Wimbledon Day 4: Thursday, June 26 - Order of Play

[Front242]

And yes, it's 20 seconds between points at slams so the Nadal fans taking offense to this and trying but failing miserably to defend this might as well give up 'cos he was overlimit the whole match earlier. That's not hate, that's a blatant fact.

http://straightsets.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/12/atp-adopts-rules-changes-to-address-pace-of-play/

We both know the 20 second rule is literally never enforced, and umpires still follow (in theory) the 25 second rule, even in slams. Regardless, this still doesn't help your argument.

Your whole point was that Nadal was taking an obscene amount of time and it threw Rosol off. Well, most matches these guys play day in and day out are under ATP rules, so they're more than used to 25 seconds in between points. Or do you think Rosol is going to think "Hey, this is a slam. What's taking him so long? He's going a full FIVE SECONDS over?").

Er, newsflash. 5 seconds is a lot! Federer was interviewed after his match and asked does he sometimes feel the need to hurry up and he said no but he feels 10 seconds is more than enough for the sake of spectators and the flow of the game. Now, clearly they all take more than 10 most of the time but actually today he frequently took a really short amount and served 25 aces. I didn't blame that solely on Rosol losing, his own serve went awry for long periods but it didn't help either. Players like him who like to play fast get extremely agitated, and with good reason, by how slow Nadal is at basically everything.

 

[pavlik89]

[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Eas4cMtmFA[/video]

 

[brokenshoelace]

And yes, it's 20 seconds between points at slams so the Nadal fans taking offense to this and trying but failing miserably to defend this might as well give up 'cos he was overlimit the whole match earlier. That's not hate, that's a blatant fact.

http://straightsets.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/12/atp-adopts-rules-changes-to-address-pace-of-play/

We both know the 20 second rule is literally never enforced, and umpires still follow (in theory) the 25 second rule, even in slams. Regardless, this still doesn't help your argument.

Your whole point was that Nadal was taking an obscene amount of time and it threw Rosol off. Well, most matches these guys play day in and day out are under ATP rules, so they're more than used to 25 seconds in between points. Or do you think Rosol is going to think "Hey, this is a slam. What's taking him so long? He's going a full FIVE SECONDS over?").

Er, newsflash. 5 seconds is a lot! Federer was interviewed after his match and asked does he sometimes feel the need to hurry up and he said no but he feels 10 seconds is more than enough for the sake of spectators and the flow of the game. Now, clearly they all take more than 10 most of the time but actually today he frequently took a really short amount and served 25 aces. I didn't blame that solely on Rosol losing, his own serve went awry for long periods but it didn't help either. Players like him who like to play fast get extremely agitated, and with good reason, by how slow Nadal is at basically everything.

Er, newsflash, these five seconds are not going to make that much of a difference in a player's head because 25 seconds is the standard limit in 95% of the tournaments. That's the whole point. Just because it's a slam and the rules are different (in theory) doesn't mean that 25 seconds is suddenly going to FEEL too long for these players when they play under these rules in just about every other tournament. That's the point.

My point is not about whether Nadal should be given a time penalty. If he's over, the umpire is entitled to. It's about how silly it is to think it had such a profound impact.

 

[pavlik89]

[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gliM25lgKs[/video]

 

[Front242]

And yes, it's 20 seconds between points at slams so the Nadal fans taking offense to this and trying but failing miserably to defend this might as well give up 'cos he was overlimit the whole match earlier. That's not hate, that's a blatant fact.

http://straightsets.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/12/atp-adopts-rules-changes-to-address-pace-of-play/

We both know the 20 second rule is literally never enforced, and umpires still follow (in theory) the 25 second rule, even in slams. Regardless, this still doesn't help your argument.

Your whole point was that Nadal was taking an obscene amount of time and it threw Rosol off. Well, most matches these guys play day in and day out are under ATP rules, so they're more than used to 25 seconds in between points. Or do you think Rosol is going to think "Hey, this is a slam. What's taking him so long? He's going a full FIVE SECONDS over?").

Er, newsflash. 5 seconds is a lot! Federer was interviewed after his match and asked does he sometimes feel the need to hurry up and he said no but he feels 10 seconds is more than enough for the sake of spectators and the flow of the game. Now, clearly they all take more than 10 most of the time but actually today he frequently took a really short amount and served 25 aces. I didn't blame that solely on Rosol losing, his own serve went awry for long periods but it didn't help either. Players like him who like to play fast get extremely agitated, and with good reason, by how slow Nadal is at basically everything.

Er, newsflash, these five seconds are not going to make that much of a difference in a player's head because 25 seconds is the standard limit in 95% of the tournaments. That's the whole point. Just because it's a slam and the rules are different (in theory) doesn't mean that 25 seconds is suddenly going to FEEL too long for these players when they play under these rules in just about every other tournament. That's the point.

My point is not about whether Nadal should be given a time penalty. If he's over, the umpire is entitled to. It's about how silly it is to think it had such a profound impact.

I really wasn't debating the impact of the time violations at all but merely pointing out the blatant gutlessness on behalf of practically every umpire besides Pascal Maria when Nadal is playing. Today was shameful. Not even a warning and overlimit the whole match.

 

[tented]

"detractor"

EDIT: Holy $hit. If I write the word "H-a-t-e-r" it automatically comes out as detractor upon posting. I mean, you guys know I love you and everything but, that seems a touch heavy on the censorship side.

This was the result of a discussion among the mods concerning how the "h" word was being used in the WTA forum as a coded method to convey various forms of racism. Because of the way the software works, it's all or nothing: either it's filtered everywhere or nowhere. (We did this a long time ago, so it's interesting that people in the ATP forum are just now discovering it.)

P.S. - We love you, too!

 

[tented]

"detractor"

EDIT: Holy $hit. If I write the word "H-a-t-e-r" it automatically comes out as detractor upon posting. I mean, you guys know I love you and everything but, that seems a touch heavy on the censorship side.

You want heavy on censorship...you're apparently not even allowed to voice your disappointment at the level of Djokovic or Murray's play against Nadal without AP taking offense and getting upset. But there's a catch..., it's perfectly ok for anyone but myself and Darth or actually, scratch that...going by AP's last post it's only not ok by me. Some freedom of speech and censorship free site this is lol.

Front, you know even your most extreme anti-Nadal posts have not been deleted.

 

[Front242]

Regarding time between points..

[video=youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Yek7tL7967c[/video]

 

[brokenshoelace]

Regarding time between points..

[video=youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Yek7tL7967c[/video]

I'm pretty sure he takes more than 10 seconds in between points rather routinely.

 

[Front242]

"detractor"

EDIT: Holy $hit. If I write the word "H-a-t-e-r" it automatically comes out as detractor upon posting. I mean, you guys know I love you and everything but, that seems a touch heavy on the censorship side.

You want heavy on censorship...you're apparently not even allowed to voice your disappointment at the level of Djokovic or Murray's play against Nadal without AP taking offense and getting upset. But there's a catch..., it's perfectly ok for anyone but myself and Darth or actually, scratch that...going by AP's last post it's only not ok by me. Some freedom of speech and censorship free site this is lol.

Front, you know even your most extreme anti-Nadal posts have not been deleted.

They might be proven to be not in the slightest bit extreme in the future. Give it time.

 

[Front242]

Regarding time between points..

[video=youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Yek7tL7967c[/video]

I'm pretty sure he takes more than 10 seconds in between points rather routinely.

So am I as I said earlier but clearly not 25-30 either. And actually today he took maybe 15 at most. That's a 10 second difference on Nadal. You said 5 seconds wasn't much (I disagree over the course of a long match when your opponent's concentration/patience is greatly tested) but 10 is huge. 25 seconds after serving an ace is taking the p1$$

 

[Tennis Miller]

Fed90x knows he needs to play fast and win before he becomes King Edward I [Longshanks]. So far he's won in 93 and 94 minutes.

It will be interesting to, see what happens if he gets pushed closer to 2 hours.

Cheers
TM

 

[Front242]

Fed90x knows he needs to play fast and win before he becomes King Edward I [Longshanks]. So far he's won in 93 and 94 minutes.

It will be interesting to, see what happens if he gets pushed closer to 2 hours.

Cheers
TM

Try making Nadal stick to the rules and see how he likely gets knocked out early 'cos he loses focus or loses his edge of annoying opponents.

 

[brokenshoelace]

Regarding time between points..

[video=youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Yek7tL7967c[/video]

I'm pretty sure he takes more than 10 seconds in between points rather routinely.

So am I as I said earlier but clearly not 25-30 either. And actually today he took maybe 15 at most. That's a 10 second difference on Nadal. You said 5 seconds wasn't much (I disagree over the course of a long match when your opponent's concentration/patience is greatly tested) but 10 is huge. 25 seconds after serving an ace is taking the p1$$

Federer takes less time than Nadal? Earth shattering news. Listen, show me a post where I defend Nadal for taking too much time and I'll get a Federer tattoo on my neck. Just because I don't think he's a piece of garbage for doing it, or that it has that big of an impact doesn't mean it's not irritating or he should keep doing it.

 

[brokenshoelace]

Fed90x knows he needs to play fast and win before he becomes King Edward I [Longshanks]. So far he's won in 93 and 94 minutes.

It will be interesting to, see what happens if he gets pushed closer to 2 hours.

Cheers
TM

Try making Nadal stick to the rules and see how he likely gets knocked out early 'cos he loses focus or loses his edge of annoying opponents.

...once again, proving my point. You actually think the match is in some ways decided by how much time he takes in between points. It isn't.

I'm sure after a long rally, it helps him recover, but if you think point in and point out, that someone like Nadal would flat out lose focus, lose his edge and flat out lose a match because he's taking less time in between points you're starting to verge on the delusional. The guy wins because he's awesome at tennis. Taking 5 seconds less in between points isn't going to change that.

 

[Front242]

Actually never accused you defending him for it. You've always been an extremely rational Nadal fan calling him and his uncle out on many things just like the rest of us. It was actually huntingyou who took offense to that comment I made about Nadal taking way too long but seeing that he couldn't defend it he quickly didn't bother even trying.

 

[Front242]

Fed90x knows he needs to play fast and win before he becomes King Edward I [Longshanks]. So far he's won in 93 and 94 minutes.

It will be interesting to, see what happens if he gets pushed closer to 2 hours.

Cheers
TM

Try making Nadal stick to the rules and see how he likely gets knocked out early 'cos he loses focus or loses his edge of annoying opponents.

...once again, proving my point. You actually think the match is in some ways decided by how much time he takes in between points. It isn't.

I'm sure after a long rally, it helps him recover, but if you think point in and point out, that someone like Nadal would flat out lose focus, lose his edge and flat out lose a match because he's taking less time in between points you're starting to verge on the delusional. The guy wins because he's awesome at tennis. Taking 5 seconds less in between points isn't going to change that.

It might do. We'll never know unless the officials grow a pair.

 

[brokenshoelace]

Rosol knocks down Nadal's bottle:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKt1NSM3Ubo

I'm glad someone finally did it so that the commentators should stop making the same "maybe someone should just knock down one of his bottles" joke.

 

[Front242]

In fact all of the nonsense talk here initiated literally from huntingyou taking offense at that one comment I made about Nadal taking too long. Read the whole thread and you'll see. Nadal fans started all the silliness here. My comment is here for all to see on page 8 and was perfectly fine before he started on all the stupidity that followed. My quote below. Now tell me is there anything wrong with that?

http://www.tennisfrontier.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=2617&pid=112834#pid112834

"Well it wasn't death foretold after all Good match. Pity for Rosol that his serving let him down 'cos the penultimate service game was how it needed to be all match. Probably one of the fastest service games you'll see. Nadal and fans must be happy."

 

[Front242]

Rosol knocks down Nadal's bottle:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKt1NSM3Ubo

I'm glad someone finally did it so that the commentators should stop making the same "maybe someone should just knock down one of his bottles" joke.

That was funny alright. Props to Rosol though I'm not sure Nadal noticed Also completely hilarious reading the overreaction from Nadal fans there. They seem to think it's ok to bump into your opponent but not ok to gently tip over a water bottle lol. Talk about double standards but that's nothing new.