US Politics Thread

[Front242]

You’ve got to remember, the worst people are always ready. Hamas, Putin, tyrants, theocrats, they have nothing to lose and they don’t care about their own.

They have to be resisted. Thank God for America in that regard. As Leonard Cohen once said, be grateful for America because what comes after will be terrible.

Unfortunately that “terrible” is now also the left wing in America..,

I've got bad news for you but the US are far worse than Hamas and Putin. Maybe recall the weapons of mass destruction bs that caused so many unnecessary deaths? The US fucking love wars. Over 1 million dead Iraqis for fucking nothing. Obama ordered more drones to be dropped than ever before. Another warmongering pos. Hamas have killed barely any Israelis in comparison to the zionist Israeli scum butchering women and children in Gaza (current total is at least 25,490 mostly women and children dead) and all this is being funded by the US under Biden. Once again, all Ukraine had to do was promise never to join NATO (a good call since NATO are scum) and a peace deal was ready to be signed but, once again, the common denominator here was the good old US of A and Biden sending his puppet Boris Johnson over to Kyiv to tell Zelenskyy not to sign it. None of the death and destruction in Ukraine and Russia had to happen if not for Joe Biden. I can agree the left wing in America are terrible at least.

On the Republican side, Nikki Haley is another warmongering pos. The world will be (and was) a safer place under Trump. To be a Biden supporter means condoning pointless wars for financial greed and the death of huge numbers of innocent people.

 

[tented]

No I hadn’t heard of it, but that’s not saying much. I don’t read American newspapers, most of them are behind paywalls. But the fact that it’s not a talking point everywhere isn’t a surprise. It’s the nature of your news cycle. If I only watched CNN I’d believe you had “mainly peaceful” riots and destruction of cities, that George Floyd was a saint and Kauvanagh was a rapist, and that I’m killing granny if I ask a question about the vaccines, because words are violence.

So it doesn’t make it false that I haven’t heard of it. But do you think that if people hear about this in a widespread way and take it seriously, that Trump would win the election? There are definitely people on the right who hate America as it is, and they’d gleefully vote for him on this basis, but I think he’d lose a lot of his Republican base. The Time article is interesting but not catastrophic. Only 14% for instance would be more likely to vote for him due to the allegations against him relating to January 6th. That can be read many ways, in real time.

The worry is that the great division in America has fossilised to the extent that there’ll be a race on both sides to exclude opposition. But I think Trump is not the charismatic figure that will put paid to your democracy. The fact that he’s so divisive will ensure that there are record polls to stop him. I give Americans a lot of credit for how they commit to the vote.

Your constitution is also a tremendous document that’s difficult to slide by and create dictatorships.



I tend to agree, except for the last sentence, and I’d hoped that somebody would defeat Trump and the temperature would ramp down a notch, but he’ll be nominated. He’ll be defeated though.

As for the last sentence, what do you mean “everything else can be addressed?” The cultural Marxism? The blue haired Mengeles who are practicing social engineering, by experimenting on kids? This is institutional. The dangerous lies about gender which are casually accepted at the highest levels? The manufactured race riots? Cancel culture? All the wonderful innovations the left have brought us?

These are brought by the people on the left who hate America, and they’ve won almost every battle. You have a form of autocracy in your institutions already. A lack of diversity of ideas. Your universities are overwhelmingly leaning to the left and are both violent towards and in favour of banning anyone who disagrees with them. These Harvard and UPenn fifth columnists are only an example of your next generation of workforce, and they enter the workforce not as employees, but as activists.

You didn’t get Claudine Gay in a vacuum. You don’t have the staff of TED rising up and making demands because they’re having a terrible life. It happens because that’s the culture, and that’s what they’ve been taught. Trigger warnings on books and films, the DIE initiative on Nasdaq, the left aren’t going to “address” these things. This is big business now. Companies are queuing up to show that they’re allies. It’s the Hollywood-ification of thought. The wimp-ification of the west.

The far left don’t self reflect. We know that. The only time they’re aware that something is gone wrong is when they get eaten by their own, which is a moment of sweet smelling schadenfreude for the rest of us, but also a helpless moment where we know that only adult level legislation such as that which got rid of affirmative action can stop them.

Maybe post Trump you won’t have Biden in office treating deranged activists as victims, and both parties will settle into peaceful and cooperative coexistence, but it hardly looks likely…

Brother, I’ll say it only one final time so we can move on: for as many problems as both the left and the right have, they all mean nothing to me until I’m certain Trump will never be president again. He presents a unique set of very serious problems, which must be avoided. Once that’s done, I’ll think about everything else.

 

[Moxie]

Brother, I’ll say it only one more time: for as many problems as both the left and the right have, they all mean nothing to me until I’m certain Trump will never be president again. He presents a unique set of very serious problems, which must be avoided. Once that’s done, I’ll think about everything else.

I agree with you. Trump presents the greatest existential threat to the US.

 

[Moxie]

I wonder where you're going with all of these videos of Biden? 8-9 just since Saturday. tented and I are the only US voters posting on here at the moment, and we've both just said we'll vote against Trump, so what is your point? Why wallpaper this thread with "Biden is decrepit" videos? Who are you appealing to?

 

[Kieran]

Brother, I’ll say it only one final time so we can move on: for as many problems as both the left and the right have, they all mean nothing to me until I’m certain Trump will never be president again. He presents a unique set of very serious problems, which must be avoided. Once that’s done, I’ll think about everything else.

That’s fine brother, but don’t be surprised if the destruction of America, caused by the far left, is not addressed after Trump is defeated…

 

[Kieran]

I've got bad news for you but the US are far worse than Hamas and Putin. Maybe recall the weapons of mass destruction bs that caused so many unnecessary deaths? The US fucking love wars. Over 1 million dead Iraqis for fucking nothing. Obama ordered more drones to be dropped than ever before. Another warmongering pos. Hamas have killed barely any Israelis in comparison to the zionist Israeli scum butchering women and children in Gaza (current total is at least 25,490 mostly women and children dead) and all this is being funded by the US under Biden. Once again, all Ukraine had to do was promise never to join NATO (a good call since NATO are scum) and a peace deal was ready to be signed but, once again, the common denominator here was the good old US of A and Biden sending his puppet Boris Johnson over to Kyiv to tell Zelenskyy not to sign it. None of the death and destruction in Ukraine and Russia had to happen if not for Joe Biden. I can agree the left wing in America are terrible at least.

On the Republican side, Nikki Haley is another warmongering pos. The world will be (and was) a safer place under Trump. To be a Biden supporter means condoning pointless wars for financial greed and the death of huge numbers of innocent people.

You’re very dramatic. Maybe because you’re not thinking clearly. You ought to familiarise yourself with the Hamas charter of 1988 to understand things there more clearly. You’re funny enough choosing to side with people who wouldn’t even let you live, let alone speak, but you seem to have a taste for brutal tyrants.

From the comfort of your armchair in county Cork…

 

[Front242]

I wonder where you're going with all of these videos of Biden? 8-9 just since Saturday. tented and I are the only US voters posting on here at the moment, and we've both just said we'll vote against Trump, so what is your point? Why wallpaper this thread with "Biden is decrepit" videos? Who are you appealing to?

It's not about appealing to anyone but reinforcing the fact that he's senile 'cos you keep telling us he's competent. Most of the world can see he's not at least.

 

[Front242]

You’re very dramatic. Maybe because you’re not thinking clearly. You ought to familiarise yourself with the Hamas charter of 1988 to understand things there more clearly. You’re funny enough choosing to side with people who wouldn’t even let you live, let alone speak, but you seem to have a taste for brutal tyrants.

From the comfort of your armchair in county Cork…

Nothing dramatic at all about what I posted. Hamas are scum, yes, and I'm hardly siding with them but if people here seriously think Israel are justified in all this bloodshed they have serious issues. Little do the US and those supporting this genocide realize but this disgusting bombing campaign by Israel under US funding will only lead to more and more Palestinians signing up to Hamas to avenge family members who were butchered. We're all sitting at home here btw and not just me. That phrase people use so often makes no sense unless the person posting is on the frontline.

 

[Kieran]

Nothing dramatic at all about what I posted. Hamas are scum, yes, and I'm hardly siding with them but if people here seriously think Israel are justified in all this bloodshed they have serious issues. Little do the US and those supporting this genocide realize but this disgusting bombing campaign by Israel under US funding will only lead to more and more Palestinians signing up to Hamas to avenge family members who were butchered. We're all sitting at home here btw and not just me. That phrase people use so often makes no sense unless the person posting is on the frontline.

There’s no genocide.

But tell me how Israel can get rid of Hamas and there’d be no casualties?

By the way, would it help if Hamas returned the rest of the hostages, some of whom have most likely been raped by the noble freedom fighters? Or have you been afflicted by the same amnesia everyone seems to have, regarding them?

You should have known you were on the wrong side in this when the American left were out in force cheering for the death of Jews…

 

[Moxie]

That’s fine brother, but don’t be surprised if the destruction of America, caused by the far left, is not addressed after Trump is defeated…

Speaking of "dramatic..."

 

[Moxie]

It's not about appealing to anyone but reinforcing the fact that he's senile 'cos you keep telling us he's competent. Most of the world can see he's not at least.

Reinforcing to yourself? So you're telling me it's a one-sided pissing contest, I guess, since I'm not interested. All I said was that your video was misleading and why. I stopped watching them after that.

 

[Federberg]

If I were Trump, coming out of NH I would be a bit nervous. It seems clear Independents don't like Trump. And there's also a sub set of Never Trumpers that don't look like ever going back to him. Meanwhile Biden wins without even bothering to participate. All those talking about polling numbers and nervous Democrats. Not sure that aligns with what we're seeing when real voting takes place. It's been the same story since the mid-terms. You might call it the silent Biden voter theory...

 

[Kieran]

Speaking of "dramatic..."

And yet, name an institution that isn’t overrun by the far left? Your big universities are lost. Forget about them. They’re indoctrination centres. You have activists representing the Dems in Congress who think men can become pregnant. You have heterodox race speakers facing cancellation unless they pass a purity test. Children being abused by activists masquerading as therapists.

The deranged left are assaulting Jews, language, white people, men, women, children, you name it. Tell me one good thing they’ve done, and yet nasdaq and a load of multinationals are thinking, best to appease them, or else.

The alternative to that is, that these big businesses have gone woke to - soon to be broke. Your side are destroying America through brainless ID politics- the far left that is, it’s not everybody on the left..

 

[Moxie]

If I were Trump, coming out of NH I would be a bit nervous. It seems clear Independents don't like Trump. And there's also a sub set of Never Trumpers that don't look like ever going back to him. Meanwhile Biden wins without even bothering to participate. All those talking about polling numbers and nervous Democrats. Not sure that aligns with what we're seeing when real voting takes place. It's been the same story since the mid-terms. You might call it the silent Biden voter theory...

She didn't do as well as she'd hoped, but she came right out and gave a very good speech. Trump's apparently pissed off that she won't just drop out. Some Atlantic writer said today that Trump might agree to debate her just so he can yell at her.

Meanwhile, Biden didn't merely not participate in NH, he wasn't on the ballot, and won handily as purely a write-in candidate, which means Democrats turned out for a race that didn't matter (NH Democratic Primary) to actively write him in. That based on a very small, grass roots, not funded, write-in campaign. So, yeah, who has an enthusiasm gap with the people?

 

[Front242]

She didn't do as well as she'd hoped, but she came right out and gave a very good speech. Trump's apparently pissed off that she won't just drop out. Some Atlantic writer said today that Trump might agree to debate her just so he can yell at her.

Meanwhile, Biden didn't merely not participate in NH, he wasn't on the ballot, and won handily as purely a write-in candidate, which means Democrats turned out for a race that didn't matter (NH Democratic Primary) to actively write him in. That based on a very small, grass roots, not funded, write-in campaign. So, yeah, who has an enthusiasm gap with the people?

The so called democrats (so called because trying to get your main opposition jailed is hardly democratic as I correctly pointed out before) winning just means they'd rather vote for a decrepit, blabbering warmonger just 'cos they hate Trump. I doubt very much that all who vote for Biden condone the killing of innocent people but that's what voting for him entails which is pretty damn sad and disgusting. If it's a case of hating Trump and hating innocent people being killed then it's better not to vote than voting for Biden.

 

[Front242]

 

[Moxie]

The so called democrats (so called because trying to get your main opposition jailed is hardly democratic as I correctly pointed out before)

No, that's not correctly pointed out. As I have said to you before, which you never address: if you believe that Trump is being indicted by various judicial systems in several states, on various charges ONLY because Biden is controlling our judicial system, then you think we have no valid system of laws, and that we're a Banana Republic. @tented has given you a Republican group that actually would replace bureaucrats with ideologues. (If that is actually the ambition.) To replace non-political career bureaucrats with essentially a Politburo. That, my friend, is scary.

You comfortable with that? And I will say again, for the more sane on this thread: Biden doesn't control what independent judicial systems do, or even what the Federal justice system does. But it IS the ambition of the Republicans to change that, if they gain the Presidency back.

winning just means they'd rather vote for a decrepit, blabbering warmonger just 'cos they hate Trump. I doubt very much that all who vote for Biden condone the killing of innocent people but that's what voting for him entails which is pretty damn sad and disgusting. If it's a case of hating Trump and hating innocent people being killed then it's better not to vote than voting for Biden.

You've made it clear that you have an extremist bent, to the right. It's also clear that you don't really vet that well where your information comes from. If your sources of information are so unsubtle as to that our choices are "hating Trump and hating innocent people getting killed," I frankly can't take them seriously. The world is far more complicated than that, and no, it's never better not to vote.

 

[Moxie]

Former cab driver from NY, and, what, an influencer? I don't know who either are. Seriously? Aren't you scraping the bottle of the barrel now?

 

[Front242]

Former cab driver from NY, and, what, an influencer? I don't know who either are. Seriously? Aren't you scraping the bottle of the barrel now?

If you say so. It made the news so they're obviously not nobodies...

 

[Front242]

No, that's not correctly pointed out. As I have said to you before, which you never address: if you believe that Trump is being indicted by various judicial systems in several states, on various charges ONLY because Biden is controlling our judicial system, then you think we have no valid system of laws, and that we're a Banana Republic. @tented has given you a Republican group that actually would replace bureaucrats with ideologues. (If that is actually the ambition.) To replace non-political career bureaucrats with essentially a Politburo. That, my friend, is scary.

You comfortable with that? And I will say again, for the more sane on this thread: Biden doesn't control what independent judicial systems do, or even what the Federal justice system does. But it IS the ambition of the Republicans to change that, if they gain the Presidency back.

You've made it clear that you have an extremist bent, to the right. It's also clear that you don't really vet that well where your information comes from. If your sources of information are so unsubtle as to that our choices are "hating Trump and hating innocent people getting killed," I frankly can't take them seriously. The world is far more complicated than that, and no, it's never better not to vote.

Ah so being against tons of innocent people being killed makes me "bent to the right". Amazing insight there.

If that's how it goes, I'd rather be far right, than far wrong...

As for the scary part you alluded to, there's nothing scarier than supporting a bunch of left wing nutjobs who can't define what a woman is and groom kids about trans bs in school and tell them there are 862 genders. All this along with supporting the massacre of innocent people. I know which side is scarier to support. It's a no brainer and you really should take things seriously regarding the innocent people being killed because you're getting that and all the gender nonsense pushed by the left in this paragraph by voting for Biden. It's that simple.