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On the lighter side, this is just funny and rather shocking. At least a Jewish Museum made a good fund raiser out of it. Didn't tRump even watch Yosemite Sam as a kid?



I was actually at that museum of American Jewish history in Philly about two years ago. I noticed that it did not mention that the first two Jewish Senators in the USA (Judah Benjamin of Louisiana and David Yulee of Florida) were both Southerners who served in the Confederate government, and Benjamin actually served as the Secretary of State of the Confederacy. Why do you think that museum had no displays on these two prominent American Jews?
 

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Ignorance does seem to find its own level. Enough said.
 

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Ignorance does seem to find its own level. Enough said.


Yeah, you display it constantly with your posts on politics, and that is why numerous people are leaving your dumbass party, such as this lady in Seattle:


"I voted Democrat based on the assumption that party wanted to help"

 

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So Kamala (whose name Biden hilariously mispronounced when introducing her as his VP pick) apparently ran on being “Indian-American” when she was campaigning for the Senate. But now she says she is “African-American.” So which is it? Does she even know?

Here is the perspective of an actual African-American woman and not another fake like Kammy Harris or Angela “White Girl” Rye:


 

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Harris was born in Berkeley, CA and is a US citizen. I don't remember any Republicans having a problem with Ted Cruz running for President, and he was actually born in Canada, and should have, therefore, been ineligible.


Lol.....goodness fucking gracious. This shows how little you know about right-wing American politics and how little exposure you have even to the most mainstream right-wing sources. Cruz’s birthplace was a HUGE issue in 2016. I remember vividly how much it was discussed. Many people brought it up for weeks. Way to expose your ignorance of the most basic facts. The Newsweek editorial article below mentioned that this was an issue discussed in the case of not just Cruz, but also scumbag and eternal turd John McCain. See below......

As for the Kamala Harris argument itself, no one is saying that she isn’t a citizen. The Newsweek article by Dr. John Eastman (which is being defended by the editorial article below) argued that Harris was born to two people who were not even permanent residents of the United States at the time she was born, meaning they were not yet “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States. Now you can disagree with this understanding of the 14th Amendment, but why do you have to be so lazy? Can’t you at least be honest about the argument being made?


Editor's Note: Eastman's Newsweek Column Has Nothing to Do With Racist Birtherism
NANCY COOPER AND JOSH HAMMER
ON 8/13/20 AT 12:31 AM EDT

 
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It's not a point of discussion, Ted Cruz's eligibility for the Presidency. It's a raw fact: he was born outside of the US and was ineligible. No amount of arguing it makes it different. What? Canada doesn't count? Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, and after it became a state. Kamala Harris was born in California. And even though it's a fine-point, John McCain was born in Panama, in the Canal Zone. Just imagine if he hadn't been Republican and white.
 
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Amazing to think about what Trump is doing to USPS. This is impeachable, but obviously not a practical solution. He really believes he'll lose. If the Dems are smart they need to start spending money on ads highlighting the damage to civil society that will result from this. Delayed receipt of medication. What about people with relatives in hospital that they can't communicate with without mail. I'm sure there are many more powerful examples they can use. They should even find people who are being directly impacted by this to make their own comments. It's a lay up if they do this right
 

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Amazing to think about what Trump is doing to USPS. This is impeachable, but obviously not a practical solution. He really believes he'll lose. If the Dems are smart they need to start spending money on ads highlighting the damage to civil society that will result from this. Delayed receipt of medication. What about people with relatives in hospital that they can't communicate with without mail. I'm sure there are many more powerful examples they can use. They should even find people who are being directly impacted by this to make their own comments. It's a lay up if they do this right
Defunding the USPS isn't just about people not getting their meds, it's also about people not getting their social security checks. The main people who rely on the USPS are exactly those who don't have access to the internet. Also, where Fedex and UPS don't deliver, USPS takes up the slack for them. Because the USPS delivers everywhere. It's a famous anecdote, but someone from the USPS takes a mule down into the Grand Canyon to deliver mail.

The USPS offers many government jobs, with pensions, which helps fund the middle-class. But one of the reasons it's running at a deficit is that because in 2006, the Republican-led Congress passed a law forcing it to prepay its pensions for 75 years, which no other corporation does. This changed its money making model. Left alone, the USPS was capable of paying for itself.

I agree with you that Trump is trying to dismantle the USPS so that mail-in balloting can't work this year, during a pandemic, when people might not want to go to the polls, in person. Even though mail-in/absentee balloting has worked perfectly fine. Even Trump himself votes via mail-in. It's a last-ditch effort at making his eventual loss look contestable.
 

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It's not a point of discussion, Ted Cruz's eligibility for the Presidency. It's a raw fact: he was born outside of the US and was ineligible. No amount of arguing it makes it different. What? Canada doesn't count? Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, and after it became a state. Kamala Harris was born in California. And even though it's a fine-point, John McCain was born in Panama, in the Canal Zone. Just imagine if he hadn't been Republican and white.



You are still too fucking lazy to look at Eastman’s argument. He never denied that Harris was born in the United States. Did you even read his article or is your attention span too low for that? Eastman argued in his Newsweek piece that her parents were not yet permanent residents. How the fuck do you not understand the difference?

And we have already established that you are absolutely incompetent at understanding American black society and that every idea you believe in has failed for black communities in the last 50 years, so don’t use this ridiculous language about being “Republican and white.” White leftists like yourself are the number one enemy of black people in the USA and are a major reason why lifelong black Democrats such as Vernon Jones and Leo Terrell are leaving the Democratic Party to vote for Trump in 2020.

And I love how you just dodged the point about your cluelessness over the debates about Cruz’s eligibility. You went from saying that no Republicans brought it up (which they did) to then simply saying Cruz was ineligible - an argument that you would undoubtedly call racist if it targeted a candidate you liked.
 
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I agree with you that Trump is trying to dismantle the USPS so that mail-in balloting can't work this year, during a pandemic, when people might not want to go to the polls, in person. Even though mail-in/absentee balloting has worked perfectly fine. Even Trump himself votes via mail-in.


Perfect example of how Democratic voters are low-information participants in the political process. Trump and the Republicans have repeatedly distinguished between absentee ballots on the one hand and mail-in ballots on the other. But then low-information Democrats such as Moxie think that absentee and mail-in ballots are the same. Well they’re not. Absentee ballots require a rigorous process for making sure people provide adequate identification. The same is not the case for mail-in ballots, which are vulnerable to an immense amount of fraud as the recent election in New York has demonstrated.

Of course, the Democrats want mail-in ballots so they can cheat. So it is kind of pointless to argue against them when it is clear what their intentions are.


Massive Mail-In Voter Fraud Identified in New Jersey — Democrats Caught Harvesting Ballots in Bundles, Refuse to Step Down from Office
Published June 29, 2020 at 9:29am


 

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Of course no one on this thread said a peep about Trump’s feat in brokering a deal between Israel and the UAE. Moxie is too much of a Democratic Party hack to utter a complimentary word about Trump, even though if Obama did anything like this she would be praising him for heroically and benevolently bringing people together. Isn’t it funny how Trump has been a president of peace, while Obama made a series of decisions that set the Middle East on fire?








 

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You are still too fucking lazy to look at Eastman’s argument. He never denied that Harris was born in the United States. Did you even read his article or is your attention span too low for that? Eastman argued in his Newsweek piece that her parents were not yet permanent residents. How the fuck do you not understand the difference?

It doesn't matter what the argument is. Harris is born in the US, and there are no fine points. Full stop.
And I love how you just dodged the point about your cluelessness over the debates about Cruz’s eligibility. You went from saying that no Republicans brought it up (which they did) to then simply saying Cruz was ineligible - an argument that you would undoubtedly call racist if it targeted a candidate you liked.

Again, there is no argument that is plausible. Cruz was ineligible for the presidency, as he was born in Canada. There is nothing racist about it. What is racist is muddying the waters on Obama and Harris, who are both US-born, and yet the Republicans and Trump try to make the case for their "otherness," and put it out there that their citizenship and eligibility for office is in question. And I don't care how many Republicans you think might have raised the question on Cruz. They still let him sit there in debates, and no one kicked him out. Don't tell me there's no double-standard at work there.
 
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Notice how Tinfoil Federturd, AntiPushyWhush, and Moxie did not say a peep about this news from yesterday. Yes, all of the deceit, fraud, and corruption with respect to the Russia investigation was on the side of the Democrats, the bureaucracies (FBI, CIA, DOJ), and establishment Republicans; it was not on Trump's side.

This is only the tip of the iceberg. The Horowitz report revealed this information about Kevin Clinesmith, so this comes as no surprise:


Kevin Clinesmith, Corrupt FBI Attorney Who Falsified Carter Page FISA Warrant, Expected To Plead Guilty

Kevin Clinesmith, a former top lawyer in James Comey's FBI, is expected to plead guilty on Friday to falsifying a federal spy warrant against Carter Page.
August 14, 2020 By Sean Davis

 
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Just to illustrate to everyone how much of a turd and non-scientist Fauci is, he apparently has been attacking the credibility of Dr. Harvey Risch of Yale for defending hydroxychloroquine. So much for credentials actually meaning something.

On the good news front, though, the White House finally hired the Stanford medical scientist Dr. Scott Atlas to its coronavirus task force. This happened far too late but it's about damn time they brought him in as a counterbalance to Fauci's buffoon act. Brianna Keilar of CNN attacked Atlas the other night. But again, so much for credentials actually meaning something.

And of course not a peep from Tinfoil Federturd about Risch's defense of HCQ. Federbergy went along with the establishment narrative about HCQ, even though most countries throughout the world had considerable success with it. Now this Yale doctor has been leading the charge in defense of hydroxychloroquine in the United States.


Hydroxychloroquine works in high-risk patients, and saying otherwise is dangerous
by Harvey Risch

| August 12, 2020 10:29 AM



Critic of coronavirus lockdowns and school closures made adviser to President Trump
by Cassidy Morrison, Healthcare Reporter |

| August 10, 2020 07:58 PM

 

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It doesn't matter what the argument is. Harris is born in the US, and there are no fine points. Full stop.

Lol.....before laying down an ultimate verdict, Judge Moxie, can't you at least listen to the case? You haven't even looked at Eastman's article, nor do you have the intellectual curiosity or disposition to do so. Instead, you just dismissively make the philistine declaration that "there are no fine points." Welp, so much for legal debates. We should just toss all of them out the window for good and go along with Moxie's retarded prejudices, such as slobbering over homosexuals and highly privileged mixed-race descendants of slaveowners who titillate her sensibilities. The cosmopolitan pretense of the Democratic Party today is one of the most comical farces in human history. What you have are a bunch of almost entirely monolingual and deeply philistine people pretending to be cosmopolitan because of their passive-aggressive contempt for white Christian identity.

Now let's look at Eastman's actual article:

"Article II of the Constitution specifies that “[n]o person except a natural born citizen…shall be eligible to the office of President.” Her father was (and is) a Jamaican national, her mother was from India, and neither was a naturalized U.S. citizen at the time of Harris’ birth in 1964."

And then he goes on.....

"The language of Article II is that one must be a natural-born citizen. The original Constitution did not define citizenship, but the 14th Amendment does—and it provides that “all persons born…in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens.” Those who claim that birth alone is sufficient overlook the second phrase. The person must also be “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States, and that meant subject to the complete jurisdiction, not merely a partial jurisdiction such as that which applies to anyone temporarily sojourning in the United States (whether lawfully or unlawfully)…"

So you saying that Harris was born in the United States and there are no fine points "full stop" does not address this very serious argument about the 14th Amendment, which clearly uses the phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" in addition to "all persons born...in the United States." If the people who wrote the 14th Amendment actually believed anyone born in U.S. territory under any circumstance was automatically a citizen, they would not have thrown in the phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof."

Of course, you are only defending Harris because you absolutely love her highly emotive and highly prejudiced schtick of not caring about "fine points" of logic or reason (which shows here), but instead just venting, with no filter or self-control, whatever prejudice is fashionable at the moment among the Democratic Party, whether it's "believe all women" (until Tara Reade) or "let the Mueller investigation play out" (until it falls like a dud on the pavement). You also know that this argument cuts to the heart of the illegal immigration debate, and you obviously don't want a serious legal conversation about the 14th Amendment, because that would reveal how ridiculous it is to argue that anyone born in the U.S. is automatically a citizen. Everything for you is fundamentally a power play and a power grab for the left. That is why you love the Voting Rights Act, mail-in balloting, and giving the right to vote to illegal immigrants, teenagers, and convicted felons. The more that politically apathetic and ignorant people vote, and the more fraud there is, the more power your side gets.

What is racist is muddying the waters on Obama and Harris, who are both US-born, and yet the Republicans and Trump try to make the case for their "otherness," and put it out there that their citizenship and eligibility for office is in question.

I guess this is why Indian-American Nikki Haley is a celebrity Republican in fucking South Carolina of all places, right? How many times can you possibly type something that demonstrates total ignorance of the American right?

And Eastman's argument is not about the "otherness" of Obama and Harris. He is making a serious legal argument about the 14th Amendment, which you are demonstrating a completely philistine and irrational attitude toward. If you want to talk about the problem of xenophobia, then look at the mirror and reflect on how your party indulged in the most irrational and baseless conspiracy theory about a foreign country (Russia) for over 3 years. That was xenophobia in action if there ever was such a thing.

Finally, if I may ask: why does the party of reparations-for-slavery always nominate privileged mixed-race people of slaveowner descent instead of pure black descendants of actual slaves, who the party purports to care about more than anyone in the world (except homosexuals, whose sacred victim status can no longer be eclipsed by that of any other group)?
 
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Will Mrs. Empathy condemn the white male Democratic mayor of her city (who she likely voted for) for showing a total lack of empathy for this struggling non-white New York City business manager? I’ll hold my breath on that one.....that’s as likely as her crediting Trump for brokering a deal between Israel and the UAE that Obama isn’t creative or crafty enough to pull off:


 

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This is what dumbass Michelle Obama (just like dumbass Federberg) just referred to as “peaceful protesting” - literally kicking someone in the head and raiding a Ronald McDonald house. Will Moxie have any “empathy” for this man kicked in the head or this 2-year-old cancer patient who was just robbed of his birthday celebration by the Antifa/Black Lives Matter cretins?





Two-Year-Old Cancer Patient Misses Birthday Celebration Due To Chicago Looters Targeting Ronald McDonald House
Published August 12, 2020 at 3:08pm


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