US Politics Thread

[britbox]

My gut reaction was “nothing“ because too often it seems that way. I think @Moxie answered well by citing the Constitution. While we differ in interpretations of certain sections, I’ve never known anyone (at least not personally) who has argued for its destruction.

But beyond that? Maybe nothing.

By far the most unity I’ve ever experienced was in the wake of 9/11. It was a short-lived feeling, but a kind of peacefulness amid the tragedy.

While Moxie is correct that we’re the proverbial melting pot, that very nature is so divisive. There is a level of identity-schizophrenia within the US. The person who wears an American flag T-shirt, is the same person who, when asked their nationality, will say they are English, or Irish, or Italian, or Eastern European, or whatever. They will *not* say they’re American, even though their grandparents were born here. We’re a country of non-American Americans.

That's an interesting observation about dual nationality - and I am one myself. There is a theory that you can't really have a lasting nation without shared culture, values, language and laws, i.e. a divided house will always fall. That's why I think the West is facing very troubling times. The populations of China and Russia seem from the outside far more cohesive.

I watched an interesting segment where an American celebrity was asked about being African-American and she responded that she was American and didn't want to differentiate on colour or creed. The interviewer seemed rather unhappy with her response. I can't remember her name, but found it quite interesting.

 

[tented]

I watched an interesting segment where an American celebrity was asked about being African-American and she responded that she was American and didn't want to differentiate on colour or creed. The interviewer seemed rather unhappy with her response. I can't remember her name, but found it quite interesting.

I have a friend whose heritage is Jamaican, and he’s very proud of it, and does not want to be called “African American“ either. Yes, he’s aware of the connections between Africa and Jamaica, but doesn’t want to be called “African” anyway.

 

[Kieran]

That's an interesting observation about dual nationality - and I am one myself. There is a theory that you can't really have a lasting nation without shared culture, values, language and laws, i.e. a divided house will always fall. That's why I think the West is facing very troubling times. The populations of China and Russia seem from the outside far more cohesive.

I watched an interesting segment where an American celebrity was asked about being African-American and she responded that she was American and didn't want to differentiate on colour or creed. The interviewer seemed rather unhappy with her response. I can't remember her name, but found it quite interesting.

I saw that, she caught flak but she’s correct. She’s American.

 

[Kieran]

I have a friend whose heritage is Jamaican, and he’s very proud of it, and does not want to be called “African American“ either. Yes, he’s aware of the connections between Africa and Jamaica, but doesn’t want to be called “African” anyway.

My friend Inaya from England is very good on this stuff, that black people aren’t a homogenous whole. Can catch her discuss this with Coleman Hughes on his YouTube. Two intelligent heterodox black people who dismiss strongly modern race politics, as opposed to the popular anti-intellectuals who run the show…

 

[britbox]

Here is an example of why the West is in grave danger.



This stuff should never have taken root... notice how the interviewer co-opts the Black and LGBT groups into her attack, and deflects any response on the basis of "expertise"... i.e. "how is this person qualified to discuss what books her children should be reading..." - qualified, as defined in repeating verbatim the shit presented in modern text books as "education".

This is delegation of authority and thinking to "approved" third parties. People worrying about facism coming in need to consider that it's here - approved "fact-checkers", banned books, striking political opponents off ballot papers, no equity in law. The Russian defector was pretty close with what he was saying... yet, as an optimist I don't think all is quite lost yet.

 

[Kieran]

Here is an example of why the West is in grave danger.



This stuff should never have taken root... notice how the interviewer co-opts the Black and LGBT groups into her attack, and deflects any response on the basis of "expertise"... i.e. "how is this person qualified to discuss what books her children should be reading..." - qualified, as defined in repeating verbatim the shit presented in modern text books as "education".

This is delegation of authority and thinking to "approved" third parties. People worrying about facism coming in need to consider that it's here - approved "fact-checkers", banned books, striking political opponents off ballot papers, no equity in law. The Russian defector was pretty close with what he was saying... yet, as an optimist I don't think all is quite lost yet.

Yeah, they’re not only symptoms of moral decay but examples of a deep rooted decline. “Morality” seems to be a four letter word now.

As for protecting kids, they’re actively grooming them, and fighting for the right to…

 

[Federberg]

That's an interesting observation about dual nationality - and I am one myself. There is a theory that you can't really have a lasting nation without shared culture, values, language and laws, i.e. a divided house will always fall. That's why I think the West is facing very troubling times. The populations of China and Russia seem from the outside far more cohesive.

I watched an interesting segment where an American celebrity was asked about being African-American and she responded that she was American and didn't want to differentiate on colour or creed. The interviewer seemed rather unhappy with her response. I can't remember her name, but found it quite interesting.

both Morgan Freeman and Floyd Mayweather have refused to accept being called African American in interviews. Both insist on just being called American. If loved it! I approve. This need to add sub-categorisations is one of the most divisive things imaginable. It blows my mind that the dummies who claim to want equality and peaceful co-existence invest so much time trying to find ways to divide society. And it blows my mind that those who support the philosophy in their virtue signalling don't stop and THINK about what they're doing

 

[Federberg]

so.. I've been watching the discussion about Biden being senile. I've made my views clear on this already so I'm not even going to waste my time refuting it. But... what about Trump? The dude mixes up Nikki Haley and Nancy Pelosi.... repeatedly! You're telling me he's fully functioning? What he's showing me is worse than any accusation regarding Biden!

 

[Kieran]

so.. I've been watching the discussion about Biden being senile. I've made my views clear on this already so I'm not even going to waste my time refuting it. But... what about Trump? The dude mixes up Nikki Haley and Nancy Pelosi.... repeatedly! You're telling me he's fully functioning? What he's showing me is worse than any accusation regarding Biden!

I think it’s just that when Trump isn’t talking about himself, he quickly loses interest!

 

[britbox]

One more point I’ll make: so as not to come across as a “Never Republican-er“ I have also told my father that during the Trump Administration I missed George W. — completely true! I would have taken him or any other Republican as President those four years — even Ted Cruz.

What did you miss about George W @tented?

 

[britbox]

both Morgan Freeman and Floyd Mayweather have refused to accept being called African American in interviews. Both insist on just being called American. If loved it! I approve. This need to add sub-categorisations is one of the most divisive things imaginable. It blows my mind that the dummies who claim to want equality and peaceful co-existence invest so much time trying to find ways to divide society. And it blows my mind that those who support the philosophy in their virtue signalling don't stop and THINK about what they're doing

Exactly. You can't build or even maintain a nation based on division. You can create short-term power if you control both sides, but that's a different principle than nation building. As Lenin said "If the people demand a hero, we will create them": aka controlled opposition...i.e. Nikki Haley. I'm not surprised Trump confused Haley with Pelosi... same shit, different dress.

 

[Moxie]

I think it’s just that when Trump isn’t talking about himself, he quickly loses interest!

It's true...you can tell when even he's not listening to himself anymore. I was imagining how he might have reacted when his mistake was pointed out to him, and all I could think he would say was, "Oh, who cares? What's the difference?" If he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue, he could certainly get away with mixing up two nasty women who irritate him, right?

 

[Kieran]

It's true...you can tell when even he's not listening to himself anymore. I was imagining how he might have reacted when his mistake was pointed out to him, and all I could think he would say was, "Oh, who cares? What's the difference?" If he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue, he could certainly get away with mixing up two nasty women who irritate him, right?

Don’t give him ideas about shooting the 2 of them..

 

[Federberg]

Exactly. You can't build or even maintain a nation based on division. You can create short-term power if you control both sides, but that's a different principle than nation building. As Lenin said "If the people demand a hero, we will create them": aka controlled opposition...i.e. Nikki Haley. I'm not surprised Trump confused Haley with Pelosi... same shit, different dress.

lol! So basically Trump can eat shit on tv and make chimpanzee sounds and somehow it's the deep state's fault? Come on man...

 

[britbox]

lol! So basically Trump can eat shit on tv and make chimpanzee sounds and somehow it's the deep state's fault? Come on man...

I must have missed that happening. Was it on MSNBC?

 

[Moxie]

so.. I've been watching the discussion about Biden being senile. I've made my views clear on this already so I'm not even going to waste my time refuting it. But... what about Trump? The dude mixes up Nikki Haley and Nancy Pelosi.... repeatedly! You're telling me he's fully functioning? What he's showing me is worse than any accusation regarding Biden!

I just read this: The Trump team's response is that both women's names begin with "N." That's all they got?

 

[britbox]

The irony is the complete and utter brainwashing. I swear that if these "parties" swapped policies then most of the same tribal people would support or excuse the same policies they thought were a bad idea to begin with, and support the reverse (if they were told to).

Let's take the "trans" issue for instance. 10 years ago, it wasn't an issue. We had what I'd call "leftists" in modern parlance pushing women's rights. Trans was never mentioned.... or even a thing... it was regarded as something that belonged with the mentally ill. Suddenly, these "feminists" can't describe what a woman acutally is. Not all of them... but certainly the politically minded. Where did this nonsense come from? Well, let's just say it was never organic...

 

[Kieran]

The irony is the complete and utter brainwashing. I swear that if these "parties" swapped policies then most of the same tribal people would support or excuse the same policies they thought were a bad idea to begin with, and support the reverse (if they were told to).

Let's take the "trans" issue for instance. 10 years ago, it wasn't an issue. We had what I'd call "leftists" in modern parlance pushing women's rights. Trans was never mentioned.... or even a thing... it was regarded as something that belonged with the mentally ill. Suddenly, these "feminists" can't describe what a woman acutally is. Not all of them... but certainly the politically minded. Where did this nonsense come from? Well, let's just say it was never organic...

Totally agree. None of this is issues based, it’s tribe herding. The only feminists I respect are the ones fighting against men in dresses. They’re the ones who recognise objective truth, which we all should know when we see it.

 

[britbox]

Totally agree. None of this is issues based, it’s tribe herding. The only feminists I respect are the ones fighting against men in dresses. They’re the ones who recognise objective truth, which we all should know when we see it.

Re-classified as TERFs. Women terrorised by these man-lumps/adrogynes masquerading as women. Not like anyone could see this coming and warned about it..but were shouted down. No backward steps on this issue, or humanity is cooked. A few years ago, myself, @Federberg and others saw the consequences of this in slow motion . It fell on deaf ears. Only males truly understand the male genome.

 

[Kieran]

Re-classified as TERFs. Women terrorised by these man-lumps/adrogynes masquerading as women. Not like anyone could see this coming and warned about it..but were shouted down. No backward steps on this issue, or humanity is cooked. A few years ago, myself, @Federberg and others saw the consequences of this in slow motion . It fell on deaf ears. Only males truly understand the male genome.

Yeah, I personally couldn’t vote for anyone who thinks the answer to the question “what is a woman” is anything other than “an adult biological female.” This tripe has to stop. You’re right in framing at as an existential ending. If a politician can’t recognise the difference between objective truth as opposed to vague personal subjective feelings, then they ought not be allowed near the legislation process, or the budget. They’re either insane, or dishonest. They’re definitely dangerous..