What on Earth is going on in the world today? It's gone mad

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I'm glad B.S. is O.K. though sorry he lost his home. I meant to say something earlier but was sick of all the abusive language of a certain person. I've been very quiet for weeks because I was sick of seeing slanging matches where he got nasty & abusive for no apparent reason.
 
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Moxie, I know you were rooting very hard against Sweden, but the results are in and they were very successful. Sorry to have to break it to you:






Not that there is any "win" scenario in dealing with this virus, it looks at this stage, that the Swedish approach might end up being considered the best of all. Still, this has a long way to play out.

My state in Australia (Queensland) has single-digit cases and no community transmission for a month. Once the internal borders to other states are opened, I'm convinced COVID will return. Once Australia's international borders are opened, COVID will come and return throughout Australia in bigger numbers.

Locking down like the state of Victoria has done, to such a draconian level, is only delaying the inevitable and causing immeasurable damage in the meantime.
 

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The S&P 500 made a new all time high into the close last night. Worth noting that the Nasdaq was well above it's record high some time ago. It's noteworthy, the fast rebound from bear market territory ever for the US markets I think. But these indexes are so dislocated from the real economy now I'm not sure what it means anymore. Truly amazing times...
 

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The S&P 500 made a new all time high into the close last night. Worth noting that the Nasdaq was well above it's record high some time ago. It's noteworthy, the fast rebound from bear market territory ever for the US markets I think. But these indexes are so dislocated from the real economy now I'm not sure what it means anymore. Truly amazing times...

None of that makes much sense. I know we spar about interference in elections, and I'm a believer that elections are probably at greater risk from corporate interference than governmental... but do you think there are potentially some big players swinging to boost the perceived value of the economy to help Trump? and potentially others wanting to short it to do the opposite?
 

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None of that makes much sense. I know we spar about interference in elections, and I'm a believer that elections are probably at greater risk from corporate interference than governmental... but do you think there are potentially some big players swinging to boost the perceived value of the economy to help Trump? and potentially others wanting to short it to do the opposite?
I'm not sure what's unclear about my saying US stock markets are disconnected from the real economy. This is happening because the Fed has pumped vast amounts of liquidity into the market and is now buying all sorts of risky assets that weren't previously considered part of their mandate. There's no conspiracy theory here it's just modern monetary theory MMT at play. This is not a play to help Trump the Fed would have reacted the same way in any Administraton. Let's not go down that tinfoil hat route ;) There is literally no where to go right now, you can't buy fixed income because you get next to zero interest and in some cases you have to pay for the privilege. Stocks are literally the only game in town. If I look historically I would describe the period we're in as most similar to the late 60s. There is a massive and dangerous concentration of value trapped in just a few really large tech stocks. If you take them out of the index things look a bit more rational (just a bit though... it's still batshit crazy to me)
 

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I'm not sure what's unclear about my saying US stock markets are disconnected from the real economy. This is happening because the Fed has pumped vast amounts of liquidity into the market and is now buying all sorts of risky assets that weren't previously considered part of their mandate. There's no conspiracy theory here it's just modern monetary theory MMT at play. This is not a play to help Trump the Fed would have reacted the same way in any Administraton. Let's not go down that tinfoil hat route ;) There is literally no where to go right now, you can't buy fixed income because you get next to zero interest and in some cases you have to pay for the privilege. Stocks are literally the only game in town. If I look historically I would describe the period we're in as most similar to the late 60s. There is a massive and dangerous concentration of value trapped in just a few really large tech stocks. If you take them out of the index things look a bit more rational (just a bit though... it's still batshit crazy to me)
I think you misinterpreted my response to your post. I was agreeing with you that the spike didn't make sense. Not your post.
 
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I mentioned in the US Politics thread, that what people need to be looking at is what is happening with the World Economic Forum:



You'll be hearing the term "The Great Reset" more and more.

This is an interesting commentary:

 

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Britbox.....you should find this interesting. Notice that mrzz has been quiet about this development, despite trying his best to be fashionable in condemning the Brazilian government. No one is talking about Peru, even though they took the opposite approach to Sweden and it isn't working so great for them at the moment, as they are about to have the world's highest COVID-19 deaths per million. Yet there is total silence from the left internationally about this:


The world's toughest lockdown has resulted in the world's highest COVID-19 death toll
Lockdown: a case study of failure.
Aug 18

Once hailed as a COVID-19 “success story,” Peru is now the COVID-19 case study that lockdown advocates no longer want to discuss. Lima is on pace to surpass Belgium (another strict lockdown country) sometime next week as having the world’s highest COVID-19 deaths per million. So why is no one talking about it?


 

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However anyone wants to couch it, or deflect blame, these are the raw numbers, and the US is doing very poorly.

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However anyone wants to couch it, or deflect blame, these are the raw numbers, and the US is doing very poorly.

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Thank you for posting something which reinforced the point I had just made, namely that Peru is doing the worst of everyone in deaths per one million despite employing your Democratic Party-favored lockdown approach. As for the United States, most of the country has done very well in handling it. The only parts that haven't are Democratic-run states, due to the outright stupidity of their governors.

What is also at play is that the Democrats have dishonestly inflated the Covid death totals in the United States, which is a tough line for them to walk because on the one hand they want as many people to be listed as Covid deaths as possible to use it against Trump but on the other hand they don't want to look incompetent compared to red states; that's what accounts for New York's sudden plummeting of numbers. Cuomo and his cronies were clearly embarrassed at how much better Republican-run states were doing in combating the virus.

The 180,000-plus number in the USA is total bogus because non-Covid deaths are being listed as Covid deaths, and many of the Covid deaths that have actually occurred were the result of a) Fauci and the Democrats suppressing hydroxychloroquine and b) low-intelligence Democratic governors sending Covid patients into nursing homes. So if you eliminate Democratic fraud in death reporting and Democratic knavery in suppressing HCQ, the USA response to Covid has been highly effective. Unfortunately, incompetent and intensely partisan Democrats have too much control over significant parts of the country.
 

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Well Britbox, it looks like with the news about Peru and now this statement from a UK government scientist, the "experts" are coming around to my original opinion of the lockdowns in March, which was that only perhaps in the case of some highly populated cities, the lockdown policy was a horrible approach to battling the Wuhan Nursing Home Virus (WNHV, also referred to as "covid").

It's nice to see them catching up, just as everyone on this board had to catch up to my perspective on Djokovic-on-grass back in 2010 or the significance of age v. talent when everyone obsessed over Federer turning 27 as if he was about to go into one of Cuomo's nursing homes because he could no longer physically play tennis.

Everyone can put this story in their pipe and smoke it - especially Moxie, AntiPushyWhush, Teeinted, Bwoken, and Tinfoil Federturd.


UK Government Scientist Admits Lockdown Was a “Monumental Mistake on a Global Scale”

Published 1 day ago on 24 August, 2020

“The cure was worse than the disease.”

A scientific advisor to the UK government says the coronavirus lockdown was a “panic measure” and a “monumental mistake on a global scale.”

Infectious diseases expert and University of Edinburgh professor Mark Woolhouse acknowledged that the decision to lockdown in March was a “crude measure” that was enacted because “we couldn’t think of anything better to do.”

“Lockdown was a panic measure and I believe history will say trying to control Covid-19 through lockdown was a monumental mistake on a global scale, the cure was worse than the disease,” said Woolhouse, who is now calling on the government to unlock society before more damage is done.

“I never want to see national lockdown again,” he added. “It was always a temporary measure that simply delayed the stage of the epidemic we see now. It was never going to change anything fundamentally.”

The professor asserts that the impact of the response to coronavirus will be worse than the virus itself.

“I believe the harm lockdown is doing to our education, health care access, and broader aspects of our economy and society will turn out to be at least as great as the harm done by COVID-19,” said Woolhouse.



 

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Well Britbox, it looks like with the news about Peru and now this statement from a UK government scientist, the "experts" are coming around to my original opinion of the lockdowns in March, which was that only perhaps in the case of some highly populated cities, the lockdown policy was a horrible approach to battling the Wuhan Nursing Home Virus (WNHV, also referred to as "covid").

It's nice to see them catching up, just as everyone on this board had to catch up to my perspective on Djokovic-on-grass back in 2010 or the significance of age v. talent when everyone obsessed over Federer turning 27 as if he was about to go into one of Cuomo's nursing homes because he could no longer physically play tennis.

Everyone can put this story in their pipe and smoke it - especially Moxie, AntiPushyWhush, Teeinted, Bwoken, and Tinfoil Federturd.


UK Government Scientist Admits Lockdown Was a “Monumental Mistake on a Global Scale”

Published 1 day ago on 24 August, 2020

“The cure was worse than the disease.”

A scientific advisor to the UK government says the coronavirus lockdown was a “panic measure” and a “monumental mistake on a global scale.”

Infectious diseases expert and University of Edinburgh professor Mark Woolhouse acknowledged that the decision to lockdown in March was a “crude measure” that was enacted because “we couldn’t think of anything better to do.”

“Lockdown was a panic measure and I believe history will say trying to control Covid-19 through lockdown was a monumental mistake on a global scale, the cure was worse than the disease,” said Woolhouse, who is now calling on the government to unlock society before more damage is done.

“I never want to see national lockdown again,” he added. “It was always a temporary measure that simply delayed the stage of the epidemic we see now. It was never going to change anything fundamentally.”

The professor asserts that the impact of the response to coronavirus will be worse than the virus itself.

“I believe the harm lockdown is doing to our education, health care access, and broader aspects of our economy and society will turn out to be at least as great as the harm done by COVID-19,” said Woolhouse.




I think your instincts on this from the beginning were largely right. It took me a while to catch up.
 
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Lots of things happening out there right now.

American patrols scuffling with Russian patrols in Syria.
China firing warning shots at American planes in the Pacific Rim.
IDF attack Hamas in Gaza
Abe to resign as the Japanese leader
 

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I think your instincts on this from the beginning were largely right. It took me a while to catch up.


It's all good.....I understand the people in the American media inside-out because I grew up around their ilk. They are the most pathetic political fanatics the world has ever seen. I knew exactly what they were doing and why (and when I say "they" I am not just referring to the New York Times and Washington Post but also their clones in Western Europe). This whole "covid" narrative from the start of March has been about hating Trump and little else. Gail Collins of the New York Times put it best in late February when she called it the "Trumpvirus." That's all this really is. And people like Moxie have been afflicted with the Trumpvirus (also known as Trump Derangement Syndrome) since the summer of 2015 when he declared his candidacy. It didn't start in the early months of 2020 in China.

You may also find this interesting.....the CDC is now acknowledging that the 180,000 deaths figure is a load of shit, as I always knew it was. It was entirely inflated for political reasons.


SHOCK REPORT: This Week CDC Quietly Updated COVID-19 Numbers – Only 9,210 Americans Died From COVID-19 Alone – Rest Had Different Other Serious Illnesses
By Joe Hoft
Published August 29, 2020 at 7:45pm

 

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However anyone wants to couch it, or deflect blame, these are the raw numbers, and the US is doing very poorly.

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Well Moxie, we now know - officially - that your dig at Trump with this chart is horseshit. That 182,404 figure for the U.S. - by the scumbag CDC's own admission - is utter nonsense. The actual death count from Covid alone is 9,210 as of right now, according to the CDC itself. Most of those 180,000 deaths were not from Covid, and the ones that did actually happen could have been prevented by either giving hydroxychloroquine to the patients or not idiotically sending them into nursing homes.

That 180,000 number is entirely fraudulent, and whatever numbers within it are legitimate are almost entirely the fault of the Democrats.
 

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Well Britbox, it looks like with the news about Peru and now this statement from a UK government scientist, the "experts" are coming around to my original opinion of the lockdowns in March, which was that only perhaps in the case of some highly populated cities, the lockdown policy was a horrible approach to battling the Wuhan Nursing Home Virus (WNHV, also referred to as "covid").

It's nice to see them catching up, just as everyone on this board had to catch up to my perspective on Djokovic-on-grass back in 2010 or the significance of age v. talent when everyone obsessed over Federer turning 27 as if he was about to go into one of Cuomo's nursing homes because he could no longer physically play tennis.

Everyone can put this story in their pipe and smoke it - especially Moxie, AntiPushyWhush, Teeinted, Bwoken, and Tinfoil Federturd.


UK Government Scientist Admits Lockdown Was a “Monumental Mistake on a Global Scale”

Published 1 day ago on 24 August, 2020

“The cure was worse than the disease.”

A scientific advisor to the UK government says the coronavirus lockdown was a “panic measure” and a “monumental mistake on a global scale.”

Infectious diseases expert and University of Edinburgh professor Mark Woolhouse acknowledged that the decision to lockdown in March was a “crude measure” that was enacted because “we couldn’t think of anything better to do.”

“Lockdown was a panic measure and I believe history will say trying to control Covid-19 through lockdown was a monumental mistake on a global scale, the cure was worse than the disease,” said Woolhouse, who is now calling on the government to unlock society before more damage is done.

“I never want to see national lockdown again,” he added. “It was always a temporary measure that simply delayed the stage of the epidemic we see now. It was never going to change anything fundamentally.”

The professor asserts that the impact of the response to coronavirus will be worse than the virus itself.

“I believe the harm lockdown is doing to our education, health care access, and broader aspects of our economy and society will turn out to be at least as great as the harm done by COVID-19,” said Woolhouse.



I agree. I didn't like the idea of lockdown at the beginning but I had a lot on trying to look after my Father who was very ill & myself & Mother who had to look after him. We had to deal with all his arguments, his forgetfulness & his dangerous behaviour as well as him not making sense & just looking after him. Me & Mother were advised to talk to normal people, be creative & learn new things or we'd get like Dad before the lockdown started. When lockdown started all we could do was be creative & learn new things. I had to sort things out when people who should have been in offices weren't so I couldn't do some of the things I needed to do. I followed the rules mainly to get our freedom back sooner.

I wouldn't say we didn't need a lockdown but it could have been planned out better so we wouldn't have needed to stay in lockdown as long.

I think we should have gone in lockdown sooner but the government should have given companies information sooner so they could have put sterilisation & soc. distancing processes in place sooner so everything could have been back open sooner & all different facial coverings including shields could have been made sooner instead of people using bandanas & scarfs to leave surgical masks for H & soc. care staff & only 1 type being available for everyone else. This way there could have been all the different varieties of facial coverings to suit everyone. The disposable blue ones don't suit everyone. The elastic snaps on me after a couple of seconds as I've got a big head & I can't breathe in them. The disposable black ones are easier to breathe in. Most of the washable ones are a lot easier to breathe in & I know asthmatics that can breathe easier in them.. The face shields solve the problem of people with others needing to lip-read as they're transparent. The problem with face shields is they knock people's spectacles off & if people have anti-glare coatings on their spectacles this affects them & they get that much glare they can't see. I think some of the office staff who weren't seen as essential were & should have still been working. Examples are bereavement departments of utility offices & hearing aid centres. (You'd have thought since they were expecting more people to die bereavement departments would have been staffed.) From what I've seen this lockdown has caused a lot of damage to companies. If the government had gone into lockdown sooner giving this information to companies, preparations could have been made sooner & things could have opened up sooner. If these masks were available sooner they could have been sold sooner. I think hearing aid centres should have opened up before pubs as people with hearing difficulties need hearing aid batteries so they can hear people & no-one needs a pint. Some people don't know what they're doing when drunk & can't always follow instructions so I think pubs should have been the last places to open.
 

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Excellent piece here from the Wall Street Journal on the stupid and ineffective lockdown policy.....the data are in and it's clear that they were a bad idea. Everyone who supported this idiocy should be ashamed of themselves.


The Failed Experiment of Covid Lockdowns
New data suggest that social distancing and reopening haven’t determined the spread.

By Donald L. Luskin
Sept. 1, 2020 6:54 pm ET


Six months into the Covid-19 pandemic, the U.S. has now carried out two large-scale experiments in public health—first, in March and April, the lockdown of the economy to arrest the spread of the virus, and second, since mid-April, the reopening of the economy. The results are in. Counterintuitive though it may be, statistical analysis shows that locking down the economy didn’t contain the disease’s spread and reopening it didn’t unleash a second wave of infections.

Considering that lockdowns are economically costly and create well-documented long-term public-health consequences beyond Covid, imposing them appears to have been a large policy error. At the beginning, when little was known, officials acted in ways they thought prudent. But now evidence proves that lockdowns were an expensive treatment with serious side effects and no benefit to society.

TrendMacro, my analytics firm, tallied the cumulative number of reported cases of Covid-19 in each state and the District of Columbia as a percentage of population, based on data from state and local health departments aggregated by the Covid Tracking Project. We then compared that with the timing and intensity of the lockdown in each jurisdiction. That is measured not by the mandates put in place by government officials, but rather by observing what people in each jurisdiction actually did, along with their baseline behavior before the lockdowns. This is captured in highly detailed anonymized cellphone tracking data provided by Google and others and tabulated by the University of Maryland’s Transportation Institute into a “Social Distancing Index.”

Measuring from the start of the year to each state’s point of maximum lockdown—which range from April 5 to April 18—it turns out that lockdowns correlated with a greater spread of the virus. States with longer, stricter lockdowns also had larger Covid outbreaks. The five places with the harshest lockdowns—the District of Columbia, New York, Michigan, New Jersey and Massachusetts—had the heaviest caseloads.

It could be that strict lockdowns were imposed as a response to already severe outbreaks. But the surprising negative correlation, while statistically weak, persists even when excluding states with the heaviest caseloads. And it makes no difference if the analysis includes other potential explanatory factors such as population density, age, ethnicity, prevalence of nursing homes, general health or temperature. The only factor that seems to make a demonstrable difference is the intensity of mass-transit use.

We ran the experiment a second time to observe the effects on caseloads of the reopening that began in mid-April. We used the same methodology, but started from each state’s peak of lockdown and extended to July 31. Confirming the first experiment, there was a tendency (though fairly weak) for states that opened up the most to have the lightest caseloads. The states that had the big summer flare-ups in the so-called “Sunbelt second wave”—Arizona, California, Florida and Texas—are by no means the most opened up, politicized headlines notwithstanding.

The lesson is not that lockdowns made the spread of Covid-19 worse—although the raw evidence might suggest that—but that lockdowns probably didn’t help, and opening up didn’t hurt. This defies common sense. In theory, the spread of an infectious disease ought to be controllable by quarantine. Evidently not in practice, though we are aware of no researcher who understands why not.

We’re not the only researchers to have discovered this statistical relationship. We first published a version of these findings in April, around the same time similar findings appeared in these pages. In July, a publication of the Lancet published research that found similar results looking across countries rather than U.S. states. “A longer time prior to implementation of any lockdown was associated with a lower number of detected cases,” the study concludes. Those findings have now been enhanced by sophisticated measures of actual social distancing, and data from the reopening phase.

There are experimental controls that all this research lacks. There are no observable instances in which there were either total lockdowns or no lockdowns at all. But there’s no escaping the evidence that, at minimum, heavy lockdowns were no more effective than light ones, and that opening up a lot was no more harmful than opening up a little. So where’s the science that would justify the heavy lockdowns many public-health officials are still demanding?

With the evidence we now possess, even the most risk-averse and single-minded public-health officials should hesitate before demanding the next lockdown and causing the next economic recession.

Mr. Luskin is chief investment officer of TrendMacro.

 

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Let"s look at other lessons learned, shall we?

Germany and South Korea.

There is also the reality that these countries with had good tracking and testing systems had far lower rates of infections and deaths. Is it somehow unrelated that they tested earlier, tracked well and had a health system infrastructure in place when the pandemic hit those countries? What correlation do we draw from what they did and their results?
 

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This illustrates just how totalitarian and anti-freedom the unscientific mask policy is. Footage from the beautiful country of España: