US Politics Thread

[Moxie]

How a Right-Wing Troll Managed to Manipulate the Mainstream Media

When a milkshake to the face brought the spotlight on Andy Ngo, both sides of the aisle were happy to take on his cause: demonizing antifa.

www.rollingstone.com

The Gateway Pundit - Bias and Credibility

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[britbox]

How a Right-Wing Troll Managed to Manipulate the Mainstream Media

When a milkshake to the face brought the spotlight on Andy Ngo, both sides of the aisle were happy to take on his cause: demonizing antifa.

www.rollingstone.com

The Gateway Pundit - Bias and Credibility

QUESTIONABLE SOURCE A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no

mediabiasfactcheck.com

The irony of the reporting.



I never realized a simple milkshake could cause so much damage. Brain bleeds even.

 

[britbox]

This is what dumbass Michelle Obama (just like dumbass Federberg) just referred to as “peaceful protesting” - literally kicking someone in the head and raiding a Ronald McDonald house. Will Moxie have any “empathy” for this man kicked in the head or this 2-year-old cancer patient who was just robbed of his birthday celebration by the Antifa/Black Lives Matter cretins?





Two-Year-Old Cancer Patient Misses Birthday Celebration Due To Chicago Looters Targeting Ronald McDonald House
Published August 12, 2020 at 3:08pm

Two-Year-Old Cancer Patient Misses Birthday Celebration Due To Chicago Looters Targeting Ronald McDonald House | The Gateway Pundit | by Cassandra MacDonald

During the mass mayhem and looting in Chicago earlier this week, looters targeted the Ronald McDonald House, a charity that provides a place for families with sick children to stay close to hospitals.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

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Whoever wins the presidency in November has a mammoth task on their hands. America is showing off a septic wound to the world right now. Globally, within the Anglosphere, this isn't good. Outside of that sphere, I imagine the emotions range from a shrug of the shoulders to a celebration.

 

[britbox]

The Constitution Is Perfectly Clear About Citizenship

The persistence of birtherism is a depressing feature of our corrupt and hateful national dialogue.

www.theatlantic.com

The Birtherism stuff is a load of shit. Why people go off on this drivel is beyond me... Yes, including Trump on Obama. Most politicians have a mountain of work to rip to pieces without making stuff up. Trump also has a mountain of stuff to go after, yet people spend years pissing around with Russian conspiracy theories and making a mockery of democracy in the same breath.

 

[Federberg]

The Birtherism stuff is a load of shit. Why people go off on this drivel is beyond me... Yes, including Trump on Obama. Most politicians have a mountain of work to rip to pieces without making stuff up. Trump also has a mountain of stuff to go after, yet people spend years pissing around with Russian conspiracy theories and making a mockery of democracy in the same breath.

Russian conspiracy theories... Keep burying your head in the sand if you want. I won't...

Bipartisan Senate report details Trump campaign contacts with Russia in 2016, adding to Mueller findings

The Senate Intelligence Committee released Tuesday the most comprehensive and meticulous examination to date explaining how Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election and the Trump campaign welcomed the foreign adversary's help, revealing new information about contacts between Russian...

edition.cnn.com

 

[Moxie]

The Birtherism stuff is a load of shit. Why people go off on this drivel is beyond me... Yes, including Trump on Obama. Most politicians have a mountain of work to rip to pieces without making stuff up. Trump also has a mountain of stuff to go after, yet people spend years pissing around with Russian conspiracy theories and making a mockery of democracy in the same breath.

Do you really not see why Trump and his mouthpieces go on about birtherism? He focused on Obama for ages, and now that we got a Jamaican-Indian-American woman running for VP they start it again. It's a way of turning the suspicions about Black and brown people that some white people have of them into the kind of "other" some deeply feel they are. Look at how many people refused to believe that Obama was born in Hawaii. There aren't a huge lot of people that buy into that crap, but it continues to cynically sow seeds of division in this country with his base, and plays into white resentment that everything is a zero-sum game, and white Christians are getting left out, somehow.

You may not buy that Trump and his campaign colluded with the Russians, or willfully, but you really can't deny that they fiddle with our elections, and this Administration had no interest into looking into it, or to preventing it from happening again. So it probably will.

 

[britbox]

Russian conspiracy theories... Keep burying your head in the sand if you want. I won't...

Bipartisan Senate report details Trump campaign contacts with Russia in 2016, adding to Mueller findings

The Senate Intelligence Committee released Tuesday the most comprehensive and meticulous examination to date explaining how Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election and the Trump campaign welcomed the foreign adversary's help, revealing new information about contacts between Russian...

edition.cnn.com

Of course you won't mate. You've spent three years promoting a theory about collusion. As have CNN who wrote the article. I'm surprised you're still doubling down on this given that a lot of the source material from people like Steele has been proven to be fictitious.

 

[britbox]

Do you really not see why Trump and his mouthpieces go on about birtherism? He focused on Obama for ages, and now that we got a Jamaican-Indian-American woman running for VP they start it again. It's a way of turning the suspicions about Black and brown people that some white people have of them into the kind of "other" some deeply feel they are. Look at how many people refused to believe that Obama was born in Hawaii. There aren't a huge lot of people that buy into that crap, but it continues to cynically sow seeds of division in this country with his base, and plays into white resentment that everything is a zero-sum game, and white Christians are getting left out, somehow.

You may not buy that Trump and his campaign colluded with the Russians, or willfully, but you really can't deny that they fiddle with our elections, and this Administration had no interest into looking into it, or to preventing it from happening again. So it probably will.

Russians will likely try to interfere with elections in respect of influence. As will China and a bunch of other countries. It's Geopolitics 101. I'm not sure why Americans are shocked by this, given that the US interferes with elections and government around the globe at a much higher level.

 

[britbox]

Do you really not see why Trump and his mouthpieces go on about birtherism? He focused on Obama for ages, and now that we got a Jamaican-Indian-American woman running for VP they start it again. It's a way of turning the suspicions about Black and brown people that some white people have of them into the kind of "other" some deeply feel they are. Look at how many people refused to believe that Obama was born in Hawaii. There aren't a huge lot of people that buy into that crap, but it continues to cynically sow seeds of division in this country with his base, and plays into white resentment that everything is a zero-sum game, and white Christians are getting left out, somehow.

You may not buy that Trump and his campaign colluded with the Russians, or willfully, but you really can't deny that they fiddle with our elections, and this Administration had no interest into looking into it, or to preventing it from happening again. So it probably will.

Yes, the birtherism stuff is pathetic.

 

[Moxie]

Russians will likely try to interfere with elections in respect of influence. As will China and a bunch of other countries. It's Geopolitics 101. I'm not sure why Americans are shocked by this, given that the US interferes with elections and government around the globe at a much higher level.

The difference is the cyber influence in social media. The notion of it isn't new, but the methodology is, and it's much more insidious. Are you saying that, just because it's always been done that we shouldn't make efforts to stop it?

 

[Moxie]

Yes, the birtherism stuff is pathetic.

And racist.

 

[britbox]

Just to illustrate to everyone how much of a turd and non-scientist Fauci is, he apparently has been attacking the credibility of Dr. Harvey Risch of Yale for defending hydroxychloroquine. So much for credentials actually meaning something.

On the good news front, though, the White House finally hired the Stanford medical scientist Dr. Scott Atlas to its coronavirus task force. This happened far too late but it's about damn time they brought him in as a counterbalance to Fauci's buffoon act. Brianna Keilar of CNN attacked Atlas the other night. But again, so much for credentials actually meaning something.

And of course not a peep from Tinfoil Federturd about Risch's defense of HCQ. Federbergy went along with the establishment narrative about HCQ, even though most countries throughout the world had considerable success with it. Now this Yale doctor has been leading the charge in defense of hydroxychloroquine in the United States.


Hydroxychloroquine works in high-risk patients, and saying otherwise is dangerous
by Harvey Risch

| August 12, 2020 10:29 AM

Hydroxychloroquine works in high-risk patients, and saying otherwise is dangerous - Washington Examiner

As of Wednesday, some 165,000 people in the United States have died from COVID-19. I have made the case in the American Journal of Epidemiology and in Newsweek that people who have a medical need to be treated can be treated early and successfully with hydroxychloroquine, zinc, and antibiotics...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Critic of coronavirus lockdowns and school closures made adviser to President Trump
by Cassidy Morrison, Healthcare Reporter |

| August 10, 2020 07:58 PM

Critic of coronavirus lockdowns and school closures made adviser to President Trump - Washington Examiner

Dr. Scott Atlas, senior fellow at Stanford University Hoover Institution and an outspoken critic of coronavirus lockdowns, has joined the White House staff as an adviser to President Trump. A White House spokesperson confirmed to the Washington Examiner on Monday that Atlas is now an adviser to...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

The whole "listen to the science" rhetoric has been interesting to follow. It seems "listen to the science" means "listen to the scientists that align with my view".

Fauci's commentary on the Hydroxychloroquine narrative does have a "one doth protest too much" feel about it, and a lot of frontline physicians are using it with reportedly good results in many countries. Kind of strange that these narratives are getting censored.

It's also interesting that none of the articles referencing the research posted up on Lancet have been taken down (Fauci referenced it too). That data has since been proven to be false and taken down from Lancet.

This was an interesting letter.

Questions for Dr. Fauci - The American Spectator | USA News and PoliticsThe American Spectator | USA News and Politics

As you may be aware, health-care providers across the country and around the world have reported great success in using Hydroxychloroquine + Zinc + Azithromycin (the “HCQ cocktail”) to treat COVID-19. According to these physicians and researchers, the key to success...

spectator.org

I'm following this whole Hydroxychloroquine episode with a lot of interest.

 

[britbox]

The difference is the cyber influence in social media. The notion of it isn't new, but the methodology is, and it's much more insidious. Are you saying that, just because it's always been done that we shouldn't make efforts to stop it?

You can't stop it. Look up videos of bot farms. The notion that this is mainly done by Russians is also totally out of whack. Everyone is doing it. Not just countries but corporations and individuals... and probably the parties themselves. Anyone can create a Twitter bot.

 

[britbox]

By the way Moxie - if you think we're in a dangerous time now regarding information, imagine what it'll be like in five or ten years or so?

Remember that "fairly authentic" video of Obama making a speech doing the rounds a year or so ago? Except it wasn't really Obama.

AI technologies - including video and speech synthesis are accelerating at a rapid rate. I guess within a short time frame, you'll have the tools to create a visually authentic video of Trump (or anyone else) saying whatever you want him to say... and then have bots post it in a million and one places.

 

[britbox]

This is an example of a commercial click farm. This is actually pretty primitive. You could do a far more effective job with virtual machines on a bigger scale. Imagine what a government-sponsored bot farm would look like.

 

[britbox]

I'd also suggest watching the sessions at the World Economic Forum, particularly the technology-based ones, on how AI, Biotech, and Infotech will revolutionize the world. Some of it is exciting, a lot of it is frightening.

Watch this for starters (you might think it's boring at first, but it's fascinating).

World Economic Forum Annual Meeting Davos 2020

2020 theme: Stakeholders for a Cohesive and Sustainable World. The World Economic Forum Annual Meeting in Davos-Klosters is the foremost creative force for engaging the world's top leaders in collaborative activities to shape the global, regional and industry agendas at the beginning of each year.

www.weforum.org

I've read the book by the guy on right (21 Lessons for the 21st Century by Yuval Harari) - that's also a good read. You'll like it because there is a political dimension to it.

 

[Federberg]

Of course you won't mate. You've spent three years promoting a theory about collusion. As have CNN who wrote the article. I'm surprised you're still doubling down on this given that a lot of the source material from people like Steele has been proven to be fictitious.

It's fascinating this preoccupation you have with CNN. There is an actual bipartisan Senate Report, but you won't focus on that. Somehow a partisan Benghazi scandal has substance but something actually real you stick your head in the sand. Anyway I'm not going to convince you, nor will your Murdoch infected world view have any influence on me either. We both move on...

 

[britbox]

It's fascinating this preoccupation you have with CNN. There is an actual bipartisan Senate Report, but you won't focus on that. Somehow a partisan Benghazi scandal has substance but something actually real you stick your head in the sand. Anyway I'm not going to convince you, nor will your Murdoch infected world view have any influence on me either. We both move on...

Unpack the points and identify where Donald Trump colluded with Russia to win the election. That's what we're talking about right? You know it's not there.

As I've said time over, there is a lot of stuff to torch Trump over, yet the MSM and people still keep pursuing this line. $50+ million bucks and 3 years later... here we are. Yeah, let's move on.

 

[Federberg]

Unpack the points and identify where Donald Trump colluded with Russia to win the election. That's what we're talking about right? You know it's not there.

As I've said time over, there is a lot of stuff to torch Trump over, yet the MSM and people still keep pursuing this line. $50+ million bucks and 3 years later... here we are. Yeah, let's move on.

I have neither the time or the inclination to go down this route with you. What would be the point? Read the Mueller Report, and read the Senate Intelligence Report, which by the way showed more definitively where the points of cooperation were. If that doesn't satisfy you, and why would it given your biases, then I sure as fuck am not going to waste the effort

 

[britbox]

It's fascinating this preoccupation you have with CNN. There is an actual bipartisan Senate Report, but you won't focus on that. Somehow a partisan Benghazi scandal has substance but something actually real you stick your head in the sand. Anyway I'm not going to convince you, nor will your Murdoch infected world view have any influence on me either. We both move on...

It is not a preoccupation with CNN... it's disgust. If I want to watch right-wing narratives rather than news then Hannity is available on Fox. Left-Wing Trash - Maddow on MSNBC (following Fox's model for ratings). I take neither seriously. They just play to a base.

CNN was supposed to have been something a little more robust in it's reporting, yet we have clowns like Chris Cuomo and Don Lemon operating as ringmasters. At least Fox have the odd seasoned old-schooler like Chris Wallace asking a few awkward but perfectly reasonable questions.

US News as journalism rather than entertainment is usually trash.