What on Earth is going on in the world today? It's gone mad

[Federberg]

It depends what you call history. The Chinese had a great civilization before the British East India Company flooded the place with Opium... and the Russians wiped the history of Grand Tartary, but if you're talking history in the context of Premier League (recent history, forget the rest). i.e. The bloodthirsty Bolshevik Revolution and Mao's rampage... then I'd agree

However, if you think the West don't bump people off then that's pretty naïve. You just won't hear much about it. Politicians are more fair game, but industry isn't.

If you didn't notice, truckers in Canada all had the bank accounts frozen for protesting. Countless medical professionals lost their jobs for not going along with the narrative... or as former NZ Premier Jacinda Arden said "We are your single source of truth". A little Orwellian don't you think? Maybe the 15 minute cities and carbon credits might cheer you up. All based on the Chinese social credit system. Not just based on your actions and thoughts... but those who you associate with. I'll get my coat!

I'm 100% behind you when you criticise countries like Canada. But please have the same energy for China in particular. They are currently prosecuting a genocide. The way you're going on one would think there's something comparable going on in the West at an organised level

 

[britbox]

don't know what that means...


perhaps you were the one who was duped. If you're referring to the Mueller Report, Trump was not exonerated. It seems to me you've allowed yourself to be duped by Trump and Barr's own interpretation of it.


straight down the rabbit hole here. Sorry mate. Hey you're entitled to your view. Get back to me when there's some substance behind it. Actually don't.. we'll probably disagree on what substance means.


that's a straw man mate. It's interesting to me that while we - who don't agree with you - try to meet your questions with straight forward responses, you keep. ducking and diving. You criticise Germany for recognising that in the face of a nearby country with the penchant for invading neighbours they are reviewing their military posture. But when asked what alternative they have, you don't provide a good faith response. You seem to imply that the West is prosecuting an act of aggression against Russia, but seem to ignore the fact that Russia is the one that's invaded a neighbour. Not just one neighbour by the way. I'm happy to have this debate, but it requires you to provide clear answers as well. I'm truly baffled by this new tendency. I'm not even trying to make this a light versus dark issue. I've already acknowledged and agreed with you that neocon shite from the West is not where we want to go. But if an alien from Mars reads what you're writing what they'll get out of it, is that you believe Putin and Xi are innocents or are on the side of the light? That's where you totally lose me

You're sharing videos now about things I was talking to you about 2 or 3 years ago mate. Go back and read your PMs.

What clarity do you need and on what? In the past, you wouldn't even look at Government documents I tried to share with you, because you were too "tired" or interested in making money. Only trying to help squire, but the old parables about trying to sow seeds on fallow ground hold true.

 

[Federberg]

I'm 100% behind you when you criticise countries like Canada. But please have the same energy for China in particular. They are currently prosecuting a genocide. The way you're going on one would think there's something comparable going on in the West at an organised level

oh and by the way, pay as much attention to the huge numbers of Russians fleeing their own country. I rather suspect that's a more credible representation of what a lot of people think about what's going on in that country

 

[Kieran]

There is no "right answer" because effectively you are delegating somebody else to think for you. I don't care much for either is my reply.

NZ has only got a cookie cutter replacement for Saint Jacinda.

Now, you say Trudeau is a danger to the "West". If we go by your methodology of "follow the leader" then Trudeau IS "The West", likewise Leo IS "The West", Ursula IS "The West", Jacinda IS "The West", Biden IS "The West", Rishi IS "The West", Albanese IS "The West" Mark Rutte IS "The West", Macron IS "The West"...

Is there anything you find particularly attractive about the policies of any of these characters? or more to the point, what do they all have in common, and where are they taking you?

I don't hate any of them by the way - they are performing a role, that is all. A catalyst for change that most people won't understand or like.

Your evasion of the question is actually your answer, because you still complain about the west, but you know you couldn’t do that in the east.

You prefer to live in the west where you can complain, than live in the east under brutal tyrants who’ll have you disappeared without a single qualm, and your appeals or complaints about that will never be heard…

 

[britbox]

I'm 100% behind you when you criticise countries like Canada. But please have the same energy for China in particular. They are currently prosecuting a genocide. The way you're going on one would think there's something comparable going on in the West at an organised level

You're missing the point. It's the hypocrisy I'm pointing out, not a good v bad paradigm. Global Oligarchs look beyond national borders - in fact they despise them.

 

[Kieran]

You're missing the point. It's the hypocrisy I'm pointing out, not a good v bad paradigm. Global Oligarchs look beyond national borders - in fact they despise them.

So do Russian tyrants…

 

[Federberg]

You're sharing videos now about things I was talking to you about 2 or 3 years ago mate. Go back and read your PMs.

What clarity do you need and on what? In the past, you wouldn't even look at Government documents I tried to share with you, because you were too "tired" or interested in making money. Only trying to help squire, but the old parables about trying to sow seeds on fallow ground hold true.

I'm not clear exactly what you're talking about here mate. I'm happy for you to be specific even if we were PM'ing. My views concerning covid and the pandemic have certainly evolved. As they should! I definitely believed that lockdowns were justified at the start. But please don't misrepresent my stance as being a 'lockdown' forever person. I was always a supporter of it specifically until the virology was better understood and hospitals were better able to cope.

 

[britbox]

Your evasion of the question is actually your answer, because you still complain about the west, but you know you couldn’t do that in the east.

You prefer to live in the west where you can complain, than live in the east under brutal tyrants who’ll have you disappeared without a single qualm, and your appeals or complaints about that will never be heard…

It depends what you're talking about.

Sure you can criticise Government officials in the west to an extent. Try bringing a free energy device to market... and you'll be in a coffin quicker than you can shake a stick... or whistle blow on things that matter. Or maybe you think all the cameras failed, the guards all fell asleep and old Jeff Epstein hung himself is a true story. Each to their own!

 

[Federberg]

You're missing the point. It's the hypocrisy I'm pointing out, not a good v bad paradigm. Global Oligarchs look beyond national borders - in fact they despise them.

who gives a shit about the hypocrisy. Has anyone debating these issues with you represented the West as having clean hands? I don't believe so. Have the same energy for China and Russia. Be fair, otherwise your arguments will lack credibility

 

[britbox]

So do Russian tyrants…

Russian Tyrants would be a subset of Global Oligarchs.

 

[Kieran]

Russian Tyrants would be a subset of Global Oligarchs.

You know, it’s interesting that you’re arguing with me and Federberg who have been probably the most consistent attackers of increasingly illiberal and tyrannical politics in the west - but you never attack actual tyrants of the east who will be the beneficiaries of the west’s decline.

Do you not see that it’s important we tell people where we’re heading - which is into a dark age unlike any other, ruled by people like Xi and Putin - and that it’s worth criticising that destination while we still can? Because Putin is no hero, and nor is the genocidal Xi…

 

[britbox]

who gives a shit about the hypocrisy. Has anyone debating these issues with you represented the West as having clean hands? I don't believe so. Have the same energy for China and Russia. Be fair, otherwise your arguments will lack credibility

You get the same energy shoved down your throat by the mainstream 24/7.

 

[Federberg]

You get the same energy shoved down your throat by the mainstream 24/7.

lol! Are you trying to represent yourself as an alternative for MSM??

 

[britbox]

You know, it’s interesting that you’re arguing with me and Federberg who have been probably the most consistent attackers of increasingly illiberal and tyrannical politics in the west - but you never attack actual tyrants of the east who will be the beneficiaries of the west’s decline.

Do you not see that it’s important we tell people where we’re heading - which is into a dark age unlike any other, ruled by people like Xi and Putin - and that it’s worth criticising that destination while we still can? Because Putin is no hero, and nor is the genocidal Xi…

We agree - I don't propose they are. However, you're looking in the wrong place. In fact, I think you and Federberg are missing the point entirely. It's not Xi and Putin who are bringing down the West. It's the people in power within the West. How could I be against the West when it's my own people? Empires rot from within.

 

[britbox]

lol! Are you trying to represent yourself as an alternative for MSM??

Of course not, but if you have an opinion why voice it when it goes with the accepted flow. Do you want me to announce water is wet?

 

[Federberg]

We agree - I don't propose they are. However, you're looking in the wrong place. In fact, I think you and Federberg are missing the point entirely. It's not Xi and Putin who are bringing down the West. It's the people in power within the West. How could I be against the West when it's my own people? Empires rot from within.

and we would agree with you mate. But not because of Russia invading Ukraine! Jeepers!

I get the sense, that someone could make a post about the sky being blue right now, and you'll hit back with something about the tyrannical West

 

[Federberg]

Of course not, but if you have an opinion why voice it when it goes with the accepted flow. Do you want me to announce water is wet?

it might not be your intent mate, but that's effectively what you seem to be trying to do

 

[britbox]

it might not be your intent mate, but that's effectively what you seem to be trying to do

Devil's advocate always has a place in the order of things.

 

[britbox]

You know, it’s interesting that you’re arguing with me and Federberg who have been probably the most consistent attackers of increasingly illiberal and tyrannical politics in the west - but you never attack actual tyrants of the east who will be the beneficiaries of the west’s decline.

Do you not see that it’s important we tell people where we’re heading - which is into a dark age unlike any other, ruled by people like Xi and Putin - and that it’s worth criticising that destination while we still can? Because Putin is no hero, and nor is the genocidal Xi…

Just to round off with this post before I hit the sack...

"Do you not see that it’s important we tell people where we’re heading - which is into a dark age unlike any other"

This struck me mate, because it's exactly what I've been trying to do with you guys for the last 2 or 3 years, and all I get is gibberish about "conspiracy theories" which basically means "I can't be arsed to look into it, let alone do some cognitive pattern recognition"

All the Western leaders I mentioned in the previous post have ONE agenda. All you have to do is look at the legislation being passed in EVERY Western country. I can only sign post it for you. They are adopting a form of the Chinese Social Credit System whether you like it or not. It's equally frustrating because I regard you both as relatively smart guys.

El Dude and Front get it because they don't place parameters on what's possible. Laws of Nature... a fish only grows to the size of it's container. Increase the container and it grows a lot more. Sounds crazy? Lose the parameters of dogma and see what happens.

 

[Federberg]

Just to round off with this post before I hit the sack...

"Do you not see that it’s important we tell people where we’re heading - which is into a dark age unlike any other"

This struck me mate, because it's exactly what I've been trying to do with you guys for the last 2 or 3 years, and all I get is gibberish about "conspiracy theories" which basically means "I can't be arsed to look into it, let alone do some cognitive pattern recognition"

All the Western leaders I mentioned in the previous post have ONE agenda. All you have to do is look at the legislation being passed in EVERY Western country. I can only sign post it for you. They are adopting a form of the Chinese Social Credit System whether you like it or not. It's equally frustrating because I regard you both as relatively smart guys.

El Dude and Front get it because they don't place parameters on what's possible. Laws of Nature... a fish only grows to the size of it's container. Increase the container and it grows a lot more. Sounds crazy? Lose the parameters of dogma and see what happens.

I don't know why you think we're not concerned about this. I've spoken to you about my concerns about digital currencies. I've also spoken up about this feminised culture we have in the West, with this new push for equity rather than equality of opportunity. I'm concerned! I most definitely agree that there's something deeper here, and the trans issue is a part of it. We are seeing the results, broken families, the destruction of our institutions of higher learning. We're in agreement. You say that you don't talk about what's happening in more despotic regimes because the mainstream media has it covered. Do they? I don't think they do.