her back" and the same way to focus on a serve

Sorry but thats totally untrue and false. She became a mind games destructive player only in the last years because of her frustrations with Serena, that 15-0 thing over 10 years drove her crazy you know...
She was NOT screaming and staring and time delaying at the start of her career.
You are totally misleading with your claims. She was a clean nice player when she was 17. I liked her then.

 

[Front242]

True, she didn't do that before. All you need do is watch some old videos and if cheating is too harsh a word call it outright unsporting games(wo)manship of the highest order. She wants to break her opponent's will and rhythm and hence the horrible stares, turning her back before serving, time wasting and despicable screaming all through her matches.

 

[MashaFan]

Masha fan, you say all this, but then I see you post on other Cyber-places with lot less respect and personality than here, replying to awful posts and always backing Maria.

A while ago, Serena was accused of gamesmanship and it was discussed here, in it's own thread posted by a Serena fan.

This is a Tennis site, but we do not decide the contents of the threads, the posters do.

Yes - I always stand up for my favorite when she's treated disrespectful - The thing is that so many regard Masha as their own mock object - Tell me - have you ever seen the same kinda comments in any forum regarding Stosur - Kvitova - Ivanovic - Li et all?
I also never mock Serena or any other player - Look at the articles which review Serena's loss and you won't see my handle posting the one belittling comment after another - How more times do we have to read about the 16-2 H2H? - Why do some persons need to mock Masha in order to make their favorite look good? - Yes - I however do show very less respect for those posting the one insane condescending comment after another about Masha - Isn't it so that they're just asking for it?

I also wanna add that of course the management of a site can do something about it and decide what or what not goes - In time the members will adapt and accept these normal behavior rules - Why should a forum accept a different behavior as we expect from people in the real world? - The problem is that management immediately goes into the defensive mode instead of considering the criticism

 

[Fiero425]

she has played more or less the same as she does today - The same "horribel" (a personal opinion) stares - the same screams - the same "turning her back" and the same way to focus on a serve

Sorry but thats totally untrue and false. She became a mind games destructive player only in the last years because of her frustrations with Serena, that 15-0 thing over 10 years drove her crazy you know...
She was NOT screaming and staring and time delaying at the start of her career.
You are totally misleading with your claims. She was a clean nice player when she was 17. I liked her then.

Who cares what she was like or behaved 10 years ago? We're talking about now and she's one of the most distracting players out there; playing or watching her! You can add Azarenka to the mix! Both are unwatchable, even if you want them to win! I was watching BJK playing Evert in the '73 Wimbledon final and you didn't hear a peep out of them and they weren't giving each other "death stares," stalling all the way! I don't even think they sat down on changeovers! Oh for the good ol' days!

 

[MashaFan]

Sorry but thats totally untrue and false. She became a mind games destructive player only in the last years because of her frustrations with Serena, that 15-0 thing over 10 years drove her crazy you know...
She was NOT screaming and staring and time delaying at the start of her career.
You are totally misleading with your claims. She was a clean nice player when she was 17. I liked her then.

Sorry - I've been following Masha since 2006 and I can't see any "mind games" then nor today - Neither have I heard or read any commentator or tennis expert mentioning a significant change in Masha's way of playing - It's all in your mind - As I said before - Stating things with certainty without solid proof don't make these statements true

 

[Front242]

Watch....no horrible stares and as Si Si said she was a nicer girl back years ago. Not anymore. Also didn't take half as long deliberately stalling. In fact I've no real complaints about her from 2004. The screaming was nothing compared to today too. In fact it was fine, practically nothing. She's adopted all her traits that people dislike her for later in her career.

[video=youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nfKAe4iGeM&feature=player_detailpage[/video]

 

[MashaFan]

Mashafan, thank you for "quietly withdrawing". I am fine with Si's posts but find yours hard to accept because of their hypocrisy. Screaming, staring, breaking opponent's rhythm, etc have everything to do with tennis because it is such a mental game. You have posted about Pova's looks, money, popularity, FB followers, endorsements, etc all of which have little to do with tennis.

Masha plays by the rules - period

Yes - I've mentioned Pova's looks, money, popularity, FB followers, endorsements, etc all of which have little to do with tennis but only in defense of her - It's not that I've been bragging about Masha without any reason at all - However - it's one thing to say positive things about a player - like I when I would complement hoergren about the looks of his babe - than to mock a player for her looks - screams - quirks on court etc - I'm surprised that you can not see the difference

 

[britbox]

^ MashaFan, Nothing to do with defensive mode - just don't agree with you. It's not upto "management" to dictate what people think of certain players. It's impossible. It's our responsibility to make sure that posters can post their opinions freely without being targeted and attacked 24/7 by other posters.

The board is largely self-moderating. Posters tend to adapt a little to the environment they are in. For instance, Si Si has already said she's going to lay off all the Cheatpova references.

I'm actually in the pro-Sharapova camp, she's one of my favourite WTA players but plenty others don't like her... not a lot I kind do to to influence that and neither would I or any other admin/mod want to. Each to their own.

 

[Si Si Simona]

MashaFan, seriously, compared to the last Masha fan that was posting here I am an angel. You should try and clean your own house first. I am still in retaliate mode because of that fan, but I will change soon.
And this forum is a garden compared to the main women tennis forum on the net which is a junkyard. I am sure you know that place.

Personally I am happy that one of your camp felt how it feels to be treated the way Simona was treated in so many forums until now. The last year changed it but still not enough...
The admin on that main forum called Simona a peasant after she lost to Masha in Paris. Yes thats right... so if you visit that main forum be aware of the smell and the junk. Bye