What on Earth is going on in the world today? It's gone mad

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A chilling reminder how bad this was:



One point from the video was how the 20-40 demographic was the most affected, largely because of the reaction from their immune system in tackling the virus. I presume their immune systems were stronger and "over-attacked" the virus. The more I read and learn about this stuff, the more fascinating it gets.
 
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One point from the video was how the 20-40 demographic was the most affected, largely because of the reaction from their immune system in tackling the virus. I presume their immune systems were stronger and "over-attacked" the virus. The more I read and learn about this stuff, the more fascinating it gets.
yes me too. I was listening to a podcast involving an infectious diseases specialist and he was saying that part of the reason why men are apparently more vulnerable to corona virus is that their immune system is more aggressive than women's, so their overall immunity is more likely to become over stressed. Almost counter intuitive!
 
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This is quite a fascinating read on an interpretation of how the UK Government is dealing with COVAD-19.

It makes a lot of sense it many respects, especially considering the Spanish Flu Pandemic was based on 3+ waves of infection.

Risky though and Very Politically Risky.

 

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Yeah, I've read quite a few articles against the plan. The ones I've read that are more positive acknowledge it's a huge fricken risk.

I'm not even sure what they are really trying to do here in Oz, but it seems slightly more along the British lines...but then there are lots of people calling for a full lockdown. I'm clueless about this stuff, so all you can do is just hope these experts are rolling the right dice.
 

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How times change. During SARS, Toronto held one of the biggest concerts ever held for thousands of people with bands like Rush, Ac/DC, Rolling Stones playing...For this one, no gatherings of people more than 250 .
According to the internet, that concert was a benefit for Toronto, on July 30, 2003, after Toronto was taken off the list of infected areas in June 2003. And there was some kind of quarantine, I'm sure, because I was working in Vancouver when it hit Canada, and we were worried we might not get back into the US before our project was finished.
 

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According to the internet, that concert was a benefit for Toronto, on July 30, 2003, after Toronto was taken off the list of infected areas in June 2003. And there was some kind of quarantine, I'm sure, because I was working in Vancouver when it hit Canada, and we were worried we might not get back into the US before our project was finished.
It was like a show of solidarity, a great event. Probably the quarantine was off by then. What were you working on in Vancouver ?
 

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Federal Reserve cuts to zero. I honestly don't know what the benefit is. It ain't going to slow the spread of the virus. They'll need the ammunition later. Feels like they're a little bit early with this.

It's going to be interesting to see how the markets react to this.
 

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I think Pence is actually doing a decent job right now. Trump should just go and play golf and be silent quite frankly. Let Pence keep showing some competency
 

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It was like a show of solidarity, a great event. Probably the quarantine was off by then. What were you working on in Vancouver ?
So it's not like times have changed, then, right? Are you still of the opinion that this one is being overblown? I was shooting a TV commercial in Vancouver, btw.
 

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So it's not like times have changed, then, right? Are you still of the opinion that this one is being overblown? I was shooting a TV commercial in Vancouver, btw.
Times have changed somewhat in that regard in a positive way I think. Canada learned a lot of valuable lessons from SARS. As far as this whole thing being overblown, if you look at what this virus has done, compare it to the other outbreaks in the past and what they have done, and the reactions, it does seem like stopping the whole world economy is a bit of an overreaction. OR , and this is a serious point, there is something about this virus that we are not being told.
 

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Times have changed somewhat in that regard in a positive way I think. Canada learned a lot of valuable lessons from SARS. As far as this whole thing being overblown, if you look at what this virus has done, compare it to the other outbreaks in the past and what they have done, and the reactions, it does seem like stopping the whole world economy is a bit of an overreaction. OR , and this is a serious point, there is something about this virus that we are not being told.
This is just bizarre. You keep saying this and I honestly don’t know if this is a joke. Look at the video I posted early last week, compare what this virus has done in the limited time it’s been around and compare what any of those previous outbreaks had been able to do in as much time. Is this some sort of temporal dyslexia I’ve never heard of before?.? Seriously!
 

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The situation is serious but the reaction is not proportional. Just calculate the ratio of people quarantined by number of infections -- or the number of events shut down, or whatever measure you want to use. Point is that, given that there are still unknowns, maybe this disproportional (in relation to past events) reaction was in fact needed to halt the spread. Was it efficient? Hard to say exactly, probably better flow of information from the start would have greatly helped. We would only know after the dust have settled.

There is also zero doubt that people/governments/organizations left and right are weaponizing the pandemic. Virtually everyone is criticizing what others are doing just for the sake of criticizing. I don't buy the narrative that this was all to take them down Trump, but I do believe in the far more credible version that mostly all opposition forces in all countries simultaneously found a weapon to attack their governments -- hence the apparent coordination of it all.

So we have both things at the same time: a serious situation and hysteria. I do not think is so hard to acknowledge that.

Nowadays, we have the combination of instantaneous flow of information, extremely fast flow of people and goods -- nice combination to spread both a pandemic and hysteria -- and, on top of that (this is the most important part): extremely incompetent people in charge in a lot of places. Given that everything is politicized, most decisions are took by people who are "politicians" (even if not elected ones) instead of technicians/experts. It is quite similar to what was shown in the "Chernobyl" TV series, when a high ranking officer of the CP took all the early decisions based on political arguments (even if the political structure is completely different). Given that, we are basically flying blind, with all people in charge taking decisions based on how they guess those will be perceived in six months time.

Just to illustrate, I'll quickly describe what happened here in Brazil: We have maybe the worst government of all times (in a global scale), in terms of technical expertise and plain cognitive capacity. Up until one month ago the sitting president was saying that all this basically did not exist. He was trapped to that position since exactly his base voters and followers were the one saying that this was all a conspiracy . Hence there was no coordinated action from the government, almost no action at all, and most regional governments were also just watching.

But society and chaos found a way to run around an inept government: in the very hospital my wife works (largest in Latin America), a couple of weeks ago there was a meeting to discuss possible measures. After that meeting, an whatsapp audio message "leaked", basically saying that:

1) We must act to slow the infection rate given the number of hospital beds;
2) Reinforced what is now public knowledge regarding hygiene and "social distancing"

Real names were cited on the audio -- all of whom confirmed the message later. That audio heavily circulated on whatsapp, and because the name of the hospital and some institutes within the hopistal were cited (those names are synonims to quality health care here) -- that alone was FAR more effective than anything the government has done -- with relatively little panic going on. Football matches are taking place (with no public, just TV transmission, large gatherings such as masses suspended and classes partially suspended). So, some effect on everyday life, but it still goes on. To stress it again, all those actions happened around a week after that audio circulated -- and it was often cited.

That was by far the most "pedagogical" audio leak of all times. Those guys were brilliant. This is what the world has come down to: we depend on the brilliance of strangers.
 
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Federal Reserve cuts to zero. I honestly don't know what the benefit is. It ain't going to slow the spread of the virus. They'll need the ammunition later. Feels like they're a little bit early with this.

It's going to be interesting to see how the markets react to this.

Five minutes into trading, and the Dow is down 2,250.

EDIT: Fifteen minutes, and down 2,722. They’re going to put on the brakes, I’m guessing.
 
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This is just bizarre. You keep saying this and I honestly don’t know if this is a joke. Look at the video I posted early last week, compare what this virus has done in the limited time it’s been around and compare what any of those previous outbreaks had been able to do in as much time. Is this some sort of temporal dyslexia I’ve never heard of before?.? Seriously!
Please read the third paragraph of @mrzz ' s last post.
 

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Specialists here are suggesting to avoid this medication in case of Coronavirus. It is on the news already and it seems there is at least one scientific paper supporting it (from a magazine called "The Lancet"), don't know it, did not check it either yet.