What on Earth is going on in the world today? It's gone mad

[tented]

Re: hydroxychloroquine + Azithromycin

There are indeed a few hospitals here that are testing this protocol (it is important to remark that is not only hydroxychloroquine). Yes, the early results are encouraging (but still early). I am not sure worldwide, but here I can say with some certainty: is not touted as a cure, it is (hopefully) a very useful tool to prevent patients with more acute symptoms to get even worst and end up in a ventilator. In this situation it has proven (so far) very effective -- which is good, given how precious ventilators are.

The bad thing is that, following what happened in the US, here our parrot in chief instantly echoed Trump's words about it, so, as is happening in the US, it also became political. Rumors are spreading that some hospital deliberately chose to test other protocols just because the mega-asshole Bolsonaro pronounced its name, which is something completely idiotic.

Can you imagine the world if this protocol ends up being efficient and the Russians develop a vaccine?

Or this is a complete coincidence. The people taking these drugs may have ended up in the same place even if they had never taken these drugs.

If someone with the flu, takes an antacid, then gets better, that doesn’t mean the antacid was the cure. It was just a coincidence.

 

[britbox]

Or this is a complete coincidence. The people taking these drugs may have ended up in the same place even if they had never taken these drugs.

If someone with the flu, takes an antacid, then gets better, that doesn’t mean the antacid was the cure. It was just a coincidence.

I believe they are running more comprehensive clinical trials in NY... right now, I'd probably go along with Fauci's view that it's anecdotal evidence. As is stands, it's certainly not the magic "cure" Cali is selling... particularly as the two subjects were in very low-risk groups. Cali himself has been telling us for weeks that the only people who die are 80 year olds living in regions infested with Wuhan ex-pats.

 

[Federberg]

Capitalism mate. Limited state intervention and retaining some degree of a local supply chain might just get some extra legs after this.

not sure I ever argued against that Just didn't see the airline industry as being of vital national interest

 

[britbox]

not sure I ever argued against that Just didn't see the airline industry as being of vital national interest

I'd argue that it's still good to keep one in-house but other things should take precedence... power, utilities, healthcare, drugs, comms... some things should never have been allowed to escape to the degree that they have. I certainly think the UK 5G deal needs revisiting ASAP.

 

[mrzz]

Or this is a complete coincidence. The people taking these drugs may have ended up in the same place even if they had never taken these drugs.

If someone with the flu, takes an antacid, then gets better, that doesn’t mean the antacid was the cure. It was just a coincidence.

Yes, it could be the case. That's why the results are preliminary. But there are actual trained doctors/epidemiologists who are cautiously optimistic about that. Right now the best private hospital here is seriously testing this protocol. The rumors circulating among professionals is that, for what this is intended (that is, prevent severe symptoms), it looks promising. As soon as I have some reliable info here, I'll post -- maybe on the "coronavirus cases on your social circles" thread, because I will probably get this info from doctors on the front line here.

At this very moment a lot of different protocols being tested world-wide. Whatever will be accepted as the best option, it won't be as thoroughly tested as the usual cases.

 

[Federberg]

I'd argue that it's still good to keep one in-house but other things should take precedence... power, utilities, healthcare, drugs, comms... some things should never have been allowed to escape to the degree that they have. I certainly think the UK 5G deal needs revisiting ASAP.

you mean 5G with China?

 

[britbox]

you mean 5G with China?

Absolutely.

 

[Federberg]

Absolutely.

while I'm sceptical about the Chinese, I'm not sure I'm quite there yet with that level of paranoia against them. It's not clear to me that America is any better than they are in terms of violating the privacy or security of foreigners. Why do you think they're better?

 

[Jelenafan]

Mexico’s President ALMO made Brazil’s look like a genius in comparison, it’s finally dawning on him...

Mexico's president shifts tone on coronavirus, urges people to stay home, warns of dire consequences

Critics said Mexico's president was downplaying the coronavirus threat. But he has now shifted his tone.

www.latimes.com

 

[Murat Baslamisli]

Our chief medical officer asks people over 70 to self isolate today. Should have been the first measure against this thing when we first new about this thing and the elderly.

 

[mrzz]

Mexico’s President ALMO made Brazil’s look like a genius in comparison, it’s finally dawning on him...

Mexico's president shifts tone on coronavirus, urges people to stay home, warns of dire consequences

Critics said Mexico's president was downplaying the coronavirus threat. But he has now shifted his tone.

www.latimes.com

This dude at least backed down, our donkey here is still barking. Obrador (which is surely an idiot regarding this pandemic at least) is the one that looks like a genius in comparison...

Our guy here YESTERDAY was on the streets giving people hugs, and posted on Twitter (which removed his post) recommendations and advice from the guy that sells barbecue on the streets (no, I am not kidding).

So today all Brazilian Mayors sent him a letter asking explicitly, among other things, which are the scientific evidences he is using to base his decisions.

 

[Moxie]

I heard an interesting point made today about the value of massive testing, and the ability to test for the anti-body. A writer was being interviewed in DC...he and his wife believe they got it early on, got sick, got better. But they couldn't get tested, so they're not sure, and are still practicing social distancing, working from home, etc. With the assumption that if you've had it you can't get it again, (and Faucci says he'd bet seriously that will be the case,) this man points out that he and his wife could go back to work, physically, could take meals to elderly neighbors, etc. I hadn't thought of this, but I hope that the medical community and the politicians are aiming hard at that, especially if they want to get a lot of us back to work. Getting a mild form of a disease is the old-fashioned system of innoculation. This is not an argument for the "herd immunity" approach, of course, but people are definitely getting it and recovering from it. If we could test them, and be sure that they are immune, that could start getting us back to work and the economies moving, however slowly. It's something.

 

[Jelenafan]

This dude at least backed down, our donkey here is still barking. Obrador (which is surely an idiot regarding this pandemic at least) is the one that looks like a genius in comparison...

Our guy here YESTERDAY was on the streets giving people hugs, and posted on Twitter (which removed his post) recommendations and advice from the guy that sells barbecue on the streets (no, I am not kidding).

So today all Brazilian Mayors sent him a letter asking explicitly, among other things, which are the scientific evidences he is using to base his decisions.

You win. Congrats (?) yours is the bigger buffoon.

 

[mrzz]

You win. Congrats (?) yours is the bigger buffoon.

I am kind of embarrassed that I got in this "competitive" mode, and I am truly sorry for that. But, aaarrrrgghhhh, it is maddening to follow what is going on here.

 

[Murat Baslamisli]

I wonder if someone can find out if he HAD the corona virus , walked it off and now is fine and immune to it. I mean , I had a miserable January , always sick and coughing up a lung...and in December I shook a million hands as it is my busy season for the shop.
I am aware no health care facility would even bother to look at this as they have their hands full but I am just very curious about this.

 

[Moxie]

I am kind of embarrassed that I got in this "competitive" mode, and I am truly sorry for that. But, aaarrrrgghhhh, it is maddening to follow what is going on here.

There are plenty of buffoons to go around ATM, each in his own way rich in incompetence and tomfoolery.

 

[Moxie]

I wonder if someone can find out if he HAD the corona virus , walked it off and now is fine and immune to it. I mean , I had a miserable January , always sick and coughing up a lung...and in December I shook a million hands as it is my busy season for the shop.
I am aware no health care facility would even bother to look at this as they have their hands full but I am just very curious about this.

That was what I was saying above. I heard a few days back that, so far, there is no test for those who have had it and are now past it, but carry the antibody and immunity. I hope that they are working on that in parallel to the other, more immediate needs, for the reasons stated above. If you had it, a) you could alert your client circle and b) you could go back to work.

 

[mrzz]

There are plenty of buffoons to go around ATM, each in his own way rich in incompetence and tomfoolery.

Don't get me started again.

 

[britbox]

That was what I was saying above. I heard a few days back that, so far, there is no test for those who have had it and are now past it, but carry the antibody and immunity. I hope that they are working on that in parallel to the other, more immediate needs, for the reasons stated above. If you had it, a) you could alert your client circle and b) you could go back to work.

That would make a lot of sense. You'd hope (and expect) them to be working on this in the background.

 

[mrzz]

That was what I was saying above. I heard a few days back that, so far, there is no test for those who have had it and are now past it, but carry the antibody and immunity. I hope that they are working on that in parallel to the other, more immediate needs, for the reasons stated above. If you had it, a) you could alert your client circle and b) you could go back to work.

There are tests for that, to see if you are "reagent". They have it in smaller quantities, I guess, but they surely exist, as they are being used (in a very small scale) here.