Wimbledon 2016 discussion

[Fiero425]

I think what we learned here is Fed got some bad advice about returning from injury. I suspect had he sat out clay season entirely and restarted training and play during grass season he may have fared better than he is currently.

May be so in hindsight. But, hindsight is 20/20.

He was not doing things like crazy. He heeded the signs and skipped IW, Miami and Madrid. I would not want to second guess him.

Also, when you are coming back from injury, you are worried and anxious to test out as to where you stand. That is one of the reasons why people come back quickly.

He's an informed mature man! He came back because he felt compelled to do so at his age; doubtful an extended break might be his last! :angel:

 

[GameSetAndMath]

All seeds for Wimby are now set. The top 12 are given below.

1. Novak
2. Andy
3. Fed
4. Stan
5. Kei
6. Milos
7. Gasquet
8. Thiem
9. Cilic
10. Bird
11. Goffin
12. Tsonga

Zevrev got #24 seed and this mean he does not have to face a top 8 player in R32. :clap

You can find the complete list of seeded players here .

 

[GameSetAndMath]

With the seeds set, we can now ponder about "dangerous floaters" . These are unseeded players who are capable of causing a mild, medium or even heavy upsets, but are almost sure to not follow up on it, much less win the whole tourney. Here are some in random order.

1. JMDP ---- Former GS winner, coming back from injury, eager to reassert himself,
reached SF in Stuttgart.

2. Nicolas Mahut ---- Grass court specialist, Marathon match fame, Winner of Netherlands grass warm-up this year, pushed Andy to two TB sets in the opener at Queens.

3. Lukas Rosol ---- Nadal Slayer, Boom Boom Server, When his serve and forehand clicks could be dangerous to anyone.

4. Verdasco ---- Almost took out Andy at Wimbledon recently (apart from his famed SF match at AO long time ago).

5. Brown ---- Grass court specialist, unconventional player, trick short expert, Rafa Slayer.

6. Stepanek ---- S&V player, does not give rhythm to opponents, have years of experience.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

The qualifying event starts on Monday, the 20th of June. The draw is out. As usual, 128 players participate and 16 players who win three matches in a row qualify.

Some names that I could quickly recognize in the quals are T. De Bakker, M. Berrer, M. Chiudinelli, R. Harrison, D. Brands and teenagers Q. Halys, F. Tiafoe and A. Rublev.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

As many as seven different players have entered Wimbledon using protected rankings (remember that protected rankings gets you only entry and not seeding). They are JMDP, Florian Mayer, Julien Benneteau, Janko Tipsaravic, Brian Baker, Yen-Husn Lu and Dimity Tursunov. While I am not sure, I think this may be a record for multiple folks coming back to a GS after long injury breaks.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Wimbledon wisely decides to not use two of the wildcards (instead of giving them to british players ranked 40,000,001) and lets the players in the pipeline enter. Santiago Grialdo and Struff are the beneficiaries.

 

[Fiero425]

As many as seven different players have entered Wimbledon using protected rankings (remember that protected rankings gets you only entry and not seeding). They are JMDP, Florian Mayer, Julien Benneteau, Janko Tipsaravic, Brian Baker, Yen-Husn Lu and Dimity Tursunov. While I am not sure, I think this may be a record for multiple folks coming back to a GS after long injury breaks.

I think that's ridiculous! That's not other players fault/responsibility to give automatic entry to "run of the mill" players because they overplayed and hurt themselves! It should be reserved for the top players who seem to be able to come back seamlessly and continue winning; not some schlub like Tursunov! :cover :nono

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Here are the latest odds after the important tourneys of Queens and Halle got done.

1. Novak ---- 8/11
2. Andy ---- 18/5
3. Federer --- 14
4. Milos --- 33/2
5. Kyrgios --- 25
6. Stan --- 30
7. Nishikori --- 40
8. Thiem --- 50
9. JMDP --- 66
10. Zevrev --- 100

All other players have odds of 120 or worse.

For comparison, here are the odds from a week ago after Stuttgart and Netherlands tourneys got completed. Significant Changes are as follows: Fed deteriorated little bit, Milos improved considerably (but still behind Fed) and teenager Zevrev gets recognized as a contender (ahead of folks like Gasquet, Berdych, Cilic, Tsonga, Ferrer, Goffin etc).

 

[Front242]

Here are the latest odds after the important tourneys of Queens and Halle got done.

1. Novak ---- 8/11
2. Andy ---- 18/5
3. Federer --- 14
4. Milos --- 33/2
5. Kyrgios --- 25
6. Stan --- 30
7. Nishikori --- 40
8. Thiem --- 50
9. JMDP --- 66
10. Zevrev --- 100

All other players have odds worse than 120 or worse.

For comparison, here are the odds from a week ago after Stuttgart and Netherlands tourneys got completed. Significant Changes are as follows: Fed deteriorated little bit, Milos improved considerably (but still behind Fed) and teenager Zevrev gets recognized as a contender (ahead of folks like Gasquet, Berdych, Cilic, Tsonga, Ferrer, Goffin etc).

Not sure I agree with putting Zverev ahead of Goffin and Berdych personally but the others possibly. Never know with Gasquet and Tsonga how they'll fare but my guess is they'll lose in a 5 setter to someone who shouldn't beat them.

 

[golds girl]

Here are the latest odds after the important tourneys of Queens and Halle got done.

1. Novak ---- 8/11
2. Andy ---- 18/5
3. Federer --- 14
4. Milos --- 33/2
5. Kyrgios --- 25
6. Stan --- 30
7. Nishikori --- 40
8. Thiem --- 50
9. JMDP --- 66
10. Zevrev --- 100

All other players have odds worse than 120 or worse.

For comparison, here are the odds from a week ago after Stuttgart and Netherlands tourneys got completed. Significant Changes are as follows: Fed deteriorated little bit, Milos improved considerably (but still behind Fed) and teenager Zevrev gets recognized as a contender (ahead of folks like Gasquet, Berdych, Cilic, Tsonga, Ferrer, Goffin etc).

Not sure I agree with putting Zverev ahead of Goffin and Berdych personally but the others possibly. Never know with Gasquet and Tsonga how they'll fare but my guess is they'll lose in a 5 setter to someone who shouldn't beat them.

Agreed. Putting Zverev, who is very inexperienced, in front of a former finalist and more experienced up-and-comer seems very 'prisoner of the moment':huh:

 

[Fiero425]

Golds Girl said:

"Agreed. Putting Zverev, who is very inexperienced in front of a former finalist and more experienced up-and-comer seems very 'prisoner of the moment'

But Zverev is on a run! Sometimes experience weighs on the veteran! How many good runs at majors do Tsonga, Cilic, Berdych, & Ferrer have with 50+ opportunities? They stink! I'm going all in with Zverev and Theim! We can only hope Kei and Milos back up their results! I'm so hoping they all continue this great stretch of tournament results! "Please back it up next season guys!" ;-/

 

[herios]

I would put Mahut definitely before Zverev, the guy has 4 titles on grass.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Here are the latest odds after the important tourneys of Queens and Halle got done.

1. Novak ---- 8/11
2. Andy ---- 18/5
3. Federer --- 14
4. Milos --- 33/2
5. Kyrgios --- 25
6. Stan --- 30
7. Nishikori --- 40
8. Thiem --- 50
9. JMDP --- 66
10. Zevrev --- 100

All other players have odds worse than 120 or worse.

For comparison, here are the odds from a week ago after Stuttgart and Netherlands tourneys got completed. Significant Changes are as follows: Fed deteriorated little bit, Milos improved considerably (but still behind Fed) and teenager Zevrev gets recognized as a contender (ahead of folks like Gasquet, Berdych, Cilic, Tsonga, Ferrer, Goffin etc).

Not sure I agree with putting Zverev ahead of Goffin and Berdych personally but the others possibly. Never know with Gasquet and Tsonga how they'll fare but my guess is they'll lose in a 5 setter to someone who shouldn't beat them.

Agreed. Putting Zverev, who is very inexperienced, in front of a former finalist and more experienced up-and-comer seems very 'prisoner of the moment':huh:

1. The Berdychs and Tsongas of the world have proven many times that they cannot deliver and so it does make some sense.

2. The odds are for winning the tourney, not for merely going deep. Berdych, Gasquet etc certainly have greater chances of going deep, but Zevrev probably has greater chances of winning.

3. It is not like they are giving Zevrev a great chance to win either. They are just giving him 1% chance, that's all.

4. Finally, the odds have to be understood from "business perspective" as well. Lots of people would be likely to put money on Zevrev if they give him good odds than otherwise as he is currently trending. The bookies can have fun looting all these money as Zevrev is not yet ready to win a major.

 

[Front242]

Yes but Berdych almost always consistently makes slam quarters and while I don't expect him or Zverev to win Wimbledon I can see Berdych, for example, easily going further in the tournament. The bookies imo have that very wrong. As herios pointed out Mahut should be there at number 10 instead of Zverev. Neither will win but Mahut with a good draw has potential to go further.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Yes but Berdych almost always consistently makes slam quarters and while I don't expect him or Zverev to win Wimbledon I can see Berdych, for example, easily going further in the tournament. The bookies imo have that very wrong. As herios pointed out Mahut should be there at number 10 instead of Zverev. Neither will win but Mahut with a good draw has potential to go further.

That is exactly the point. The odds posted are for winning Wimbledon. If you put money on some person, you get reward only if they win. If they lose you lose your money independent of whether your guy loses in the first round or in the finals. So, it does make sense to say that Zevrev has greater chances of winning as a long shot than the Birds. On the other hand if you are betting for going deep, Birds have better chances.

 

[El Dude]

GameSetAndMath, it Zverev not Zevrev.

 

[Carol]

Great day yesterday, Muzz, Mayer and Cleveland win! clap:clap
Shame Mayer has been with injuries, he is a great player and seems to be very confortable playing on grass

 

[herios]

I will be in Europe for the next 3+ weeks so I will be less on line than usual.
All I want to say Go Nole for the 13!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And I hope Milos will have also a good event.

Cheers everyone.

 

[El Dude]

herios, Novak vs. Milos in the final - who do you want to win? My guess is Novak, but wouldn't a Canadian hoisting a Slam trophy be sweet?

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Looks like there was lot of rain on the opening day of qualifying. Only 15 matches got completed. Notable winner is Q. Halys who served a bagel and a breadstick to his opponent. Veteran T.DeBakker was shown the door.