What on Earth is going on in the world today? It's gone mad

[Federberg]

Sure. I’m not sure what level of specificity you are looking for, but I do think that the extra precautions being taken in public places right now (distancing, constant hand washing, and even masks) would have been sufficient to ward off extreme outbreaks without putting everyone out of work. In fact, Hong Kong did that 23 days ago and they have been fine. They have not had a single new death and their cases keep going down. I’m sure Moxie will be devastated to see this graph but here goes:



And then there’s this reality.....coronavirus has either not impacted or barely impacted any part of the U.S. outside of NYC. You are assuming it to be far worse than it has been:

After all your writing and criticisms that is the sum total of your solution? And you use Hong Kong? This is just embarrassing. You have no substance and you present no solution.

on a side note... Tom Wood and Alex Berenson? Those are writers correct? Have you read their books? I’m a fan of both. I drop everything when they publish something new

 

[Federberg]

 

[britbox]

Sure. I’m not sure what level of specificity you are looking for, but I do think that the extra precautions being taken in public places right now (distancing, constant hand washing, and even masks) would have been sufficient to ward off extreme outbreaks without putting everyone out of work. In fact, Hong Kong did that 23 days ago and they have been fine. They have not had a single new death and their cases keep going down. I’m sure Moxie will be devastated to see this graph but here goes:



And then there’s this reality.....coronavirus has either not impacted or barely impacted any part of the U.S. outside of NYC. You are assuming it to be far worse than it has been:

The stats coming out of China aren't worth the paper they are written on. Sweden is a more interesting case, and I'm following that scenario. However, it's still the tail wagging the dog. The UK is in lockdown and experiencing a much worse situation than Sweden... ditto France, Spain etc... My thinking is that one size doesn't fit all... Every country is unique based on the level of foreign travel, demographics, policy, health etc...

 

[calitennis127]

Sweden is a more interesting case, and I'm following that scenario. However, it's still the tail wagging the dog. The UK is in lockdown and experiencing a much worse situation than Sweden... ditto France, Spain etc... My thinking is that one size doesn't fit all... Every country is unique based on the level of foreign travel, demographics, policy, health etc...

You won't see Moxie acknowledging that Sweden has done better than France, Spain, and Italy.....instead she makes this silly argument that since Sweden now has slightly more cases than Denmark and Finland, then Denmark and Finland clearly took the better approach.

You are of course right that every country has unique circumstances. But what St. Moxie of Manhattan, Federbergy, and the Lebanese Elmer want is a total and indefinite economic shutdown everywhere in the world until leading Democrats start agreeing that it's okay to re-open the economy. Anything less than a total shutdown everywhere is "endangering precious lives" and utterly heinous.

Ultimately it's just a party line for them. And St. Moxie of Manhattan can't grapple with the reality that New York City is not the entire world. Her NYC-centered understanding of political affairs is completely parochial.

 

[calitennis127]

After all your writing and criticisms that is the sum total of your solution? And you use Hong Kong? This is just embarrassing. You have no substance and you present no solution.

If you were expecting a policy paper, I wasn't about to write one for you. It's funny how you never ask for such detail from, say, Bwoken when he makes the asinine statements that he does.

on a side note... Tom Wood and Alex Berenson? Those are writers correct? Have you read their books? I’m a fan of both. I drop everything when they publish something new

Obviously you're kidding but you would do well to read either of them. They would help uplift your mind.

 

[calitennis127]

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Those are interesting numbers out of Singapore, but of course the Times is simply trying to make the case for continued shutdowns at all costs. That is the fashionable thing to say right now for everyone on the left because they see Trump and the Republicans wanting to re-open the economy.

The question is how much of an outbreak will there be if the economy re-opens. I think it would be limited and containable in most places.

Also, for the record, as I said to Britbox a few weeks ago I think the number of cases is far higher than is currently reported. And that's a good thing because that means the mortality rate is extremely low.

 

[Federberg]

Is China winning?

The geopolitical consequences of covid-19 will be subtle, but unfortunate

www.economist.com

 

[Federberg]

 

[Moxie]

You won't see Moxie acknowledging that Sweden has done better than France, Spain, and Italy.....instead she makes this silly argument that since Sweden now has slightly more cases than Denmark and Finland, then Denmark and Finland clearly took the better approach.

You are of course right that every country has unique circumstances. But what St. Moxie of Manhattan, Federbergy, and the Lebanese Elmer want is a total and indefinite economic shutdown everywhere in the world until leading Democrats start agreeing that it's okay to re-open the economy. Anything less than a total shutdown everywhere is "endangering precious lives" and utterly heinous.

Ultimately it's just a party line for them. And St. Moxie of Manhattan can't grapple with the reality that New York City is not the entire world. Her NYC-centered understanding of political affairs is completely parochial.

Wow, I don't know why I ever tried (on the US Politics thread) to talk to you reasonably. I didn't mention France, Spain and Italy? You're a schmuck and you don't argue fairly. There's a whole world I didn't mention. It was a single point, and now I'm being punished for what I "didn't" say. You're like a game of "Mother May I," except you are the only one that controls the rules. At least in your own mind. You know why everyone argues with you here? Because we have not enough else to do, and you are low-hanging fruit.

 

[calitennis127]

Wow, I don't know why I ever tried (on the US Politics thread) to talk to you reasonably. I didn't mention France, Spain and Italy? You're a schmuck and you don't argue fairly.

You only compared Sweden to its immediate neighbors.

 

[Moxie]

You only compared Sweden to its immediate neighbors.

I thought that was a fair point, in context of their economic mutual reliance. If you wanted to bring in France, Italy and Germany, that was your point to make.

 

[rafanoy1992]

At this point, I do not see the US Open being played at all. The state of New York is still getting COVID cases (although at a slower rate which is good!) and I do not think Governor Cuomo will take that type of risk.

As for the French Open, that is questionable too, however I do not know France's situation right now. I do know President Macron is not allowing other people outside of France to enter France as of right now.

To be honest, I am all for restarting tennis in 2021. I just want EVERYONE to be healthy and safe and make sure that a pandemic will never happen again in the immediate future!

 

[Moxie]

At this point, I do not see the US Open being played at all. The state of New York is still getting COVID cases (although at a slower rate which is good!) and I do not think Governor Cuomo will take that type of risk.

As for the French Open, that is questionable too, however I do not know France's situation right now. I do know President Macron is not allowing other people outside of France to enter France as of right now.

To be honest, I am all for restarting tennis in 2021. I just want EVERYONE to be healthy and safe and make sure that a pandemic will never happen again in the immediate future!

That's 4 months away. I honestly hope we'll not all be locked down this hard by late August. We'll figure out some way to come out of our hidey-holes, even if it's in small increments. Tennis might figure out how to test and protect its players, even if they play without crowds. What if a small number of people can get tickets and stay socially distanced? We do the grocery store and the post office like that, now. We'll be good at it by end of summer. I don't think everything will close down for the rest of the year. So why would tennis need to?

 

[rafanoy1992]

That's 4 months away. I honestly hope we'll not all be locked down this hard by late August. We'll figure out some way to come out of our hidey-holes, even if it's in small increments. Tennis might figure out how to test and protect its players, even if they play without crowds. What if a small number of people can get tickets and stay socially distanced? We do the grocery store and the post office like that, now. We'll be good at it by end of summer. I don't think everything will close down for the rest of the year. So why would tennis need to?

I understand your view, Moxie. My thinking is that why take a risk of having another potential possible outbreak this Summer/Fall especially if there is no vaccine yet?

Here's my view in sports general during this pandemic: If they can somehow show that they can play sports, without fans of course, and provide that the players are COVID safe from this pandemic AND they will not spread the virus to ANYONE (meaning families and close friends), then go right ahead, play sports, I do not have a problem with that at all!

But until then, we take this pandemic very cautiously and smartly! No shortcuts or "Well, the rate is going down and etc...reasons." Because the moment a professional sports player or even a person close to that particular player is tested positive for COVID, then it will be like March all over again. Better be safe and smart than sorry.

 

[Bonaca]

It seems that the higher propensity for case fatalities in minority communities is not unique to the United States. I would very much like to see the data based on wealth groupings, not just racial composition to see if the answer is poverty related...

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compare that to the macro data...

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Another interesting indication is that a higher death rate is associated with industrial hot spots/ high air pollution due to for example car exhausts.
It was shown in the pandemic start in China and North Italy.
Chronic lung damage is the result and that for higher death rates.

 

[Bonaca]

Just as in many places in the USA.....many hospitals in the UK are vacant.

NHS hospitals have four times more empty beds than normal

NHS hospitals have four times more empty beds than normal

Tens of thousands of NHS hospital beds remain unoccupied amid the coronavirus crisis - about four times the normal number - due to huge ongoing efforts to free up space, and a slowdown in admissions from other causes.

www.hsj.co.uk

Another explanation for empty beds is, all the minor medical problems, those that flood the offices and clinics, now stay at home.
It shows how much money is burnt in healthcare for nothing.
Ask an emergency doctor with how much bullshit he has to deal with every day and night, think in US or GB is no difference to EU, if not much more worse.
Every country has its idiots, more population=more idiots.

 

[Bonaca]

The crauts are cruising pretty well through this crisis.
Currently the number of Recovered to new Infections is significantly positive.
They plan to start elective surgeries again in may!
IN my business we have a dip in patient numbers n early April about 30%, now already normalising.
It’s pretty close to what government is posting.
Other economic areas of course still in Desaster.

 

[Federberg]

Angela Merkel explained the scientific problem with 'overconfidence' in lifting lockdowns

Ah, the beauty of having a leader with a PhD in quantum chemistry.

www.upworthy.com

 

[calitennis127]

But until then, we take this pandemic very cautiously and smartly! No shortcuts or "Well, the rate is going down and etc...reasons." Because the moment a professional sports player or even a person close to that particular player is tested positive for COVID, then it will be like March all over again. Better be safe and smart than sorry.

But merely testing positive for COVID is not a death sentence. There is a new study out of Stanford indicating that millions more people have it than we realize, which means the mortality rate is even lower than is officially acknowledged at the moment.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

But merely testing positive for COVID is not a death sentence. There is a new study out of Stanford indicating that millions more people have it than we realize, which means the mortality rate is even lower than is officially acknowledged at the moment.

At the end of the day, what is important is the net effect of infection rate and mortality rate. Neither one of these factors individually has too much significance.
So, you cannot just focus on mortality rate.