Wimbledon 2014 final: Federer vs Djokovic

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Fiero425 said:
Turned over to the replay on ABC and the 1st game just finished! What in the world were they doing for almost 20 min.? I hope TCC cuts a lot of that crap out; losing points and games with ABC's telecast trying to fit 4 hours into 3! :rolleyes: - They're still referencing "The Big 4;" Why? I think I read that Murray will drop to #10 as of tomorrow's new rankings!

Sport is so unpredictable. Murray could win the US Open now and leave everyone scratching their heads. I don't expect him to but anything can and does happen.
 

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It was a great match and I thoroughly enjoyed even though I did not get the outcome
that I wanted.

Congratulations to Novak and his fans. If Novak had lost this one after holding a
match point in the 4th set, it would surely have devastated him (at least for a while)
especially considering the multitude of GS finals he lost recently.

I especially liked the resiliency shown by both players in the face of adversity.
 

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I couldn't watch it live, so I just finished watching it on DVR.

Congrats to Novak! :clap :celeb:

He deserved the win, and fought hard for it. We've seen him go away in the past after losing sets such as what happened today in the fourth, but this wasn't the case.

It was also great to be reminded of the kind of tennis these two are capable of bringing out in each other. When they're both on, it can be breathtaking and dramatic. Compare this year's final with last year's: there's no doubt which match-up produces the better tennis. This was their best match since the USO semifinals a few years ago.

To the Fed-fans: sorry about the loss. I know it was a bad one, especially considering how few chances Roger has had to add to his total over the last two years. Roger's still my No. 2 guy, so I was rooting for him, too.
 

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P.S. --

Djokovic fans: It's not easy watching your favorite not convert a championship point in the fourth set, is it? Watching today brought back the near heart-attack-inducing anxiety of the fourth set tiebreak in '08. It's all worth it after winning in the fifth, but getting there ...
 

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tented said:
P.S. --

Djokovic fans: It's not easy watching your favorite not convert a championship point in the fourth set, is it? Watching today brought back the near heart-attack-inducing anxiety of the fourth set tiebreak in '08. It's all worth it after winning in the fifth, but getting there ...

I know! I didn't feel like I even got to enjoy the aesthetics of the match.
 

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tented said:
P.S. --

Djokovic fans: It's not easy watching your favorite not convert a championship point in the fourth set, is it? Watching today brought back the near heart-attack-inducing anxiety of the fourth set tiebreak in '08. It's all worth it after winning in the fifth, but getting there ...

That's it. I thought Novak regathered very well in the fifth today. He looked like he was going to cry at the end of the fourth. He didn't have much time to pull it together, either.

I wonder does anybody else think that Federer came out in the fifth and didn't try force the momentum he'd gotten? I thought that he started the fifth set as if they both had a clean slate. He'd broke Nole 3 out of the previous 4 times, and he had the younger man under huge pressure. Nole, for his part, was doing things well, so I'll have to re-watch those early games in the fifth.

Where Nole really looked like he was going for the win (instead of - in Jimmy Connors words - waiting for Federer to lose) was when he was break point down at 3-3. Both players played great games under pressure then, but Nole actually became very aggressive on the break point, even to the point of charging the net...
 

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Riotbeard said:
tented said:
P.S. --

Djokovic fans: It's not easy watching your favorite not convert a championship point in the fourth set, is it? Watching today brought back the near heart-attack-inducing anxiety of the fourth set tiebreak in '08. It's all worth it after winning in the fifth, but getting there ...

I know! I didn't feel like I even got to enjoy the aesthetics of the match.

You'll have to watch it again, when you can relax and enjoy it, and not have to worry about the outcome.

To this day, however, no matter how many times I've seen it, and despite knowing how it ends, I still can't watch a replay of the '08 fourth set tiebreak without my heart rate going up. In a way, this keeps it special, which you may find yourself when you re-watch today's final.
 

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Here are the stats of the match.

Novak Djokovic (SRB) Roger Federer (SUI)
13 Aces 29
3 Double faults 5
108 of 174 = 62 % 1st serves in 133 of 192 = 69 %
79 of 108 = 73 % 1st serve points won 102 of 133 = 77 %
43 of 66 = 65 % 2nd serve points won 26 of 59 = 44 %
124 MPH Fastest serve 127 MPH
116 MPH Average 1st serve speed 115 MPH
92 MPH Average 2nd serve speed 100 MPH
26 of 35 = 74 % Net points won 44 of 67 = 66 %
4 of 15 = 27 % Break points won 3 of 7 = 43 %
64 of 192 = 33 % Receiving points won 52 of 174 = 30 %
68 Winners 75
27 Unforced errors 29
186 Total points won 180

Fed wins in (Aces - Doublerfaults) with a score of 24 to 10.
Fed wins in (Winners - UFE) with a score of 46 to 41.

Fed's second serve points won percentage is bad. That seems to
be the only other stat that stands out that can explain the result may be.
 

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Kieran said:
tented said:
P.S. --

Djokovic fans: It's not easy watching your favorite not convert a championship point in the fourth set, is it? Watching today brought back the near heart-attack-inducing anxiety of the fourth set tiebreak in '08. It's all worth it after winning in the fifth, but getting there ...

That's it. I thought Novak regathered very well in the fifth today. He looked like he was going to cry at the end of the fourth. He didn't have much time to pull it together, either.

I wonder does anybody else think that Federer came out in the fifth and didn't try force the momentum he'd gotten? I thought that he started the fifth set as if they both had a clean slate. He'd broke Nole 3 out of the previous 4 times, and he had the younger man under huge pressure. Nole, for his part, was doing things well, so I'll have to re-watch those early games in the fifth.

Where Nole really looked like he was going for the win (instead of - in Jimmy Connors words - waiting for Federer to lose) was when he was break point down at 3-3. Both players played great games under pressure then, but Nole actually became very aggressive on the break point, even to the point of charging the net...

Yeah Kieran he didn't really try hard enough start of set 5 but also the problem was he served 2nd to in both sets 4 and 5 which hurt his chances somewhat maybe. Playing catch up all set 5 I could see the poor service game a mile off at 4-5. While Djokovic's return was pressuring him often it didn't need to there in that last game. He lost with 4 unforced errors rather lamely but all the same a valiant effort considering his age. I'd be happier if Djokovic had won it by serving out instead of Federer managing to completely mess up his last service game, especially since to me he looked the one physically in better nick at the end. 27 year old takes a MTO and calls the trainer one additional time and the near 33 year old just sits there. Testament to the old dude. :cool: Still wish he'd made it 5-5 so we could've seen a better fight at the end though.
 

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Wow, didn't realize Fed had 29 aces! And still lost. FFS :cry;) Now I know how Isner feels. 52 aces against Lopez and lost lol!
 

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Yeah, Federer must eat well to be so fit. I wonder how he does it. He did look fitter at the end, and he also had great pace throughout. I think it was break point in the fourth where Novak hit the deck getting back a forehand and Roger legged it cross to put away his own forehand....
 

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Even Mirka smiled a lot at the end 'cos it's one thing losing 6-2 6-2 6-0 but fighting so hard at his age is admirable. Hopefully he'll get over the disappointment quickly 'cos there's a lot more tennis left this year.
 

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Kieran said:
Yeah, Federer must eat well to be so fit. I wonder how he does it. He did look fitter at the end, and he also had great pace throughout. I think it was break point in the fourth where Novak hit the deck getting back a forehand and Roger legged it cross to put away his own forehand....

Yeah, was impressed how quickly he got to that ball alright. Imagine they'll both eat like a horse now after that.
 

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GameSetAndMath said:
Here are the stats of the match.

Novak Djokovic (SRB) Roger Federer (SUI)
13 Aces 29
3 Double faults 5
108 of 174 = 62 % 1st serves in 133 of 192 = 69 %
79 of 108 = 73 % 1st serve points won 102 of 133 = 77 %
43 of 66 = 65 % 2nd serve points won 26 of 59 = 44 %
124 MPH Fastest serve 127 MPH
116 MPH Average 1st serve speed 115 MPH
92 MPH Average 2nd serve speed 100 MPH
26 of 35 = 74 % Net points won 44 of 67 = 66 %
4 of 15 = 27 % Break points won 3 of 7 = 43 %
64 of 192 = 33 % Receiving points won 52 of 174 = 30 %
68 Winners 75
27 Unforced errors 29
186 Total points won 180

Fed wins in (Aces - Doublerfaults) with a score of 24 to 10.
Fed wins in (Winners - UFE) with a score of 46 to 41.

Fed's second serve points won percentage is bad. That seems to
be the only other stat that stands out that can explain the result may be.

Thanks! Will make this info a part of my blog! :rolleyes:
 

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GameSetAndMath said:
Here are the stats of the match.

Novak Djokovic (SRB) Roger Federer (SUI)
13 Aces 29
3 Double faults 5
108 of 174 = 62 % 1st serves in 133 of 192 = 69 %
79 of 108 = 73 % 1st serve points won 102 of 133 = 77 %
43 of 66 = 65 % 2nd serve points won 26 of 59 = 44 %
124 MPH Fastest serve 127 MPH
116 MPH Average 1st serve speed 115 MPH
92 MPH Average 2nd serve speed 100 MPH
26 of 35 = 74 % Net points won 44 of 67 = 66 %
4 of 15 = 27 % Break points won 3 of 7 = 43 %
64 of 192 = 33 % Receiving points won 52 of 174 = 30 %
68 Winners 75
27 Unforced errors 29
186 Total points won 180

Fed wins in (Aces - Doublerfaults) with a score of 24 to 10.
Fed wins in (Winners - UFE) with a score of 46 to 41.

Fed's second serve points won percentage is bad. That seems to
be the only other stat that stands out that can explain the result may be.

I was thinking the same as I read through the numbers. He served well (69%), but it needed to be even higher (at least mid 70's) against an amazing returner/retriever like Djokovic, and the vulnerability when having to hit a second serve was a significant part of his undoing. Think of how many ROS winners Novak hit on Fed's second serve.

For Novak, what stands out are the net points: that he even came to the net 35 times, and won 26 of them. I suspect that's something Becker pushed, and rightly so.
 

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Front242 said:
Even Mirka smiled a lot at the end 'cos it's one thing losing 6-2 6-2 6-0 but fighting so hard at his age is admirable. Hopefully he'll get over the disappointment quickly 'cos there's a lot more tennis left this year.

If he serves like today, he could easily win the WTF.
 

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Was reading along and realized that this was a victory over Fedal today. In beating Roger at Wimbledon, No1e knocked Ra2a out of first place. Nice job. :)
 

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Riotbeard said:
Front242 said:
Even Mirka smiled a lot at the end 'cos it's one thing losing 6-2 6-2 6-0 but fighting so hard at his age is admirable. Hopefully he'll get over the disappointment quickly 'cos there's a lot more tennis left this year.

If he serves like today, he could easily win the WTF.

Yeah, it'd be a good end to the year alright.
 

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Kieran said:
tented said:
P.S. --

Djokovic fans: It's not easy watching your favorite not convert a championship point in the fourth set, is it? Watching today brought back the near heart-attack-inducing anxiety of the fourth set tiebreak in '08. It's all worth it after winning in the fifth, but getting there ...

That's it. I thought Novak regathered very well in the fifth today. He looked like he was going to cry at the end of the fourth. He didn't have much time to pull it together, either.

I wonder does anybody else think that Federer came out in the fifth and didn't try force the momentum he'd gotten? I thought that he started the fifth set as if they both had a clean slate. He'd broke Nole 3 out of the previous 4 times, and he had the younger man under huge pressure. Nole, for his part, was doing things well, so I'll have to re-watch those early games in the fifth.

Where Nole really looked like he was going for the win (instead of - in Jimmy Connors words - waiting for Federer to lose) was when he was break point down at 3-3. Both players played great games under pressure then, but Nole actually became very aggressive on the break point, even to the point of charging the net...

You hit the nail on the head regarding fed in the 5th set. Same deal with 2008, all the momentum in the world and he came out playing not to lose. He should have been jumping all over Nole to start the 5th but generally was weak throughout the final set and made it an easy set for Nole to take home.
 

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nehmeth said:
Was reading along and realized that this was a victory over Fedal today. In beating Roger at Wimbledon, No1e knocked Ra2a out of first place. Nice job. :)

Ah yes, I was wondering where that '1' was on my keyboard :snigger.

Next target: Cincy. Hope No1e takes all masters titles before anyone else does.