What on Earth is going on in the world today? It's gone mad

[calitennis127]

At the end of the day, what is important is the net effect of infection rate and mortality rate. Neither one of these factors individually has too much significance.
So, you cannot just focus on mortality rate.

So if millions of people test positive but they are going to get over it in a matter of days/weeks we should shut everything down for the indefinite future? We don't operate off that principle for any other disease.

The possibility that millions more are infected than we realize would actually be a good thing.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

So if millions of people test positive but they are going to get over it in a matter of days/weeks we should shut everything down for the indefinite future? We don't operate off that principle for any other disease.

The possibility that millions more are infected than we realize would actually be a good thing.

You did not quite understand my post.

Net number of deaths = number of people who get infected * mortality rate.

So, even with a low mortality rate, number of deaths can be large if the number of people infected is high.

In other words, a disease is to be taker seriously if it is highly infectious even if it has low mortality rate.

 

[calitennis127]

You did not quite understand my post.

Net number of deaths = number of people who get infected * mortality rate.

So, even with a low mortality rate, number of deaths can be large if the number of people infected is high.

In other words, a disease is to be taker seriously if it is highly infectious even if it has low mortality rate.

But you're equating "taking it seriously" with shutting everything down for basically another year. You can "take it seriously" without creating hundreds of other problems in society and in the world.

Testing for coronavirus is not the only consideration for governments and businesses to make between now and the end of time.

 

[the AntiPusher]

But merely testing positive for COVID is not a death sentence. There is a new study out of Stanford indicating that millions more people have it than we realize, which means the mortality rate is even lower than is officially acknowledged at the moment.

Cali say that to someone like Karl Anthony Towns or maybe someone in your neighborhood who has suffer fatalities in their immediate family that COVID-19 virus isn't a potential death sentence.

 

[Bonaca]

You did not quite understand my post.

Net number of deaths = number of people who get infected * mortality rate.

So, even with a low mortality rate, number of deaths can be large if the number of people infected is high.

In other words, a disease is to be taker seriously if it is highly infectious even if it has low mortality rate.

You are absolutely right.

The big question is what means to take it more serious? The answer is not clear yet. It seems there is no one answer which fits all countries the same well.

So Calis question is also understandable, in my opinion.

It is clear that the mortality rate is lower than the current numbers are indicating.

 

[Bonaca]

You did not quite understand my post.

Net number of deaths = number of people who get infected * mortality rate.

So, even with a low mortality rate, number of deaths can be large if the number of people infected is high.

In other words, a disease is to be taker seriously if it is highly infectious even if it has low mortality rate.

Do you have informations about the number of Influenza Infections and death rates from the past years from US or GB in comparison to Covid-19?

In Germany for example, there is no difference so far visible, and i mean the extrapolation before the lockdown of course.
Some can argue, its "only" a severe flu withering.

 

[calitennis127]

Cali say that to someone like Karl Anthony Towns or maybe someone in your neighborhood who has suffer fatalities in their immediate family that COVID-19 virus isn't a potential death sentence.

And go ahead and say to the millions of people who have lost their jobs that their concerns don't matter either. And also go ahead and talk to the hundreds of thousands of people who have survived coronavirus and ask them if they think we should usher in a global depression over a disease that most of them got over pretty easily.

Do these people in Indiana not mean anything?

Indiana sees 'alarming' spike in mental health, addiction issues amid coronavirus

Indiana sees 'alarming' spike in mental health, addiction issues amid coronavirus

Indiana's 211 hotline went from receiving roughly 1,000 calls a day regarding mental health — including suicidal ideation — to 25,000 calls a day.

www.indystar.com

 

[the AntiPusher]

And go ahead and say to the millions of people who have lost their jobs that their concerns don't matter either. And also go ahead and talk to the hundreds of thousands of people who have survived coronavirus and ask them if they think we should usher in a global depression over a disease that most of them got over pretty easily.

Do these people in Indiana not mean anything?

Indiana sees 'alarming' spike in mental health, addiction issues amid coronavirus

Indiana sees 'alarming' spike in mental health, addiction issues amid coronavirus

Indiana's 211 hotline went from receiving roughly 1,000 calls a day regarding mental health — including suicidal ideation — to 25,000 calls a day.

www.indystar.com

In January there was 15 known cases of Covid-19 in the US. Now it's almost 700,000 cases.. If your President just did his JOB, people may not have loss their jobs or loved ones.. That's a FACT...thats not a debatable opinion. Your President, the person you voted for says he doesn't want to be a supply clerk President..He is withholding PPE funding for medical essential workers and for medical swaps for testing? Why. Please explain

 

[britbox]

The Bastard Cruise...

'It's bloody awful': Marie went on the trip of a lifetime, then people started dying

The Ruby Princess was supposed to be the trip of a lifetime but now the ship remains docked under police guard in NSW with a growing international body count. This is how a holiday turned into a nightmare for Marie Loveridge.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Fiero425]

In January there was 15 known cases of Covid-19 in the US. Now it's almost 700,000 cases.. If your President just did his JOB, people may not have loss their jobs or loved ones.. That's a FACT...thats not a debatable opinion. Your President, the person you voted for says he doesn't want to be a supply clerk President..He is withholding PPE funding for medical essential workers and for medical swaps for testing? Why. Please explain

Knuckleheads in this country don't have a problem with conflicting information coming out of their gov't representation! They're used to it and expect it; esp. out of Trump! In their minds it's a conspiracy of the MSM and liberals headed by the Clintons, Obama, & Pelosi to change the results of 2016! The mental disturbance is no surprise to me and they really need to find some new "boogie men!" I've felt for them, but see no other way to deal with the ignorance I observe everyday live and on TV! I'm watching the news now where Floridians are enjoying a loosening of restrictions, allowing beaches to open last night! They're not supposed to congregate or sit around with coolers, but it's going on anyway! The "red states" are going to get hit hard not seeming to care if there's a new hotspot created! It's inevitable! Good luck out there!

 

[the AntiPusher]

Knuckleheads in this country don't have a problem with conflicting information coming out of their gov't representation! They're used to it and expect it; esp. out of Trump! In their minds it's a conspiracy of the MSM and liberals headed by the Clintons, Obama, & Pelosi to change the results of 2016! The mental disturbance is no surprise to me and they really need to find some new "boogie men!" I've felt for them, but see no other way to deal with the ignorance I observe everyday live and on TV! I'm watching the news now where Floridians are enjoying a loosening of restrictions, allowing beaches to open last night! They're not supposed to congregate or sit around with coolers, but it's going on anyway! The "red states" are going to get hit hard not seeming to care if there's a new hotspot created! It's inevitable! Good luck out there!

The greatest trick the Devil every played was convincing the world that he didn't exist..

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

The Bastard Cruise...

'It's bloody awful': Marie went on the trip of a lifetime, then people started dying

The Ruby Princess was supposed to be the trip of a lifetime but now the ship remains docked under police guard in NSW with a growing international body count. This is how a holiday turned into a nightmare for Marie Loveridge.

www.abc.net.au

Baron,

Whoever let those people off that ship Need To Be Sacked ASAP.Now we have the police investigating? how long will that take? while people continue to die from COVID19 from that ship cruise ship that docked in Sydney.Buck passing from our Premier,to our health minister who said he did not know anything about it? help me? who actually is in charge of our state.Meanwhile the ship is docked on our south coast,with crew now infected with the virus.Police said this virus could have been started in the galley of the ship? who really knows.There will be class action taken I believe from some of the passengers,rightly so.The cruise from Hell continues.

 

[calitennis127]

In January there was 15 known cases of Covid-19 in the US. Now it's almost 700,000 cases.. If your President just did his JOB, people may not have loss their jobs or loved ones.. That's a FACT...thats not a debatable opinion. Your President, the person you voted for says he doesn't want to be a supply clerk President..He is withholding PPE funding for medical essential workers and for medical swaps for testing? Why. Please explain

Right AP, I am sure that if Trump had called for a shutdown in the middle of his impeachment trial in late January with the WHO still dithering and Dr. Fauci essentially saying the coronavirus wasn’t too much to worry about, everyone would have hopped on board. Are you serious?

Democrats across the board in late January and early February condemned Trump’s travel ban and said that concerns about the coronavirus in general were xenophobic. Numerous news outlets including Vox and the Washington Post said that the flu was more of a concern than coronavirus at the time. Then in late February and early March they started changing their tune entirely and playing Monday morning quarterback.

Imagine this scenario: it’s February 10th. Not a single American has died from the coronavirus. Democrats have been condemning the travel ban from China. Then Donald Trump imposes a nationwide ban on public gatherings out of the blue. Do you seriously think that this would have been accepted by Trump’s opponents?

You have to be kidding.

As for your final question, the Democrats are the ones stalling with the PPP funding, which is needed by businesses far more than hospitals. The hospitals in America are vacant and wide open because the virus is nowhere near as bad as your info sources are telling you. New York City is not the entire country.

 

[the AntiPusher]

Right AP, I am sure that if Trump had called for a shutdown in the middle of his impeachment trial in late January with the WHO still dithering and Dr. Fauci essentially saying the coronavirus wasn’t too much to worry about, everyone would have hopped on board. Are you serious?

Democrats across the board in late January and early February condemned Trump’s travel ban and said that concerns about the coronavirus in general were xenophobic. Numerous news outlets including Vox and the Washington Post said that the flu was more of a concern than coronavirus at the time. Then in late February and early March they started changing their tune entirely and playing Monday morning quarterback.

Imagine this scenario: it’s February 10th. Not a single American has died from the coronavirus. Democrats have been condemning the travel ban from China. Then Donald Trump imposes a nationwide ban on public gatherings out of the blue. Do you seriously think that this would have been accepted by Trump’s opponents?

You have to be kidding.

As for your final question, the Democrats are the ones stalling with the PPP funding, which is needed by businesses far more than hospitals. The hospitals in America are vacant and wide open because the virus is nowhere near as bad as your info sources are telling you. New York City is not the entire country.

Cali..Trump impeachment had nothing to due with him being derelict in his responsibilities of being the President.

Cali, lives have been lost , jobs and financial institutions have been totally dismantle yet you STILL want to make this Red vs Blue.

This is far from being over, there's no vaccine .
Take a long look at these people who have loss their lives mainly because of the ineptitude of this day trader President.

Remembering those who have died from Covid-19

As the world grapples with the unimaginable scale of the pandemic’s toll, we wanted to create a space to remember those who have died.

www.cnn.com

Make no mistake about it. All of this is on Trump and everyone who voted for that EVIL sonasbitch.

 

[calitennis127]

Cali..Trump impeachment had nothing to due with him being derelict in his responsibilities of being the President.

Cali, lives have been lost , jobs and financial institutions have been totally dismantle yet you STILL want to make this Red vs Blue.

This is far from being over, there's no vaccine .
Take a long look at these people who have loss their lives mainly because of the ineptitude of this day trader President.

Remembering those who have died from Covid-19

As the world grapples with the unimaginable scale of the pandemic’s toll, we wanted to create a space to remember those who have died.

www.cnn.com

Make no mistake about it. All of this is on Trump and everyone who voted for that EVIL sonasbitch.

AP, you are a classic example of a low-information Democratic voter who does not know shit about the world, or even your own country. Do you not know that CNN, the Washington Post, the Daily Beast, Vox, and condemned Trump’s travel ban as xenophobic either explicitly or implicitly?

Let’s take this tweet from Vox on January 31st:

““What is this #coronavirus? It’s part of a family of viruses that attack the respiratory system. Should I travel during the outbreak? The CDC and the State Department advise avoiding China for now. Is this going to be a deadly pandemic? No.”

And then let’s take a look atthis article from the Washington Post on February 1st:

Get a grippe, America. The flu is a much bigger threat than coronavirus, for now.


So you wanted Trump at that time in the face of that media opposition - with Fauci saying there was nothing to panic about - while the impeachment trial was going on to shut down the United States?

Sure. That is the dumbest thing you could possibly say.

As for the economic catastrophe: that is only on the Republicans to the extent that they have gone along with the Democrats’ narrative that every corner of the country needs to be on lockdown indefinitely. That is stupid and the Republicans never should have cowered in going along with that. It is causing economic disaster unnecessarily.

And, just as a rule of thumb, if Federberg likes something you say, it is probably off-base. He is still eating crow after the latest revelations about the Russia investigation. He thought the Russians were providing misinformation to benefit Trump when it was actually to hurt Trump through the dossier. Reports this week show that the FBI knew this and now Federberg has pie on his face.

 

[the AntiPusher]

AP, you are a classic example of a low-information Democratic voter who does not know shit about the world, or even your own country. Do you not know that CNN, the Washington Post, the Daily Beast, Vox, and condemned Trump’s travel ban as xenophobic either explicitly or implicitly?

Let’s take this tweet from Vox on January 31st:

““What is this #coronavirus? It’s part of a family of viruses that attack the respiratory system. Should I travel during the outbreak? The CDC and the State Department advise avoiding China for now. Is this going to be a deadly pandemic? No.”

And then let’s take a look atthis article from the Washington Post on February 1st:

Get a grippe, America. The flu is a much bigger threat than coronavirus, for now.


So you wanted Trump at that time in the face of that media opposition - with Fauci saying there was nothing to panic about - while the impeachment trial was going on to shut down the United States?

Sure. That is the dumbest thing you could possibly say.

As for the economic catastrophe: that is only on the Republicans to the extent that they have gone along with the Democrats’ narrative that every corner of the country needs to be on lockdown indefinitely. That is stupid and the Republicans never should have cowered in going along with that. It is causing economic disaster unnecessarily.

And, just as a rule of thumb, if Federberg likes something you say, it is probably off-base. He is still eating crow after the latest revelations about the Russia investigation. He thought the Russians were providing misinformation to benefit Trump when it was actually to hurt Trump through the dossier. Reports this week show that the FBI knew this and now Federberg has pie on his face.

Cali.. because people have enough common sense and wisdom not to buy into the foolishness of the right wing conservatives like yourself, however you want to say I don't know shit about this country or the world. That's a bit "rich" even from you.
Its apparently you have zero compassion for humanity but much rather be a mindless follower of a historical xenophobic racist such as Donald J Trump.

 

[calitennis127]

Cali.. because people have enough common sense and wisdom not to buy into the foolishness of the right wing conservatives like yourself, however you want to say I don't know shit about this country or the world. That's a bit "rich" even from you.
Its apparently you have zero compassion for humanity but much rather be a mindless follower of a historical xenophobic racist such as Donald J Trump.

AntiPusher, stop dodging the question: are you saying that Donald Trump should have shut down the United States in early February when the entire Democratic media was saying that Trump’s travel ban was unnecessary and the coronavirus was no worse than the flu?

 

[the AntiPusher]

AntiPusher, stop dodging the question: are you saying that Donald Trump should have shut down the United States in early February when the entire Democratic media was saying that Trump’s travel ban was unnecessary and the coronavirus was no worse than the flu?

Cali..is that a rhetorical question? Trump should had invoked whatever act or means necessary to ensure the safety of the US citizens and everyone else in the World..Had he acted within those 3 to 4 weeks the numbers ( infected cases and deaths) would have been dramatically lower. By the way, it was never called or classified as the flu..Only the right wing and Don's expert medical analysis called it that. Look at Us now.
Please tell us have you suffered financially because of the shutdown? Is that your only concern? Do you have Any family or a friend? Or are you just a Lone Wolf that watches FOX news and the stock market analysis

A country can recover from a financial shutdown. People who medical condition has been compromised permanently can learn to live with with their new disabilities. However, people who has loss their mothers, fathers, wives, husbands , children and other love ones CANNOT recover or may not recover.

Cali..send me a pm with your email address, I know Karl Anthony Towns via Anthony Davis and a few folks from Chicago. Whenever KAT is in town for an NBA game, I can get you a personal invitation from him and I want you to express to that Man that you feel that his mother's death may not be on Don's hand.

 

[calitennis127]

Cali..is that a rhetorical question? Trump should had invoked whatever act or means necessary to ensure the safety of the US citizens and everyone else in the World..

On what basis? No one in the United States had died yet and none of his medical advisers were telling him that the country needed to be shut down. Also, his political opponents in the media and in the Democratic Party were saying that he was being xenophobic for even worrying about the coronavirus. You are playing Monday morning quarterback completely.

Had he acted within those 3 to 4 weeks the numbers ( infected cases and deaths) would have been dramatically lower.

Again, on what basis were you expecting him to act? None of his medical advisers were suggesting that he shut the country down in February and Democrats were calling him xenophobic for even raising concerns about the coronavirus for the first part of February. A few of them even indicated late in February and early in March that they thought Trump was being xenophobic by raising concerns over it. Pelosi told people on February 24th in a press conference to go out to Chinatown in San Francisco and De Blasio told New Yorkers to go out on the town on March 2nd.

By the way, it was never called or classified as the flu..Only the right wing and Don's expert medical analysis called it that. Look at Us now.

You are totally wrong about that. Both the Washington Post and Daily Beast compared the coronavirus to the flu in early February and said that the flu was worse. Fox News was actually alone among the major networks in saying during January that the coronavirus was something to worry about. The other networks and new outlets were dismissing it. Fox was the only one taking it seriously in January.

I could give you dozens of examples, but for the sake of brevity, I will just offer this one. How are you going to talk your way out of this one? Is the Daily Beast now a right-wing propaganda outlet too?

The Virus Killing U.S. Kids Isn’t the One Dominating the Headlines

Coronavirus, with zero American fatalities, is dominating headlines, while the flu has killed dozens of U.S. kids this season—including 11-year-old Luca, a true “Giver of Light.”

February 6, 2020

The Virus Killing U.S. Kids Isn’t the One Dominating the Headlines

Coronavirus, with zero American fatalities, is dominating headlines, while the flu has killed dozens of U.S. kids this season—including 11-year-old Luca, a true “Giver of Light.”

www.thedailybeast.com

 

[Federberg]

Absolutely incredible if true. The question needs to be asked, why is this not in main stream papers around the world??

21 million Chinese died of Covid: US intelligence - The Eastern Link

A new data intercepted by the United States reveals that 21 million people died in China from December 2019 to March 2020, US intelligence officials conclude in a classified report for the Trump administration. The Intelligence report stated that at least 20.9 million of the deaths were linked...

theeasternlink.com