What on Earth is going on in the world today? It's gone mad

[Moxie]

There are tests for that, to see if you are "reagent". They have it in smaller quantities, I guess, but they surely exist, as they are being used (in a very small scale) here.

Good to know it's being worked on.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

I heard an interesting point made today about the value of massive testing, and the ability to test for the anti-body. A writer was being interviewed in DC...he and his wife believe they got it early on, got sick, got better. But they couldn't get tested, so they're not sure, and are still practicing social distancing, working from home, etc. With the assumption that if you've had it you can't get it again, (and Faucci says he'd bet seriously that will be the case,) this man points out that he and his wife could go back to work, physically, could take meals to elderly neighbors, etc. I hadn't thought of this, but I hope that the medical community and the politicians are aiming hard at that, especially if they want to get a lot of us back to work. Getting a mild form of a disease is the old-fashioned system of innoculation. This is not an argument for the "herd immunity" approach, of course, but people are definitely getting it and recovering from it. If we could test them, and be sure that they are immune, that could start getting us back to work and the economies moving, however slowly. It's something.

I don't think the same test will work. But, I guess there could be another test to see whether you have the anitbodies.

The original test does not work by checking whether you have antibodies. It works by checking whether you actually have virus.

 

[Moxie]

I don't think the same test will work. But, I guess there could be another test to see whether you have the anitbodies.

The original test does not work by checking whether you have antibodies. It works by checking whether you actually have virus.

No, I get that. That's why they're saying that that test for where you DID have it the past doesn't exist. Mrzz says that it does in Brazil. But it would be useful.

 

[mrzz]

How Covid-19 immunity testing can help people get back to work

We need to find out who has the antibodies to the virus.

www.vox.com

 

[calitennis127]

lol! "evidence".... what an utter moron...

Hey Tinfoil Federturd.....nice to see you are alive and being as dumb as always. I figured you'd be the stupid mouse that you are and go for the cheese. And of course you did. Unfortunately for you, you show absolutely no improvement at all in decreasing your stupidity.

Predictably you said that these were just two cases and that we can't draw any wider conclusions. I knew you would say this because you get your info from the same predictable mainstream sources that cover up reality over and over. So allow me to enlighten you with some info that you haven't heard. Here you go, dumbass.

1) There was a recent French study showing that the cure touted by Trump is indeed effective.

French study finds anti-malarial and antibiotic combo could reduce COVID-19 duration
March 19, 2020

French study finds anti-malarial and antibiotic combo could reduce COVID-19 duration

A new study whose results were published in the International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents has found early evidence that the combination of hydroxychloroquine, a popular anti-malaria drug known under the trade name Plaqenuil, and antibiotic azithromycin (aka Zithromax or Azithrocin) could be...

techcrunch.com

2) There is a Hasidic Jewish doctor in NYC who has used this combo to cure over 600 COVID-19 patients already:

This doctor was already treating patients with Trump’s ‘gift from God’ drug - before FDA approval

March 24, 2020

This doctor was already treating patients with Trump’s ‘gift from God’ drug - before FDA approval

A Hasidic doctor is using hydroxychloroquine to treat patients for coronavirus, as Trump touts the drug.

forward.com

3) A Johns Hopkins professor indicated to Forbes that he is at least somewhat optimistic about this combo:

Referring to the French study: “Despite the limitations of this study, in the absence of any effective treatment, in this urgent situation, this Plaquenil and Azithromycin combination therapy should be given to patients with COVID-19 as a treatment option,” Ying Zhang, a professor of microbiology at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, wrote in an email. “For now, there is no time to wait.”

This Coronavirus Patient Dodged A Bullet With Hydroxychloroquine. Is She A Harbinger Or Outlier?
Mar 22, 2020

This Coronavirus Patient Dodged A Bullet With Hydroxychloroquine. Is She A Harbinger Or Outlier?

Margaret Novins is on the leading edge of a real-time experiment to see what works for COVID-19.

www.forbes.com

So put that in your pipe and smoke it.

 

[calitennis127]

You know nothing of the rest of the world (and little about the US but that's neither here nor there)

LMAO.....this fucking idiot saying that someone else doesn't know much about the United States. The same moron who has zero knowledge of right-wing sources in the United States and uses the term "genocidal war ideology" to make himself sound educated.

Goodness gracious.....just when you think you've seen it all, nope. Something even dumber comes along.

Or is capitalism a US monopoly?

I know exactly what I said, dickface. My exact quote was this: "Free-market economics have done more to raise the international standard of living as well as life expectancy than any economic system."

You see, one thing that you don't know - since you are so uninformed and poorly educated - is that there is such a thing as a right-wing opposition force in the West. The people within that opposition force make intellectual arguments you have no familiarity with. They have produced countless studies and writings showing that free-market economics have benefited the entire planet, not just the United States.

You're welcome for teaching you something dipshit.

if it dawned on you how stupid you sound. I'm serious. One sentence into a post and it's already invalidated. What a fucking moron.

Right! Stupid to you! But that's because you are sources of information are so limited and you don't even know it, stupid boy! It's not my fault that you have zero knowledge or awareness of such a thing as an intellectual right-wing opposition.

Here, allow me to let you in on a little secret that your white left-wing gods never told you about: two of the foremost pro-capitalist economists in the United States are African-Americans, and they have both written extensively on how capitalism has benefited the WORLD, not just the United States. But you don't know that because of how limited and restricted your sources of info are. You think you have a wide breadth of knowledge when, in reality, you operate inside an extremely narrow tunnel. It's quite funny actually.

 

[calitennis127]

As is stands, it's certainly not the magic "cure" Cali is selling... particularly as the two subjects were in very low-risk groups. Cali himself has been telling us for weeks that the only people who die are 80 year olds living in regions infested with Wuhan ex-pats.

No, there have been studies in both China and France showing that the hydroxycholoroquine-azithromyacin combo is effective. Also - besides the cases in Michigan, Florida, and New Jersey of individuals being cured - there has been a Hasidic Jewish doctor in New York City who has already cured upwards of 600 COVID-19 patients with the combo. The media are covering this up because they don't want Trump to be vindicated.

This doctor was already treating patients with Trump’s ‘gift from God’ drug - before FDA approval

March 24, 2020

"On Tuesday morning, the controversial and experimental coronavirus treatment program being run by a Hasidic doctor who claimed he had kept more than 500 symptomatic patients out of the hospital was shut down. By afternoon, after intervention from the White House, it was up and running again."

This doctor was already treating patients with Trump’s ‘gift from God’ drug - before FDA approval

A Hasidic doctor is using hydroxychloroquine to treat patients for coronavirus, as Trump touts the drug.

forward.com

 

[calitennis127]

Or this is a complete coincidence. The people taking these drugs may have ended up in the same place even if they had never taken these drugs.

If someone with the flu, takes an antacid, then gets better, that doesn’t mean the antacid was the cure. It was just a coincidence.

Right, so I guess the Hasidic Jewish doctor who has cured over 600 patients in NYC from COVID-19 with this combo has simply seen a few hundred coincidences. Yes, exactly tented.

Thank you for being so balanced, like Pete Buttaplug, the mayor from South Bend. Serious people such as he - the Pilgrim-look-alike who talks slowly like he is recovering from a concussion that won't go away - don't take Trump's suggested cure seriously.

But wait, there are apparently some serious medical professionals who take this cure seriously. The FDA just approved the drugs that Trump touted. Does that make them legitimate now Teeinted? Maybe Dr. Fauci is right that Trump is no dummy. Just maybe. Sorry to burst your bubble. I know how badly you want Trump's suggestion to not work out.

FDA Approves Anti-Malarial Drugs Chloroquine And Hydroxychloroquine For Emergency Coronavirus Treatment
Mar 30, 2020

FDA Authorizes Anti-Malarial Drugs Chloroquine And Hydroxychloroquine For Emergency Coronavirus Treatment

There is little evidence chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine are effective, but the president continues to tout them.

www.forbes.com

 

[GameSetAndMath]

I am kind of embarrassed that I got in this "competitive" mode, and I am truly sorry for that. But, aaarrrrgghhhh, it is maddening to follow what is going on here.

Wow, even
facebook has to interven throw out your president's misinformation . You win unconditionally. I used to have some respect for Brazilians - How come you guys elected him.

On a related note, how come there are so many idiotic presidents and prime ministers all over the world at the same time. Usually, there would be a fair share of idiots and reasonable people at the helm of different countries.

 

[Moxie]

No, there have been studies in both China and France showing that the hydroxycholoroquine-azithromyacin combo is effective. Also - besides the cases in Michigan, Florida, and New Jersey of individuals being cured - there has been a Hasidic Jewish doctor in New York City who has already cured upwards of 600 COVID-19 patients with the combo. The media are covering this up because they don't want Trump to be vindicated.

This doctor was already treating patients with Trump’s ‘gift from God’ drug - before FDA approval

March 24, 2020

"On Tuesday morning, the controversial and experimental coronavirus treatment program being run by a Hasidic doctor who claimed he had kept more than 500 symptomatic patients out of the hospital was shut down. By afternoon, after intervention from the White House, it was up and running again."

This doctor was already treating patients with Trump’s ‘gift from God’ drug - before FDA approval

A Hasidic doctor is using hydroxychloroquine to treat patients for coronavirus, as Trump touts the drug.

forward.com

Cali, this is no more than a blog post. They even write the number 350 as "35o". This is not scientific data, it is still in the realm of anecdotal. This from Snopes on that. The doctor has published no data and it's all on his word. That's not really how scientific testing works. No controls, say, for age or other factors.

Right, so I guess the Hasidic Jewish doctor who has cured over 600 patients in NYC from COVID-19 with this combo has simply seen a few hundred coincidences. Yes, exactly tented.

Thank you for being so balanced, like Pete Buttaplug, the mayor from South Bend. Serious people such as he - the Pilgrim-look-alike who talks slowly like he is recovering from a concussion that won't go away - don't take Trump's suggested cure seriously.

But wait, there are apparently some serious medical professionals who take this cure seriously. The FDA just approved the drugs that Trump touted. Does that make them legitimate now Teeinted? Maybe Dr. Fauci is right that Trump is no dummy. Just maybe. Sorry to burst your bubble. I know how badly you want Trump's suggestion to not work out.

FDA Approves Anti-Malarial Drugs Chloroquine And Hydroxychloroquine For Emergency Coronavirus Treatment
Mar 30, 2020

FDA Authorizes Anti-Malarial Drugs Chloroquine And Hydroxychloroquine For Emergency Coronavirus Treatment

There is little evidence chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine are effective, but the president continues to tout them.

www.forbes.com

You really should read the things you post. We're all hoping that something works, even if just as a placeholder until we get a vaccine. You do understand how clinical trials work though, right? This is provisionally approved because it is less likely to cause more harm than good. Sure, if I got the virus, or someone I loved did, I'd want them to give this a try. But to pronounce it a cure is before time.

 

[calitennis127]

Cali, this is no more than a blog post. They even write the number 350 as "35o". This is not scientific data, it is still in the realm of anecdotal. This from Snopes on that. The doctor has published no data and it's all on his word. That's not really how scientific testing works. No controls, say, for age or other factors.

That's why I mentioned the French study first (which has been corroborated by a second French study). I am looking at multiple indicators, including the success stories in Michigan, Florida, and New Jersey in addition to the Hasidic Jewish doctor in New York City. When you put all that together, I see a high probability of this being the solution.

Sure, if I got the virus, or someone I loved did, I'd want them to give this a try. But to pronounce it a cure is before time.

Perhaps so, but I think there is enough evidence between the French studies, the FDA sanctioning, and the success stories now in 4 different U.S. states to say that this combo is a very safe bet to be the answer. I know that most Democrats don't want it to be the solution because they don't want Trump to be vindicated but the evidence is mounting. The strongest indication is the success of the Hasidic Jewish doctor in New York City.....600+ successes is not a coincidence.

 

[Moxie]

How Covid-19 immunity testing can help people get back to work

We need to find out who has the antibodies to the virus.

www.vox.com

That's exactly what I was talking about. Thanks. Good to know it's seriously in the works. This suggests, as I have heard otherwise, that people may need to be tested and retested. There are false-negatives for the virus, and it could take time to test appropriately for the presence of the antibody. South Korea and Germany seem to have got it right that testing massively is one of the best answers.

 

[calitennis127]

Sweden has taken more of my approach and has had decent success. I'm sure Britbox would be disappointed that they aren't being hysterical enough in shutting down all small businesses at gunpoint and requiring everyone to stay home until June 30th.

No lockdown here: Sweden defends its more relaxed coronavirus strategy
PUBLISHED MON, MAR 30

Unlike its immediate neighbors Denmark, Finland and Norway, Sweden has not closed its borders or its schools; neither has it closed non-essential businesses or banned gatherings of more than two people, like the U.K. and Germany.

No lockdown here: Sweden defends its more relaxed coronavirus strategy

While the rest of Europe imposes severe restrictions on public life and closes borders and businesses, Sweden is taking a more relaxed approach to the coronavirus outbreak.

www.cnbc.com

 

[Moxie]

That's why I mentioned the French study first (which has been corroborated by a second French study). I am looking at multiple indicators, including the success stories in Michigan, Florida, and New Jersey in addition to the Hasidic Jewish doctor in New York City. When you put all that together, I see a high probability of this being the solution.



Perhaps so, but I think there is enough evidence between the French studies, the FDA sanctioning, and the success stories now in 4 different U.S. states to say that this combo is a very safe bet to be the answer. I know that most Democrats don't want it to be the solution because they don't want Trump to be vindicated but the evidence is mounting. The strongest indication is the success of the Hasidic Jewish doctor in New York City.....600+ successes is not a coincidence.

Why do you need to say 50 times that that particular doctor is a Hasidic Jew? Has that anything to do with his work? Are all of his success cases in the Hasidic community? Because that would have bearing on the results. Aside from that, I think you're wrong that people would politicize a solution. But, as I mentioned before, even still, with France and your 600 cases in NY and other success stories, you do understand why this doesn't qualify as scientific data or a solution. And I'm not trying to be contrarian. But think of it this way: you're the one who has insisted this is a disease that takes the aged, above all. That young people will probably survive with just some days of discomfort, or even if they have to get on ventilators. Well, what if all the cases that have been treated with this protocol are young? Doesn't that imply to you that they were going to get better anyway? Perhaps it just ameliorates symptoms. So who were all of these people that got better with this combination of medicines? Were they desperately sick and on ventilators? Were they young or old? One key question would be how many were desperately sick and in a high risk category, and recovered. I don't see that the data is clear on that. That really would mean something. Otherwise, even though you give @tented a hard time for saying sometimes it's coincidental, sometimes it is. Patients in a low-risk category with milder symptoms might have done as well with chicken soup, same as for the flu or common cold. We're all hoping that this could be at least one answer, until there's a vaccine. Of course we are. But you can't stand on the notion that this is a cure and we're denying it for political reasons. There is no science to bear that out that I can see.

 

[calitennis127]

Why do you need to say 50 times that that particular doctor is a Hasidic Jew? Has that anything to do with his work?

Because he has been identified that way in numerous news stories and, with streams of information constantly coming in from all angles, it's an easy thing to remember.

Aside from that, I think you're wrong that people would politicize a solution.

You have to be kidding. The fury with which the Nevada governor reacted to this possible solution belies that notion.

But, as I mentioned before, even still, with France and your 600 cases in NY and other success stories, you do understand why this doesn't qualify as scientific data or a solution.

I'm saying there is an encouraging general pattern, especially with the Hasidic Jewish doctor in New York City. ☺

And I'm not trying to be contrarian. But think of it this way: you're the one who has insisted this is a disease that takes the aged, above all. That young people will probably survive with just some days of discomfort, or even if they have to get on ventilators. Well, what if all the cases that have been treated with this protocol are young?

Not everyone who is severely affected is old. There are occasional young people who are severely affected. And if you read up on the cases in Michigan, New Jersey, and Florida, you will see that they were individuals who were in really dire straits.

But you can't stand on the notion that this is a cure and we're denying it for political reasons. There is no science to bear that out that I can see.

Perhaps you personally do not have political motivations in this case - especially since your city is the epicenter and you want this to end - in this case but there are more Democrats in the U.S. than just those in New York City. Many outside of NYC are viewing this through a strictly political lens.

 

[Moxie]

Sweden has taken more of my approach and has had decent success. I'm sure Britbox would be disappointed that they aren't being hysterical enough in shutting down all small businesses at gunpoint and requiring everyone to stay home until June 30th.

No lockdown here: Sweden defends its more relaxed coronavirus strategy
PUBLISHED MON, MAR 30

Unlike its immediate neighbors Denmark, Finland and Norway, Sweden has not closed its borders or its schools; neither has it closed non-essential businesses or banned gatherings of more than two people, like the U.K. and Germany.

No lockdown here: Sweden defends its more relaxed coronavirus strategy

While the rest of Europe imposes severe restrictions on public life and closes borders and businesses, Sweden is taking a more relaxed approach to the coronavirus outbreak.

www.cnbc.com

It is yet to be seen if this has "decent success." Again, I think you should read more closely the articles that you post. There are Swedes that are concerned about this laissez-faire approach. Time will tell how it works for them.

 

[calitennis127]

This here is just a tiny sample of the info that is out there about how free-market economics has enriched the entire world (not just the USA). Because Bwoken's sources of info are limited and terrible, he has zero exposure to any of these arguments. As I have said numerous times, he has no knowledge whatsoever of right-wing ideas in the West. None. Everything he believes about right-wing thought in the West is a lazy, oversimplified stereotype:

Take Note, America: Capitalism Improved Lives in Africa
May 7, 2019
“Africa is growing” economically “thanks to the free market,” notes Marian Tupy at Human Progress. “Since the new millennium’s start, Africa’s average per capita income rose by more than 50 percent.”

In the 1970s, the economy virtually collapsed in many African countries because they pursued socialism. A classic example is Zambia. By contrast, one African country, Botswana, strongly pursued capitalist economic policies. As a result, it achieved prosperity in an “economic miracle” that converted it from one of the poorest countries on Earth, into one of the wealthiest countries in Africa.

Front Page Featured | MRCTV

www.cnsnews.com

 

[calitennis127]

It is yet to be seen if this has "decent success." Again, I think you should read more closely the articles that you post. There are Swedes that are concerned about this laissez-faire approach. Time will tell how it works for them.

Japan, Taiwan, and Sweden have all taken the approach that I favor. They are limiting cases without annihilating their own economies for weeks on end.

 

[Moxie]

Because he has been identified that way in numerous news stories and, with streams of information constantly coming in from all angles, it's an easy thing to remember.



You have to be kidding. The fury with which the Nevada governor reacted to this possible solution belies that notion.



I'm saying there is an encouraging general pattern, especially with the Hasidic Jewish doctor in New York City. ☺



Not everyone who is severely affected is old. There are occasional young people who are severely affected. And if you read up on the cases in Michigan, New Jersey, and Florida, you will see that they were individuals who were in really dire straits.



Perhaps you personally do not have political motivations in this case - especially since your city is the epicenter and you want this to end - in this case but there are more Democrats in the U.S. than just those in New York City. Many outside of NYC are viewing this through a strictly political lens.

You still don't explain why he needs to be identified as a Hasidic Jew, or if his work is mainly in that community, which would have an affect on his results. You have a inclination to call people out in their differences. I think that's weird and unnecessary. And now, suddenly the afflicted aren't just old? I thought that was one of your rallying cries to getting us all back to work.

I didn't leave my politics at the door just because NY is in the thick of this epidemic. I just think you undersell people in this country. You think patriotism and community is the property of the conservatives. I beg hugely to differ. New York reminded people in this country what community meant after Sept. 11th. I'm expecting that they won't kick us down the road now, no matter how much Trump would like them to. His own home town. SMH.

 

[calitennis127]

I have to say that it's utterly amazing how this is an international board yet there has been virtually no discussion of the WHO, China or the Chinese government's role in all this, like with this gem of a tweet. It's predictable that Tented, Tinfoil Federberg, and the Lebanese Elmer would look past this (since they are obsessed with Trump), but even Britbox and Mrzz are hardly talking about this: