What on Earth is going on in the world today? It's gone mad

[britbox]

Britbox there is one key piece to the narrative that you are missing, which is the origin of "Covid" itself. Most of the U.S. media and of course the international media that slavishly follow the lead of the New York Times and Washington Post have covered this up, but about a month ago Tucker Carlson had a Chinese virologist whistleblower named Dr. Li-Meng Yan on his show. She said in the interview that the Chinese military designed the virus in the Wuhan lab and intentionally released it to the world. Given the way that virus targets financially costly and inconvenient populations (i.e. the elderly and immunocompromised), this seems entirely plausible.

This video was originally censored by Big Tech but now it can be viewed:

Coronavirus whistleblower speaks out about possible COVID origin on 'Tucker'​

Cali, Watch the Plandemic Indoctornation Video I posted. It's implied and astonishing. I'd suggest moving away from the divide and conquer political dimension about right v left (otherwise, you are also being a dupe). It's about right v wrong. The supposed "right wing parties" are equally culpable.

 

[britbox]

Cheers brother!

Now, we both agree the virus is real and contagious, and I have little difficulty with anyone who looks at the response to it and says "the statistics have been twisted to fit the narrative." I agree. I see it in Ireland and other places, where people who died with Covid are classified as having died of Covid, and so on, and we see in Ireland a science driven response to the virus which is often contradictory and not seeming to be very scientific. Example, two weeks ago they placed us on Level 3, but now they say Level 3 hasn't worked so we should go to Level 5. This seems to me like Level 3 hasn't been tried long enough for up-to-date information on what happened during the two weeks to be collected, but since the scientists have been pushing for Level 5 for a while, it doesn't surprise me.

But the point here is, that this is scientists working with their data and formulating a response, based on that data. The other factors - mental health issues, a crashing economy, domestic abuse cases rising during lockdowns - aren't within their brief. They give the government the facts, and the government decides.

So far, so obvious. I agree tie reaction will be worse than the pandemic (if that's something you would say), but none of this fits a conspiracy narrative for me. For that to happen, we would need to be able to point to where the Irish government know they're acting dishonestly but continue to do so in order to please the conspirators. You know what I mean> They have to be in on it some way, either unwittingly, or explicitly.

Which brings me back to Boris: what's in it for him? I just don't see him signing up for a global conspiracy that derails his momentum. This isn't his kind of crisis. His crisis was the crisis of democracy and sovereignty relating to Brexit, which gave him an historic upward trajectory at the last election. I just don't see such a level of conspiracy being agreed upon by him - and everybody else in all the western democracies - and yet nobody gets wind of it except conspiracy theorists? You know what I mean? All the leadership in the EU, including countries like Poland, Lithuania which are barely growing their economies, the Spanish, Italians, Greeks, all of them keep schtum about this? I just can't fathom it.

I think the response to the virus is inadequate and dangerous, I agree with people who say there are too many experts being silenced, and I agree that Sweden seem to have taken a more mature approach - albeit still with restrictions - but I'm not quite clear that there's something global being planned, and especially not involving such an inept and useless crew as the UN...

Mate, this isn't reactionary, it's been planned. Seriously watch, those videos. If anyone disagrees with a word in them, then instead of just yelling "conspiracy theory", how about we all come together to research and discuss the points of contention? All dissenting views welcomed with one proviso - keeping it civil.

 

[Kieran]

Mate, this isn't reactionary, it's been planned. Seriously watch, those videos. If anyone disagrees with a word in them, then instead of just yelling "conspiracy theory", how about we all come together to research and discuss the points of contention? All dissenting views welcomed with one proviso - keeping it civil.

I watched the short video about pandemic planning by the WEF, but the longer one, I'll need to clear my desk a little. I'll get to it but I'm under a lot of time pressure to get few things done lately, so I can't say when. But thanks for giving me the background to your views on this...

 

[britbox]

I watched the short video about pandemic planning by the WEF, but the longer one, I'll need to clear my desk a little. I'll get to it but I'm under a lot of time pressure to get few things done lately, so I can't say when. But thanks for giving me the background to your views on this...

The second one will blow your mind. Perfectly happy to explore any of it with regards to validity. Dissenters welcome. We should work together not against each other. I haven't validated all of it, just parts that stood out and I cross-referenced.

 

[britbox]

Cheers brother!

Now, we both agree the virus is real and contagious, and I have little difficulty with anyone who looks at the response to it and says "the statistics have been twisted to fit the narrative." I agree. I see it in Ireland and other places, where people who died with Covid are classified as having died of Covid, and so on, and we see in Ireland a science driven response to the virus which is often contradictory and not seeming to be very scientific. Example, two weeks ago they placed us on Level 3, but now they say Level 3 hasn't worked so we should go to Level 5. This seems to me like Level 3 hasn't been tried long enough for up-to-date information on what happened during the two weeks to be collected, but since the scientists have been pushing for Level 5 for a while, it doesn't surprise me.

But the point here is, that this is scientists working with their data and formulating a response, based on that data. The other factors - mental health issues, a crashing economy, domestic abuse cases rising during lockdowns - aren't within their brief. They give the government the facts, and the government decides.

So far, so obvious. I agree tie reaction will be worse than the pandemic (if that's something you would say), but none of this fits a conspiracy narrative for me. For that to happen, we would need to be able to point to where the Irish government know they're acting dishonestly but continue to do so in order to please the conspirators. You know what I mean> They have to be in on it some way, either unwittingly, or explicitly.

Which brings me back to Boris: what's in it for him? I just don't see him signing up for a global conspiracy that derails his momentum. This isn't his kind of crisis. His crisis was the crisis of democracy and sovereignty relating to Brexit, which gave him an historic upward trajectory at the last election. I just don't see such a level of conspiracy being agreed upon by him - and everybody else in all the western democracies - and yet nobody gets wind of it except conspiracy theorists? You know what I mean? All the leadership in the EU, including countries like Poland, Lithuania which are barely growing their economies, the Spanish, Italians, Greeks, all of them keep schtum about this? I just can't fathom it.

I think the response to the virus is inadequate and dangerous, I agree with people who say there are too many experts being silenced, and I agree that Sweden seem to have taken a more mature approach - albeit still with restrictions - but I'm not quite clear that there's something global being planned, and especially not involving such an inept and useless crew as the UN...

I'm glad your suspicious. They should use this COVID scenario as the new IQ test. It's a pity they don't focus on critical thinking in schools, otherwise people might be questioning moves that are completely ridiculous.

I agree, The UN don't run the world mate - It's a completely corrupted stooge organization being used as a vehicle of legitimacy.

 

[Kieran]

I'm glad your suspicious. They should use this COVID scenario as the new IQ test. It's a pity they don't focus on critical thinking in schools, otherwise people might be questioning moves that are completely ridiculous.

I agree, The UN don't run the world mate - It's a completely corrupted stooge organization being used as a vehicle of legitimacy.

I'm not so much "suspicious" as I'm trying to analyse different responses to the virus. As I say, it exists, it's contagious, it's dangerous. But, we have to live with it. We can't hide from it, people still need to work, meet and live, but we have to be aware of the risks. The problem being that the science is still trying to fully understand it, so we get so many contradictory messages and responses to it. I believe the reaction has been inadequate, and too little has been mentioned of building our immunity, etc. The reaction immediately herded off in one direction, with obviously a vaccine being the Grand Slam trophy of reactions.

Now we hear rumours that mask wearing is ineffective. We also know that it's difficult to catch Covid outdoors - so proven is this that in Spain, you must wear a mask outdoors, which would have a negative effect on your immune system. The science isn't settled, but it's driving the policy, which is a problem, but it's a problem of weak leadership, which is also why I admire the integrity of the Swedish approach because they listened to experts but also trusted their populace, and they understand better than others that we need to find ways of living with Covid, which isn't yet ready to go away....

 

[britbox]

I'm not so much "suspicious" as I'm trying to analyse different responses to the virus. As I say, it exists, it's contagious, it's dangerous. But, we have to live with it. We can't hide from it, people still need to work, meet and live, but we have to be aware of the risks. The problem being that the science is still trying to fully understand it, so we get so many contradictory messages and responses to it. I believe the reaction has been inadequate, and too little has been mentioned of building our immunity, etc. The reaction immediately herded off in one direction, with obviously a vaccine being the Grand Slam trophy of reactions.

Now we hear rumours that mask wearing is ineffective. We also know that it's difficult to catch Covid outdoors - so proven is this that in Spain, you must wear a mask outdoors, which would have a negative effect on your immune system. The science isn't settled, but it's driving the policy, which is a problem, but which is also why I admire the integrity of the Swedish approach because they listened to experts but also trusted their populace, and they understand better than others that we need to find ways of living with Covid, which isn't yet ready to go away....

Mate, I think you need to move one plane above the response to the virus and focus on the overall "implied" outcomes. The virus is a vehicle to bring in change. We can debate in the weeds about medical responses all day... but a restructuring of the global economy is the likely outcome... and was pre-ordained.

 

[Kieran]

Mate, I think you need to move one plane above the response to the virus and focus on the overall "implied" outcomes. The virus is a vehicle to bring in change. We can debate in the weeds about medical responses all day... but a restructuring of the global economy is the likely outcome... and was pre-ordained.

Well, this is a prophecy that maybe self-fulfilling, without needing your conspiracy. We'll see what the outcomes are when it's done. I have to go face having my coffee and scone outdoors on Wednesday, in my favourite caff, in the possible rain. I've been tipping big there lately, I'm a welcome face. They talk to me again...

 

[britbox]

Well, this is a prophecy that maybe self-fulfilling, without needing your conspiracy. We'll see what the outcomes are when it's done. I have to go face having my coffee and scone outdoors on Wednesday, in my favourite caff, in the possible rain. I've been tipping big there lately, I'm a welcome face. They talk to me again...

Enjoy your coffee. While drinking it, visit the WEF website, read the articles I posted from the UK Government website and the United Nations and figure out a way of explaining it's "my conspiracy". I don't work for any of them. It's in plain sight and in publication. Ignore it all at your leisure!

 

[Kieran]

Enjoy your coffee. While drinking it, visit the WEF website, read the articles I posted from the UK Government website and the United Nations and figure out a way of explaining it's "my conspiracy". I don't work for any of them. It's in plain sight and in publication. Ignore it all at your leisure!

Oh, I don’t mean it’s “your” conspiracy, as in, you thought this up, I mean it as in, you presented it. You’re always a good faith player so I wouldn’t be dismissive.

But come on, sitting outside in the rain with a soggy scone and a cold coffee, it’s hardly the time, brother, it’s hardly the time!

 

[calitennis127]

Cali, Watch the Plandemic Indoctornation Video I posted. It's implied and astonishing. I'd suggest moving away from the divide and conquer political dimension about right v left (otherwise, you are also being a dupe). It's about right v wrong. The supposed "right wing parties" are equally culpable.

I would be the first to tell you that the Republican Party in the United States has been far too compliant and docile in going along with the bogus Covid narrative, especially in not challenging the Democrat-infested CDC and the fraudulent national death total coming out of it.

 

[britbox]

I would be the first to tell you that the Republican Party in the United States has been far too compliant and docile in going along with the bogus Covid narrative, especially in not challenging the Democrat-infested CDC and the fraudulent national death total coming out of it.

The video only shows one angle to the narrative, so I'm not assuming it's all true, but it's a welcome counter to the mainstream view. Also, when there is a mainstream pile-on to discredit the author, rather than dissecting the facts presented, then that in itself should raise a red flag. The part about controlling the narrative and the Event 201 correlation is plain to see.

 

[calitennis127]

Dr. Scott Atlas has been a terrific addition to the coronavirus task force. He was added far too late, but never late than never. He is absolutely right here about the silliness over “testing” and “cases.” It has nothing to do with preventing disease but rather it’s about finding numbers to use against Trump. Nothing other than that:

 

[calitennis127]

And yet another Middle Eastern peace deal that the Trump administration has helped forge. First the UAE, then Bahrain, and now Sudan. Keep it rolling.

The Democrats are clearly envious that their precious Obama administration could not pull this off. Trump has been the most noninterventionist, Middle East-friendly president in the last 30 years at least:

Trump announces peace deal between Sudan and Israel, says more nations will normalize relations​

Sudan is the third Arab state to do so as part of U.S.-brokered deals in the run-up to Election Day​

Trump announces peace deal between Sudan and Israel, says more nations will normalize relations

President Donald Trump announced Friday that Sudan will start to normalize ties with Israel, making it the third Arab state to do so as part of U.S.-brokered deals in the run-up to Election Day.

www.foxnews.com

 

[calitennis127]

Yup, Sweden had it right. They are doing better than the countries whose idiotic leaders locked down in a fit of madness:

 

[britbox]

^ It doesn't really matter. It's all a distraction to forward the Great Reset anyway. Wake up.



If people still think this is a conspiracy theory, then they must be off their box.

 

[Horsa]

If people still think this is a conspiracy theory, then they must be off their box.

I agree. All those businesses shut down for so long. A lot of businesses struggling when things were opened up again. Some businesses went down. All that wouldn't have been done for nothing.

While I didn't like my freedom taken from me I realise that something had to be done. What was done was the only thing that could have been done under the circumstances. There are things that I think should have been done sooner & other things I don't think should have been done as quickly as they were. Wearing a face-mask/face-shield can be a pain but it's a small price to pay for freedom & I think that everyone who isn't wearing them who should be wearing them should think about their freedom & that of others even if they don't care about people's health or think this situation is as serious as it's supposed to be. Instead, we get people not wearing facial coverings invading other people's space & complaining about their freedom not even thinking that if people do what they should the rates will go down & we'll get our freedom back sooner whereas if they continue to act like normal things will either stay the same or more of our freedom will be taken off us & we'll have to have a good reason to be out again.

 

[Moxie]

Op-Ed: The Sweden Myth

How did the country outperform everybody on COVID-19? That's easy -- it didn't

www.medpagetoday.com

 

[Kieran]

Op-Ed: The Sweden Myth

How did the country outperform everybody on COVID-19? That's easy -- it didn't

www.medpagetoday.com

I think with Sweden, a large part of their economy is export based, so that would naturally suffer, regardless of whether or not they did as most other countries did. I'm open to correction on this, but I've read it from a few sources.

Sweden's goal from the beginning - rightly or wrongly - was to play the long game on Covid, based upon their experts views on the behaviour of viruses. They felt the virus has to run through the population but they could slow its spread through certain measures. They're not the same measures as everyone else (who also largely agree the virus is not going away so we best live with it), but if we see that their death rates now are going in the opposite direction to everyone else, it's probably insufficient of the bloke who wrote the article to write the final paragraph as he did, without adding another option, which is that maybe they're getting it right, after all?

We should always read "so far" in articles critiquing the virus response, because Covid is a long game, but also, we should learn about a regions population density, the proportion of its population which are in the Covid crosshairs, before we decide who did badly, who did better. Britain apparently has 20 times the number of people in the Covid peril zone than Ireland has, so obviously its death rate might reflect this. It's more densely populated, by many times. New Zealand gets a lot of kudos for how they handle it, but I think this is nonsense. They have a land mass almost 4 times the size of Ireland, with about 2/3 or 3/4 of the population of my beautiful green isle. There are also factors regarding how we measure Covid deaths. There are a lot of ways in which data can be viewed.

I'm not saying Sweden is right in this regard, but I think it's far too early for anyone to say. They haven't chosen this route willy-nilly, and as we still see experts flummoxed by the virus, they have a right to choose their own experts over other countries.

 

[Kieran]

^ It doesn't really matter. It's all a distraction to forward the Great Reset anyway. Wake up.



If people still think this is a conspiracy theory, then they must be off their box.

If this is the future, it's depressing...