US Politics Thread

[britbox]

Ray Moore? I don't think so. Most of the GOP hierarchy are distancing themselves from him.

 

[Federberg]

Ray Moore? I don't think so. Most of the GOP hierarchy are distancing themselves from him.

distancing, but not throwing him under the bus. It's one thing to say he shouldn't be elected, it's quite another to qualify it with "if it's true". I believe only a few like John McCain have flat out said he should step down. The man has virtually admitted to it by using part of the allegations to defend himself. This is a vastly different response to the Harvey Weinstein allegations, and these allegations are worse on such obvious levels

 

[Federberg]

To be clear... Roy Moore, admitted on Fox that he dated girls in his 30s young enough for him to have to ask permission from their mothers. If that isn't enough for folks I don't know what is

 

[Federberg]

Another woman comes out, and I was just listening to some local Alabama journalists who say they've spoken to other women who have confirmed assaults by this creep as well. Some of them may come out, but a lot of them don't want to be shark bait for some of these vicious scum that will defend Moore even if he raped a child in front of them. I simply cannot believe American politics has reached a point where there is even a debate about this issue anymore

 

[britbox]

Moore's got nowhere to go by the looks of it, but I'd still like to see the general principle of a formal hearing rather than just taking somebody's word for it at face value. Now, this isn't that necessary here because Moore has admitted to stuff himself already... but as a general principle it needs to happen. There were several people in that UK Yewtree investigation who were named and shamed and then proven to be totally innocent - Jimmy Tarbuck's accusers were proven to have totally made it up.

 

[britbox]

Looks like Hillary might be up for investigation...

 

[Federberg]

Looks like Hillary might be up for investigation...

I'm not so sure about that. Sessions was distancing himself from that in Congress yesterday. How US politics has reached a point where Fox & Friends can request a Special Counsel as a political stunt is quite beyond me. This is banana republic stuff

 

[Federberg]

Moore's got nowhere to go by the looks of it, but I'd still like to see the general principle of a formal hearing rather than just taking somebody's word for it at face value. Now, this isn't that necessary here because Moore has admitted to stuff himself already... but as a general principle it needs to happen. There were several people in that UK Yewtree investigation who were named and shamed and then proven to be totally innocent - Jimmy Tarbuck's accusers were proven to have totally made it up.

This doesn't make any sense to me at all. This is the court of public opinion, not a court of law. The statute of limitations has run out. There is no equivalence between the UK investigations and this. Moore is on record as not explicitly denying these allegations, and not only have these women put themselves on record, they are Trump supporters generally. Furthermore even the mall has come out and confirmed that they barred Moore from trawling on their premises for young girls. I find it disturbing that anyone would be hesitant at this stage to disavow this guy

 

[britbox]

This doesn't make any sense to me at all. This is the court of public opinion, not a court of law. The statute of limitations has run out. There is no equivalence between the UK investigations and this. Moore is on record as not explicitly denying these allegations, and not only have these women put themselves on record, they are Trump supporters generally. Furthermore even the mall has come out and confirmed that they barred Moore from trawling on their premises for young girls. I find it disturbing that anyone would be hesitant at this stage to disavow this guy

You may have missed this bit: Now, this isn't that necessary here because Moore has admitted to stuff himself already

 

[Federberg]

You may have missed this bit: Now, this isn't that necessary here because Moore has admitted to stuff himself already

Fair enough (I did miss that because the first bit was like a red rag to me! ) Anything that sounds like a defence of the guy makes my flesh crawl. My bad

 

[Federberg]

Looks like Hillary might be up for investigation...

fyi...

 

[britbox]

It might be totally unrelated to Uranium One, but when somebody funnels 131 million to the Clinton Foundation then something tells me it ain't really from the goodness of their heart. As forensic analysts say... follow the money trail.

 

[Federberg]

It might be totally unrelated to Uranium One, but when somebody funnels 131 million to the Clinton Foundation then something tells me it ain't really from the goodness of their heart. As forensic analysts say... follow the money trail.

Lol! You want to believe something nefarious about Clinton. That's your call. But at least try to maintain some sort of relationship with the facts. There's no there, there... The amount might seem large, but it's by no means unusual in the context of charitable giving by the way

 

[britbox]

Lol! You want to believe something nefarious about Clinton. That's your call. But at least try to maintain some sort of relationship with the facts. There's no there, there... The amount might seem large, but it's by no means unusual in the context of charitable giving by the way

OK, let's remove Uranium One out of the equation for now... I'll agree it's all pretty flimsy as it stands.

However, and I debated this with you and Moxie a long time ago when we looked at Clintons donors list... Moxie, at least (and maybe you, but I can't be bothered to trawl back on it) seemed to be of the view that these were genuine heartfelt donations by the likes of the Friends of Saudi Arabia, Quatar and all these other donors... I just roll my eyes to be honest... these payments are for influence...and influence alone.

 

[Federberg]

OK, let's remove Uranium One out of the equation for now... I'll agree it's all pretty flimsy as it stands.

However, and I debated this with you and Moxie a long time ago when we looked at Clintons donors list... Moxie, at least (and maybe you, but I can't be bothered to trawl back on it) seemed to be of the view that these were genuine heartfelt donations by the likes of the Friends of Saudi Arabia, Quatar and all these other donors... I just roll my eyes to be honest... these payments are for influence...and influence alone.

This is not new mate. People of have been making contributions for influence since the beginning of time. Where I depart from you is the fact that you immediately assign a nefarious purpose to charitable contributions from Middle Eastern donors. Not only is the truth is usually far simpler than that, the fact that to date there has been no evidence whatsoever of any wrongdoing despite a huge anti-Clinton infrastructure is telling. I would be the first one to slam the Clinton's if anything was ever pulled up. It's interesting how silent her accusers are regarding Trump despite the blatant corruption that we now see in Washington. When concern for the legalities is influenced by bias it loses all credibility

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Multiple birds with one stone now.

1. Sessions runs as a write-in candidate killing Roy Moore.
2. New Guy with no "memory issues' becomes AG of USA.
3. New guy takes supervision of Muller not having to rescue himself.
4. New Guy fires Muller.
5. Russia-Collusion goes away.

Trump might have paid these women who were accusing Roy Moore!

 

[Federberg]

Multiple birds with one stone now.

1. Sessions runs as a write-in candidate killing Roy Moore.
2. New Guy with no "memory issues' becomes AG of USA.
3. New guy takes supervision of Muller not having to rescue himself.
4. New Guy fires Muller.
5. Russia-Collusion goes away.

Trump might have paid these women who were accusing Roy Moore!

Lol! I’ve been thinking about that. Sessions clearly doesn’t want to do that. In any case the first question any AG designate will have to answer is will you fire Mueller?

 

[britbox]

The insane far-left invading some American campuses is the gift that keeps on giving...

Prof Weinstein (incidentally a Bernie Sanders supporter) ends up having to leave Evergreen university because he wasn't prepared to "stay at home" on a student demand that one day should be classed as a "non-white" day.

 

[mrzz]

Ok, that's completely nuts -- quite similar to a similar case posted on one of the "PC" threads.

Even if these videos make my blood boil and I would LOVE to be in this guy shoes (just for an hour) and confront these people, I will try to be devil's advocate.

It is impossible that these people represent the majority of what is called the "left" in USA. I cannot believe that this is representative. I may believe that are rational people that endorse all kinds of affirmative action, and that the people on this video are just a small minority, probably with a lot of personal issues regarding authority (classical Freudian cases), that could not fully understand neither the situation nor the policies they believe they support, and just took advantage of what they perceive as a superior moral position. @Moxie, please tell me that these people are not representative.

 

[Nekro]

Ok, that's completely nuts -- quite similar to a similar case posted on one of the "PC" threads.

Even if these videos make my blood boil and I would LOVE to be in this guy shoes (just for an hour) and confront these people, I will try to be devil's advocate.

It is impossible that these people represent the majority of what is called the "left" in USA. I cannot believe that this is representative. I may believe that are rational people that endorse all kinds of affirmative action, and that the people on this video are just a small minority, probably with a lot of personal issues regarding authority (classical Freudian cases), that could not fully understand neither the situation nor the policies they believe they support, and just took advantage of what they perceive as a superior moral position. @Moxie, please tell me that these people are not representative.

You can wait til kingdom come for Moxie, brokenshoelace, DarthFed, GSM or tossip to pop up here are and condemn racism against whites.... Some of them will pop up in one of scoop's tennis threads to condemn him for defending Medvedev's right to protect himself from racism but they will never speak out against brutal in your face racism against whites like this, because you know against whites it's perfectly ok..... Now if something is outrageous, it's this.....

About these people not being "representative", we can open a debate about what "representative" means... These cases are happening like damn often..... and some people are nudging these moronic bullies on...... so i would be a bit more careful about whom i support or nudge on cause the next step is this..... Like they destroy the statues, cool cause that's a political statement... or they beat up a police officer who won an award for being a good cop and he's also a war veteran , they send him to a dangerous zone cause another cop was stabbed there and the afro criminals gang on him and beat him while he's doing his job cause the criminal beat up a woman, but he's almost lynched and the reaction on this board (without the person reading up on the case) is that the poster just saw the policeman beating the criminal..... So this is ok too, nothing to see here.. just lol so i guess this campus thing is perfectly ok too, there's not much to see on this vid, well they say this and that but what's the big deal, and it's not representative anyway, like it's not happening every hour....... now imagine the outrage if some whites made an non-black day at some school.... and demanded a black prof to resign because he showed up to do his job... just lol.....

Anyway, the USA is truly fucked..... Almost everybody is messed up there.... And the whites are not innocent either.....

1. USA white racists: They are a bunch of morons, they are the most moronic white racists on the planet: They worship Hitler, at the same time they ignore historical facts, like Hitler teamed up with the Italians, many of whom are as dark as Mexicans or other Hispanic people.... and ofc the Japanese..... Like old school national socialism is about the purity of spirit not trivial bullshit like skin colour.......And they throw out Christian people because they happen to have an asian mom and for other trivial shit.... and after that they whine about being outnumbered and not having money for the movement retarded joke people

2. Dumb and easy to manipulate Hispanic people: To this day, here in Europe, and especially in countries like mine where Christianity is strong Hispanic people are not considered non-white or different at all.... This racism against hispanic people is totally American invention and it's a disgrace......For this the moronic white people are responsible and 3. the fake whites with beak who are always working to make the racial hostility worse and the hispanic people themselves, some of them have forgotten their great civilization and their Christian roots so they let themselves be enslaved mentally and by now they are capable of ignorant and moronic hate towards white people like some.... 4. afro racists: well at least they have a good excuse - slavery... But still


Actually the only people who handle this thing intelligently in the USA are the Asian people (there may be 1-2 exceptions ofc i'm generalizing here).... They don't make trouble, they don't get involved in racist hate crimes, racially motivated vandalism, prof trolling, etc etc ... They work hard and mind their own business.....