Wimbledon Day 2: Tuesday, June 24 - Order of Play

[Fiero425]

It's also common knowledge that the homogenisation of the courts is not welcomed by many players, not only Roger. There's meant to be a much more pronounced difference between surface than there is these days and what they've done is really working to the detriment of the sport for many. It's no longer half as much about shot making as it is stamina and that sucks.

I so agree! It seems like they've taken the sting out of more aggressive play by attacking the net! You just don't see too much chipping and charging and when they do, they're easily passed! It hasn't been the same for about 10 years and matches are getting harder and harder to watch for that reason; for me anyway! :nono uzzled :s :angel:

 

[Front242]

I mean just imagine David Ferrer on the older faster surfaces! No real weapons, just speed and stamina. He'd be a sitting duck. Not a pop at him, just a blatant fact. He's lucky to be playing in this era of slow courts.

 

[Fiero425]

I mean just imagine David Ferrer on the older faster surfaces! No real weapons, just speed and stamina. He'd be a sitting duck. Not a pop at him, just a blatant fact. He's lucky to be playing in this era of slow courts.

Years ago, that was why Wimbledon lowered the seeds for the Spanish Armada due to frequent upsets in the first round! They had a right to be PO'd, but those were the facts; grass was just not conducive to their style of baseline play! That all changed with overworking the grass and other surfaces now to what you call too homogenized to the detriment of the sport! Years ago I wouldn't miss a match; now I have to have some interest before I'll turn it on! They can be so boring these days! :nono uzzled :s

 

[Front242]

Roger should pay someone to switch balls for both his match and Nadal's for the women's ones :snigger As a result of the lighter balls you actually get to see many more exciting rallies (not snail's pace) and more reward for aggressive shot making in women's matches these days.

 

[atttomole]

So could we conclude that Darth dislikes Rafa as much as Kieran dislikes Roger?

 

[tented]

Their change to the surface helped him out a ton, there is no question about that. And despite Roger winning a lot there I think he could have more than 7 of the past 11 on properly fast/low bouncing Wimbledon of yesteryear.

But shouldn't the GOAT be able to win on any surface, regardless of speed and bounce? :snigger

Hey, wait -- you're not implying the surface should be changed back in order to favor a certain player, are you?

Roger won a decent amount on the grass less suited for him, no?

The grass was changed in, what, 2001, wasn't it?

 

[atttomole]

Their change to the surface helped him out a ton, there is no question about that. And despite Roger winning a lot there I think he could have more than 7 of the past 11 on properly fast/low bouncing Wimbledon of yesteryear.

But shouldn't the GOAT be able to win on any surface, regardless of speed and bounce? :snigger

Hey, wait -- you're not implying the surface should be changed back in order to favor a certain player, are you?

Roger won a decent amount on the grass less suited for him, no?

The grass was changed in, what, 2001, wasn't it?

I think it was changed in 2000.

 

[the AntiPusher]

So could we conclude that Darth dislikes Rafa as much as Kieran dislikes Roger?

Really you can conclude that Darth dislikes Roger's levels of play on the tennis courts over the past 5-6 than Kirean has issues with Rafa's

 

[atttomole]

So could we conclude that Darth dislikes Rafa as much as Kieran dislikes Roger?

Really you can conclude that Darth dislikes Roger's levels of play on the tennis courts over the past 5-6 than Kirean has issues with Rafa's

That is also true. But I think that Darth-Nadal and Kieran-Roger is clearer.

 

[DarthFed]

Their change to the surface helped him out a ton, there is no question about that. And despite Roger winning a lot there I think he could have more than 7 of the past 11 on properly fast/low bouncing Wimbledon of yesteryear.

But shouldn't the GOAT be able to win on any surface, regardless of speed and bounce? :snigger

Hey, wait -- you're not implying the surface should be changed back in order to favor a certain player, are you?

Roger won a decent amount on the grass less suited for him, no?

The grass was changed in, what, 2001, wasn't it?

And then they changed to a heavier ball in 2005 or 2006 because it wasn't "baseline-friendly" enough.

 

[tented]

Their change to the surface helped him out a ton, there is no question about that. And despite Roger winning a lot there I think he could have more than 7 of the past 11 on properly fast/low bouncing Wimbledon of yesteryear.

But shouldn't the GOAT be able to win on any surface, regardless of speed and bounce? :snigger

Hey, wait -- you're not implying the surface should be changed back in order to favor a certain player, are you?

Roger won a decent amount on the grass less suited for him, no?

The grass was changed in, what, 2001, wasn't it?

And then they changed to a heavier ball in 2005 or 2006 because it wasn't "baseline-friendly" enough.

So now it's the ball? Because above, you mentioned fast/low bouncing grass. The ball wasn't mentioned until I pointed out the grass had been changed prior to Roger ever winning Wimbledon.

Excuses, excuses ...

 

[Front242]

^ Don't see how there's an excuse making going on. I mean an ape could tell you that there are far more rallies these days on all surfaces in tennis and less reward to aggressive shot making. It's just not the same game at all though I still enjoy it naturally enough.

 

[Front242]

Just imagine David Ferrer in the days of fast grass and S&V. People would likely be beating him by the same scoreline Serena Williams and Screamapova beat their hapless victims in the early rounds.

 

[Mayto]

Yet didn't Ferrer win his only masters title in the fast indoor courts of Paris, a title that Federer has never managed to win?

 

[Front242]

Yet didn't Ferrer win his only masters title in the fast indoor courts of Paris, a title that Federer has never managed to win?

Two things, firstly those courts are not really that fast and Ferrer's stamina/speed is what allows him to run down all the balls regardless of surface and it's the main reason he won there and secondly, Federer won the Paris Masters in 2011.

 

[Front242]

^ Maybe you meant Nadal He's never won it.

 

[Iona16]

I loved Isner's response to the umpire telling him that there are no tiebreaks in the 5th set.

"I'm fully aware of that."

 

[Mayto]

Yet didn't Ferrer win his only masters title in the fast indoor courts of Paris, a title that Federer has never managed to win?

Two things, firstly those courts are not really that fast and Ferrer's stamina/speed is what allows him to run down all the balls regardless of surface and it's the main reason he won there and secondly, Federer won the Paris Masters in 2011.

My mistake I forgot that Federer won it in 2011 just after they slowed it down. Actually what I remember best was Nalbandian playing superb tennis and beating both Fed and Nadal in 2007. I miss that guy when he was on it was beautiful to watch.

 

[Front242]

^ Yeah, likewise. Nalbandian's play in the 2007 Madrid and Paris Masters was ridiculously good. He's really missed on tour by many. He made monkeys out of the top players in those events. One of the best backhands the game has seen and such a clean ball striker. Such a shame injuries took their toll on him as there are many players much older than him still doing well on tour and no doubt he'd be still around much longer if he could. He was never really the same player since 2009 save for a good set here and there.

 

[Backhand_DTL]

I think Paris indoors was only really fast in 2010, when for example Llodra made the semi final. Since then it's more medium pace with a rather low bounce like the surface used at the WTF.

Indoor hard might actually be Ferrer's best surface as he also reached the final in Paris last year, made the final of the WTF once and won Valencia several times. Even on the really fast court in the Davis Cup final 2012 he had no problems beating Stepanek and Berdych after winning Valencia, Paris and two matches at the WTF in the three weeks before. The combination of medium to high speed and low to medium bounce seems to allow him to dominate the rallies against most players.