US Politics Thread

[Federberg]

Could be, but personally I think it's more ego-investment. He just doesn't want to have been wrong about it.

I would have thought that, but this thing died down. He could have quietly moved on to the next thing. He brought it back. It really makes you wonder. I think this is beyond ego...

 

[Moxie]

I would have thought that, but this thing died down. He could have quietly moved on to the next thing. He brought it back. It really makes you wonder. I think this is beyond ego...

The Daily Beast thinks it has the answer, but it seems a bit flimsy to me. Does Trump really have a lot in his mutual funds? You'd know better than I if this is meaninful.

The Times reports the president’s family trusts all have investments in a mutual fund whose largest holding is Sanofi, the manufacturer of Plaquenil, the brand-name version of hydroxychloroquine.

 

[Federberg]

The Daily Beast thinks it has the answer, but it seems a bit flimsy to me. Does Trump really have a lot in his mutual funds? You'd know better than I if this is meaninful.

The Times reports the president’s family trusts all have investments in a mutual fund whose largest holding is Sanofi, the manufacturer of Plaquenil, the brand-name version of hydroxychloroquine.

we all know that I don't believe the guy is a billionaire, but.... I can believe something like this. Although I do agree it feels a bit flimsy to me. I would think some sort of direct benefit - specifically to him - would be more in line with who I think this guy is. My speculation of course

 

[calitennis127]

Am I the only one who finds Trumps insistence on promoting hydroxychloroquine a bit suspicious?

No, there has been speculation about this for weeks. It is entirely baseless when you actually look into what Trump's investment holdings are (as many people have).

I have to ask...despite push back from the medical research community what's he getting out of this?

Lol.....he is not getting push back from the "medical research community" - as if that's some monolithic religious body akin to the scholars in Saudi Arabia. He is getting pushback from the Democratic Party media, which does not want to see him proven right. The problem for them is that so many doctors have spoken well of hydroxychloroquine and endorsed it. Of course the left-wing media are covering up that reality and keeping their ignorant readers in the dark about it. The problem with the Democratic media (which Moxie blindly follows) is that they have a very parochial and America-centric understanding of the world as though everything is simply about what white Democrats think. For all their pretense of having affinity for other cultures and societies, they know precious little about them. The likes of Moxie could really use some exposure to what people in other countries and other places are saying (see the first story below).

I could cite dozens of stories, but I'll just keep it pithy and settle for two. Why are the New York Times and Washington Post keeping their adoring parochial American readers in the dark about this reality? Why are they hiding the truth?


Hydroxychloroquine rated 'most effective therapy' by doctors for coronavirus: Global survey

Drug known for treating malaria used by U.S. doctors mostly for high-risk COVID-19 patients

Thursday, April 2, 2020

An international poll of more than 6,000 doctors released Thursday found that the antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine was the most highly rated treatment for the novel coronavirus.

The survey conducted by Sermo, a global health care polling company, of 6,227 physicians in 30 countries found that 37% of those treating COVID-19 patients rated hydroxychloroquine as the “most effective therapy” from a list of 15 options.

Hydroxychloroquine rated ‘most effective therapy’ by doctors for coronavirus: Global survey

An international poll of more than 6,000 doctors released Thursday found that the antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine was the most highly rated treatment for the novel coronavirus.

www.washingtontimes.com

80 Patients and Staff Members Come Down with Coronavirus at Texas Nursing Home – 39 of 39 Saved by Hydroxychloroquine Treatment

80 Patients and Staff Members Come Down with Coronavirus at Texas Nursing Home - 39 of 39 Saved by Hydroxychloroquine Treatment

Never forget that Dr. Fauci and the liberal media continues to cast doubt on this widely successful treatment for coronavirus. A nursing home in Texas has a hopeful story for those suffering with coronavirus. The Resort at Texas nursing home had an outbreak of coronavirus that infected 56...

www.thegatewaypundit.com

 

[calitennis127]

This whole thing really is being exposed as a scam at this point.....it's quite amusing. It truly is a superstition ("covidophobia") more than anything about science. It is very important to encourage people to stop being so covidophobic for the good of our society and for the good of the world.

END THE LOCKDOWN: Pennsylvania Has More COVID-19 Deaths Over Age 100 than Under Age 45
May 20, 2020

END THE LOCKDOWN: Pennsylvania Has More COVID-19 Deaths Over Age 100 than Under Age 45

Although the mainstream liberal media continues to lie spread rumors about the Coronavirus pandemic the truth is still getting out. Back on March 15, 2020, The Gateway Pundit reported on the coronavirus death rates in Italy. The Italian government released numbers on the coronavirus in mid...

www.thegatewaypundit.com

 

[Moxie]

I recommend this piece. The Financial Times is rated politically neutral. This consolidates Trump's performance over the last few months:

Inside Trump’s coronavirus meltdown | Free to read

What went wrong in the president’s first real crisis — and what does it mean for the US?

www.ft.com

 

[Federberg]

I recommend this piece. The Financial Times is rated politically neutral. This consolidates Trump's performance over the last few months:

Inside Trump’s coronavirus meltdown | Free to read

What went wrong in the president’s first real crisis — and what does it mean for the US?

www.ft.com

This quote is striking....



“America is first in the world in deaths, first in the world in infections and we stand out as an emblem of global incompetence. The damage to America’s influence and reputation will be very hard to undo.”

 

[calitennis127]

I recommend this piece. The Financial Times is rated politically neutral. This consolidates Trump's performance over the last few months:

It doesn't consolidate anything, except every standard media criticism of Trump during this crisis that has repeatedly been debunked by right-wing media that you never consult. And all that does is make you feel confident and reinforced in your silly positions.

For you to suggest that this article is "politically neutral" is beyond preposterous. It cited George Conway of all people as a respectable commentator on these issues. If you think that constitutes neutrality, you are simply dumb and misinformed. More and more it seems to me that Moxie's mental processes are inhibited by a sort of prophylactic. I think a good nickname for her would be "Condomhead Moxie." She can begin to think and make an attempt at going through a full logical analysis, but she can never finish it completely.

The article is absolutely terrible. Just terrible. All it does is regurgitate clichés while omitting dozens and dozens of facts that undercut its narrative.

Among the numerous problems with this pitifully sophomoric article are:

1) That it never mentions that in mid-April Saint Fauci directly said in the White House briefing room that every time he and Dr. Birx have made a recommendation, the president has followed it. I have posted the clip on this board numerous times of him saying that, but Moxie herself is impervious to any facts that contradict an anti-Trump narrative and refuses to acknowledge that Fauci said that.

2) That it places ZERO blame for the deaths in blue states on the political leadership in those areas. Why? Because they are Democrats. And the solution therefore is to blame Republicans and blame Trump. That is the standard Democratic Party playbook: blame every mistake and failure in their own areas on Republicans who have nothing to do with it.

3) That it makes no mention of how Governor Meatball of New York made the unbelievably and indescribably stupid decision to send COVID patients INTO nursing homes. I am astounded by the stupidity of that as I type.

4) It never mentions that Trump imposed his travel ban on China during the stupid impeachment trial (when his mind could have understandably been completely locked in on that issue) and he did so IN DEFIANCE of Fauci.

5) The article never mentions the numerous times that Fauci himself in late February and early March made remarks to the effect that the coronavirus was not all that serious.

The article omits those points and much more. It was absolutely terrible. That has to go down as one of your worst posts ever, Mrs. Condomhead Moxie.

 

[calitennis127]

This quote is striking....



“America is first in the world in deaths, first in the world in infections and we stand out as an emblem of global incompetence. The damage to America’s influence and reputation will be very hard to undo.”

America is "first in the world in infections" because it has tested more effectively and more widely (and more unnecessarily) than any other country in the world. The deaths counts are highly questionable, to say the least, and in the areas where deaths are highest the Democratic leaders are mostly to blame for their utter stupidity and incompetence.

Cuomo's decision to send COVID patients into New York nursing homes had absolutely nothing to do with Trump, who actually supplied Cuomo with empty beds at the navy ship and Javits Center that mostly went unused. Trump can't control whether every governor is competent. Some are (like DeSantis in Florida), and some are not (like Cuomo in New York). But presidents don't appoint governors so you can't blame Trump for New York voters being low-information dumbasses who elect some idiot like Cuomo to high office. They have the right to vote and if they elevate morons like Cuomo, that's on them.

 

[calitennis127]

It will be amusing to see the jubilation in many quarters (particularly the US media) when the U.S. death count officially hits 100,000.....there may as well be balloons going into the sky when that number is finally reached. Of course, it will be far below the 2.2 million number from the Imperial College study that was used by Fauci and Birx to justify the irrational and unscientific lockdowns, and it will also be amusing to see self-imagined "rebels" not even slightly question the official U.S. government statistics. As I have been saying for weeks, the CDC instructions on how to report COVID deaths clearly invites fraud, and we are seeing that start to be exposed by states reducing their COVID death counts (see below).

Of course, by the time the truth of how much fraud is actually taking place in the reporting of these deaths comes out, no one will care anymore - just like they don't care about how absurd and wrong the accusations of Russian collusion were.

And yet again, let me point to these clear instructions from the CDC on how to falsify death certificates:

"In cases where a definite diagnosis of COVID–19 cannot be made, but it is suspected or likely (e.g., the circumstances are compelling within a reasonable degree of certainty), it is acceptable to report COVID–19 on a death certificate as "probable" or "presumed." In these instances, certifiers should use their best clinical judgement in determining if a COVID–19 infection was likely."

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf



Colorado Admits to Over-Counting Coronavirus Deaths – Lowers Number by 272 Deaths

Colorado Admits to Over-Counting Coronavirus Deaths - Lowers Number by 272 Deaths! | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hoft

Last week Dr.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

Pa. removes more than 200 deaths from official coronavirus count as questions mount about reporting process, data accuracy

Pa. removes more than 200 deaths from official coronavirus count as questions mount about reporting process, data accuracy

The past five days have been a roller coaster of confusion involving the state health department, marred by retracted statements, reporting lags, and angry coroners.

www.inquirer.com

 

[calitennis127]

It's funny to see the likes of Federberg refer to the "medical community" when discussing the possible use of hydroxychloroquine (an issue which he of course mischaracterizes). For some reason, I did not notice him bringing up this recent letter to Trump signed by over 600 doctors:

'Mass casualty incident': Over 600 doctors sign letter warning Trump of dangers of continued lockdowns

‘Mass casualty incident’: Over 600 doctors sign letter warning Trump of dangers of continued lockdowns - Washington Examiner

More than 600 doctors signed a letter urging President Trump to end the nationwide coronavirus shutdowns and referred to orders issued by states that keep businesses closed as a “mass casualty incident” with devastating consequences. The letter points out the negative consequences that doctors...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

 

[Federberg]

It's funny to see the likes of Federberg refer to the "medical community" when discussing the possible use of hydroxychloroquine (an issue which he of course mischaracterizes). For some reason, I did not notice him bringing up this recent letter to Trump signed by over 600 doctors:

'Mass casualty incident': Over 600 doctors sign letter warning Trump of dangers of continued lockdowns

‘Mass casualty incident’: Over 600 doctors sign letter warning Trump of dangers of continued lockdowns - Washington Examiner

More than 600 doctors signed a letter urging President Trump to end the nationwide coronavirus shutdowns and referred to orders issued by states that keep businesses closed as a “mass casualty incident” with devastating consequences. The letter points out the negative consequences that doctors...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

funny? You're the only one laughing I guess

 

[Moxie]

It doesn't consolidate anything, except every standard media criticism of Trump during this crisis that has repeatedly been debunked by right-wing media that you never consult. And all that does is make you feel confident and reinforced in your silly positions.

For you to suggest that this article is "politically neutral" is beyond preposterous. It cited George Conway of all people as a respectable commentator on these issues. If you think that constitutes neutrality, you are simply dumb and misinformed. More and more it seems to me that Moxie's mental processes are inhibited by a sort of prophylactic. I think a good nickname for her would be "Condomhead Moxie." She can begin to think and make an attempt at going through a full logical analysis, but she can never finish it completely.

The article is absolutely terrible. Just terrible. All it does is regurgitate clichés while omitting dozens and dozens of facts that undercut its narrative.

Among the numerous problems with this pitifully sophomoric article are:

1) That it never mentions that in mid-April Saint Fauci directly said in the White House briefing room that every time he and Dr. Birx have made a recommendation, the president has followed it. I have posted the clip on this board numerous times of him saying that, but Moxie herself is impervious to any facts that contradict an anti-Trump narrative and refuses to acknowledge that Fauci said that.

2) That it places ZERO blame for the deaths in blue states on the political leadership in those areas. Why? Because they are Democrats. And the solution therefore is to blame Republicans and blame Trump. That is the standard Democratic Party playbook: blame every mistake and failure in their own areas on Republicans who have nothing to do with it.

3) That it makes no mention of how Governor Meatball of New York made the unbelievably and indescribably stupid decision to send COVID patients INTO nursing homes. I am astounded by the stupidity of that as I type.

4) It never mentions that Trump imposed his travel ban on China during the stupid impeachment trial (when his mind could have understandably been completely locked in on that issue) and he did so IN DEFIANCE of Fauci.

5) The article never mentions the numerous times that Fauci himself in late February and early March made remarks to the effect that the coronavirus was not all that serious.

The article omits those points and much more. It was absolutely terrible. That has to go down as one of your worst posts ever, Mrs. Condomhead Moxie.

Please read what you wrote above and make any sense of it. I didn't make any claims about the neutrality of the article I posted, only that the Financial Times is rate "neutral." Then you suggested that I should consult more "right-wing" media. Why? Because that would be more "balanced?" Of course the right wing media would have a different take, but if you're going to complain about my "left-wing media," it doesn't really get balanced by the right. Look to neutral sources. You may not like what the FT had to say, but they are graded as fair.

It didn't cite George Conway as a commentator of any kind. It only mentioned that he was a lawyer and the husband of KellyAnne Conway. You either willfully or erroneously misstated that .

What the article fails to mention, according to you, are right-wing talking points. What it does spell out, chapter and verse, is rather damning on Trump. You may not like it, but it's from a neutral source.

 

[calitennis127]

What the article fails to mention, according to you, are right-wing talking points.

I don't care what you call facts, but facts are facts. If they are adopted as "talking points" by someone, then so be it. Is it merely a "right-wing talking point" that Fauci said on NBC on February 29th that no one needs to change their lifestyle yet? Is it merely a "right-wing talking point" that Fauci said on March 8th that people don't need to wear masks and that they provide a false sense of security? It it merely a "right-wing talking point" that Fauci said on March 9th that most people are fine to go on cruises?

It is simply impossible, based on easily verifiable information, to simultaneously worship Fauci and condemn Trump - which is exactly what the dumbass Democratic Party is doing. Fauci all the way through mid-March was taking a chill approach toward the coronavirus, and he has said that Trump was responsive at every turn to the recommendations of him and Birx.

What it does spell out, chapter and verse, is rather damning on Trump. You may not like it, but it's from a neutral source.

That is not a neutral source, lol. For you to insist that it is simply makes you sound stupid. And that article is only damning of Trump if you are unaware of huge parts of the timeline or unwilling to acknowledge them. It's a mixture of both for you. You do not, for example, want to acknowledge how many times Fauci has said EXACTLY the kind of things you condemn Trump for either saying or supposedly thinking.

 

[Moxie]

Financial Times - Bias and Credibility

LEAST BIASED These sources have minimal bias and use very few loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or

mediabiasfactcheck.com

 

[calitennis127]

funny? You're the only one laughing I guess

Yes, it is funny that you think the "medical community" is equivalent to the anti-science propaganda machine of the Democratic Party or the latest whimsical remark of Anthony Fauci. There are thousands of accomplished and highly respected doctors who do not agree with the lockdowns and who support the use of hydroxychloroquine to treat coronavirus patients.

I'm sorry that you don't know anything about that, shithead.

 

[calitennis127]

Financial Times - Bias and Credibility

LEAST BIASED These sources have minimal bias and use very few loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or

mediabiasfactcheck.com

So what? The piece you sent was a standard opinion piece. It could have easily been published by the New York Times or The Atlantic. It regurgitated all of the same Democratic Party talking points while glibly glossing over everything Fauci or Democratic leaders said about the coronavirus in February and early March.

But since you are so insistent on citing The Financial Times right now, then let me share this piece from the summer of 2018 published by that very outlet about how the Chinese leadership class views Trump as a strategic genius. Will you be as fond of citing The Financial Times after reading this? I highly doubt it.



The Chinese are wary of Donald Trump’s creative destruction
The president is the first US leader in decades to challenge China on multiple fronts

Mark Leonard JULY 24 2018

Donald Trump is leading a double life. In the west, most foreign policy experts see him as reckless, unpredictable and self-defeating. But though many in Asia dislike him as much as the Europeans do, they see him as a more substantial figure. I have just spent a week in Beijing talking to officials and intellectuals, many of whom are awed by his skill as a strategist and tactician.

My interlocutors say that Mr Trump is the US first president for more than 40 years to bash China on three fronts simultaneously: trade, military and ideology. They describe him as a master tactician, focusing on one issue at a time, and extracting as many concessions as he can. They speak of the skilful way Mr Trump has treated President Xi Jinping. “Look at how he handled North Korea,” one says. “He got Xi Jinping to agree to UN sanctions [half a dozen] times, creating an economic stranglehold on the country. China almost turned North Korea into a sworn enemy of the country.” But they also see him as a strategist, willing to declare a truce in each area when there are no more concessions to be had, and then start again with a new front.

The Chinese are wary of Donald Trump’s creative destruction

The president is the first US leader in decades to challenge China on multiple fronts

www.ft.com

 

[Moxie]

So what? The piece you sent was a standard opinion piece. It could have easily been published by the New York Times or The Atlantic. It regurgitated all of the same Democratic Party talking points while glibly glossing over everything Fauci or Democratic leaders said about the coronavirus in February and early March.

Stop distracting from the point at hand. Just because you don't like what they said doesn't mean you can change their editorial POV in general. Just because you don't like it, suddenly they're the same as NYT and the Atlantic, or just a mouthpiece for the Democratic party? And then you quote them, anyway. Pretty soon you'll be left with nothing but your far right echo chambers. You never address the points when you're called up short. Deflection doesn't help your argument. You couldn't face a fact if it bit you on the nose. Hell, even Mitch McConnell admitted to being wrong on Fox News about Obama having left behind a pandemic plan, (which the Trump administration ignored and then decimated.)

 

[Murat Baslamisli]

All this moron has to do is shut up and let people think he is qualified for the job and he got this in the bag but no...He has to talk. This is one of the most racist shit I have heard in a while but it will of course not even be mentioned by the leftists. Because with them, everything is political. If you are gay but have conservative views, you are just a dude who likes to fuck other dudes. If you are black but have conservative views, you are Oreo (black on the outside, white on the inside)...Just ask Larry Elder.

Biden: 'If you have a problem figuring out whether you're for me or Trump, then you ain't black'

Joe Biden said he "shouldn't have been such a wise guy" on Friday hours after he told a popular African American radio host that anyone struggling to decide whether to support him or President Donald Trump in the general election "ain't black."

www.cnn.com

 

[Federberg]

All this moron has to do is shut up and let people think he is qualified for the job and he got this in the bag but no...He has to talk. This is one of the most racist shit I have heard in a while but it will of course not even be mentioned by the leftists. Because with them, everything is political. If you are gay but have conservative views, you are just a dude who likes to fuck other dudes. If you are black but have conservative views, you are Oreo (black on the outside, white on the inside)...Just ask Larry Elder.

Biden: 'If you have a problem figuring out whether you're for me or Trump, then you ain't black'

Joe Biden said he "shouldn't have been such a wise guy" on Friday hours after he told a popular African American radio host that anyone struggling to decide whether to support him or President Donald Trump in the general election "ain't black."

www.cnn.com

It's truly one of the dumbest things I've ever heard come out of a politicians mouth. I wouldn't call it racist, just... dumb. Reeaaallly dumb! It's going to be interesting to see if he can recover from this