US Politics Thread

[britbox]

Seems you implied it by saying that things will be different in 3 months. This isn’t Mueller or Ukraine this actually affects people. Not so easy to forget. Try to characterise me as a Democrat if it makes you feel better All I’ve said is that it’s going to be incredibly tough for Trump. You’re the one mocking Bidens chances. Great projecting

The point on the three months is that the virus death tolls aren't going away any time soon. Trump is stuck between a rock and a hard place.

Once the virus numbers start subsiding, then the entire focus will shift to economic recovery.

Trump's electioneering will be based on:

a) He was responsible for a booming economy before the virus, and the best choice to help recover it.
b) Everything negative can be blamed on China, border controls, etc.
c) Character assassination of Joe Biden

Now it doesn't matter whether you agree with any of those, that's how it will play out.

It doesn't necessarily translate to a Trump will win, but given the opponent, the Democratic Party made Trump's task far easier than it should have been. A credible candidate could probably have walked this blindfold. Joe Biden is a gift to the GOP.

 

[Jelenafan]

Did I say that? No.

The election will be about recovery and the messaging behind it. On a personal level, Biden will be trashed as a candidate.

Echo-chamber democrats have consistently mocked Trump's chances at every turn. You never learn.

Personally I think both candidates are flawed and can be picked apart at will.

Of course Trump can still win, I'm just looking at the numbers.

Let's look at the 8 swing states at play and their electoral votes:

11 Arizona
10 Wisconsin
16 Michigan
15 North Carolina
18 Ohio
38 Texas
29 Florida
20 Pennsylvania

IF I counted right that is 157 Electoral Votes

I wasn't flippant when I asked if all the HRC voting states would vote for Biden. That's almost a given even if Biden was in the morgue. So you have 8 swing states that Trump took in 2016 for his 304-227 win. You need 270 to win. So Biden has to take 43 more votes than Hillary in that pool of 157. In all those states Biden is leading except for North Carolina and there in the latest polls he's trailing by less than half a percentage point.

Can Trump do a thorough job of making the election about Biden, perhaps, but it certainly looks at this point that Biden is as competitive as any other Candidate would be versus Trump. The last 3 elected incumbent Presidents to lose (Herbert Hoover, Jimmy Carter, and George H Bush) had one thing in common, an ailing economy.

I was simply responding to your inference that it's a given Trump re-election due to Biden's flaws. You seem to think any other number of candidate would easily trounce Trump which means you acknowledge the POTUS is also flawed and a very divisive character himself.

 

[britbox]

Personally I think both candidates are flawed and can be picked apart at will.

Of course Trump can still win, I'm just looking at the numbers.

Let's look at the 8 swing states at play and their electoral votes:

11 Arizona
10 Wisconsin
16 Michigan
15 North Carolina
18 Ohio
38 Texas
29 Florida
20 Pennsylvania

IF I counted right that is 157 Electoral Votes

I wasn't flippant when I asked if all the HRC voting states would vote for Biden. That's almost a given even if Biden was in the morgue. So you have 8 swing states that Trump took in 2016 for his 304-227 win. You need 270 to win. So Biden has to take 43 more votes than Hillary in that pool of 157. In all those states Biden is leading except for North Carolina and there in the latest polls he's trailing by less than half a percentage point.

Can Trump do a thorough job of making the election about Biden, perhaps, but it certainly looks at this point that Biden is as competitive as any other Candidate would be versus Trump. The last 3 elected incumbent Presidents to lose (Herbert Hoover, Jimmy Carter, and George H Bush) had one thing in common, an ailing economy.

I was simply responding to your inference that it's a given Trump re-election due to Biden's flaws.

Biden's tucked away like Norman Bates' mother in the basement right now. It's probably helpful to the Democratic Party at this point.

In three months' time, everyone will be looking aghast at the fallout from the virus. I disagree with Federberg that it will just be a referendum on Trump. For many, it will be a referendum on who is the better pick for an economic recovery. Trump is a used car salesman... he can sell.

 

[Jelenafan]

Biden's tucked away like Norman Bates' mother in the basement right now. It's probably helpful to the Democratic Party at this point.

In three months' time, everyone will be looking aghast at the fallout from the virus. I disagree with Federberg that it will just be a referendum on Trump. For many, it will be a referendum on who is the better pick for an economic recovery. Trump is a used car salesman... he can sell.

Oh I don't disagree with you, however, now the POTUS will be in the position of defending his record and the economy and articulating his strategy to revive the country. Add to that there will be even more genuine interest to the healthcare system of the country , with millions more people unemployed and uninsured. All I'm saying is it's just as foolhardy to think the election dynamics will be a repeat of 2016, where Trump was, I agree, underestimated the whole campaign.

Swing state voters will hold their nose regardless of what candidate they pick.

 

[Moxie]

Biden's tucked away like Norman Bates' mother in the basement right now. It's probably helpful to the Democratic Party at this point.

In three months' time, everyone will be looking aghast at the fallout from the virus. I disagree with Federberg that it will just be a referendum on Trump. For many, it will be a referendum on who is the better pick for an economic recovery. Trump is a used car salesman... he can sell.

People are already looking aghast at the fallout. The incumbent has the edge, generally. But as Jelenafan said, one thing that one-term presidents have in common is a crap economy. Of course Biden is staying out of the way and letting Trump do damage to himself. One thing I think you underestimate about Biden as a candidate, and why the Dem machine got behind him, is that he appeals to the middle-ground. As x-number of people go off Trump, and they clearly are, with Biden they have a safer landing space than they might have had with Sanders or Warren.

 

[Federberg]

couldn't agree with this more.... NYT at it again. SJW BS....

 

[the AntiPusher]

couldn't agree with this more.... NYT at it again. SJW BS....

This one is Gonna be snuffed out pretty soon without much flicker for a flame. The Obama team did a deep background check on Biden when he was a potential VP candidate to be his running mate. Yes , Fox news and the right wing sonasbitches will try to make this an real issue .

 

[the AntiPusher]

People are already looking aghast at the fallout. The incumbent has the edge, generally. But as Jelenafan said, one thing that one-term presidents have in common is a crap economy. Of course Biden is staying out of the way and letting Trump do damage to himself. One thing I think you underestimate about Biden as a candidate, and why the Dem machine got behind him, is that he appeals to the middle-ground. As x-number of people go off Trump, and they clearly are, with Biden they have a safer landing space than they might have had with Sanders or Warren.

Moxie ..I defer to you on this question..Why are Federerberg and BB so down on Biden. I disagree that Sanders or Warren would have been a better challenger against Trump

 

[Jelenafan]

People are already looking aghast at the fallout. The incumbent has the edge, generally. But as Jelenafan said, one thing that one-term presidents have in common is a crap economy. Of course Biden is staying out of the way and letting Trump do damage to himself. One thing I think you underestimate about Biden as a candidate, and why the Dem machine got behind him, is that he appeals to the middle-ground. As x-number of people go off Trump, and they clearly are, with Biden they have a safer landing space than they might have had with Sanders or Warren.

Again numbers:

From the swing states if Biden wins Pennsylvania, Wisconsin & Michigan that puts him over the top. 3 states with 46 electoral votes. The COVID19 is going to impede mass attended whistle stop 24/7 road campaigning. Biden appeals to the white blue collar voters in this 3 stateS, so they can saturate ads and media there, and prop him up in his basement and let him show empathy for America’s plight and say he’s a healer. It’s not rocket science, and it’s not like Biden is this incredibly polarizing figure. What others criticize him for, that he’s a Centrist kind of guy isn’t going to hurt him in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin & Michigan.

 

[Federberg]

Moxie ..I defer to you on this question..Why are Federerberg and BB so down on Biden. I disagree that Sanders or Warren would have been a better challenger against Trump

I don't think he's a great campaigner. He didn't impress me much in the debates. That said I don't think that matters much versus Trump. I would characterise my view as it could have been someone else! But here's the thing... I'm not sure America is ready for a smart politician right now. If you're smart and on the left you're viewed in a certain way. For that reason Joe may well be the man for the moment. This election is not going to be like any other. It'll be a much shorter campaign and it's unlikely that there'll be as many of the rallies Trump likes, but it's also less likely that Biden will get a chance to do his retail politics either. It's all new. My guess is that it benefits Biden more. Trump has a certain way he goes about the business of campaigning. If he can't do his usual schtick who knows how the electorate will take it? But going back to Biden... he worries me. Some of his performances and slips have been so bad that you actually get nervous watching him, hoping he doesn't lay a turd on tv..

 

[Moxie]

Again numbers:

From the swing states if Biden wins Pennsylvania, Wisconsin & Michigan that puts him over the top. 3 states with 46 electoral votes. The COVID19 is going to impede mass attended whistle stop 24/7 road campaigning. Biden appeals to the white blue collar voters in this 3 stateS, so they can saturate ads and media there, and prop him up in his basement and let him show empathy for America’s plight and say he’s a healer. It’s not rocket science, and it’s not like Biden is this incredibly polarizing figure. What others criticize him for, that he’s a Centrist kind of guy isn’t going to hurt him in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin & Michigan.

And don't forget that Biden hails from Scranton, PA, originally.

 

[the AntiPusher]

I don't think he's a great campaigner. He didn't impress me much in the debates. That said I don't think that matters much versus Trump. I would characterise my view as it could have been someone else! But here's the thing... I'm not sure America is ready for a smart politician right now. If you're smart and on the left you're viewed in a certain way. For that reason Joe may well be the man for the moment. This election is not going to be like any other. It'll be a much shorter campaign and it's unlikely that there'll be as many of the rallies Trump likes, but it's also less likely that Biden will get a chance to do his retail politics either. It's all new. My guess is that it benefits Biden more. Trump has a certain way he goes about the business of campaigning. If he can't do his usual schtick who knows how the electorate will take it? But going back to Biden... he worries me. Some of his performances and slips have been so bad that you actually get nervous watching him, hoping he doesn't lay a turd on tv..

Thanks for the post Federerberg..Joe ran a smart campaign and he is going to win both the electoral college and the popular vote..This pandemic unfortunately it has been an enormous negative impact on millions of people around the world may turn out to be the one Thing that Trump's team cannot overcome with his lies and broken promises. Just as you said, Biden doesn't have to do anything but be calm as Trump's administration comes apart daily.

 

[calitennis127]

Now You have went from the sublime to the total ridiculous..You KNOW DAMN WELL WHAT HAPPENED in 2016..Come on..if we are gonna have a discussion let's be transparent 100 percent otherwise this is Just Right vs Left

AntiPusher, why do you persist in being so misinformed? Why do you have to be as clueless as, for example, Moxie when she can't even blame Cuomo for the idiotic move of sending elderly COVID patients back into nursing homes instead of the Comfort ship or the Javits Center?

Regarding Russia, I hope you take the time to look at the 57 transcripts from the House Intel Committee testimonies that were just released. They show how much of a Schiff-following cult you and other Democrats have been a part of in recent years. Among the many revealing quotes, here is one from Shawn Henry, the CEO of Crowdstrike, the company hired by the DNC to inspect its server to find supposed Russian hacking:

"As it relates to the DNC, we have indicators that data was exfiltrated. We did not have concrete evidence." - Shawn Henry, Crowdstrike CEO in House Intel Committee closed-door testimony

In other words, there was never any evidence that Russia hacked the DNC server and gave Hillary's emails to Wikileaks. None.

Schiff knew there was no evidence but he lied to the media for years and suckers like you, Moxie, and Federberg fell for it.

 

[calitennis127]

MORE PROOF THAT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS A CULT.....

It's funny.....I'm away from this board for two days and I come back and there is ZERO mention of the incredibly damning 57 House Intel Committee transcripts from 2017 that Schiff was just forced to release. They definitively show that a) the Democrats have been a Schiff-following cult for the last three years, and b) the rank-and-file of the Democratic Party are low-information sapheads who will believe anything that their media sources tell them. The Russian collusion accusations were a complete and total fabrication. Nothing to them.

Everything that Federberg accuses others of when it comes to conspiracy theories he was guilty of. He peddled the biggest one of them all and was completely misled and duped by CNN. Maybe that will make him consider whether he should trust them anymore.

This is what leading Obama administration officials told the House Intel Committee behind closed doors in 2017 when asked if they knew of evidence of Russian collusion:

Jim Clapper on July 17, 2017: "I never saw any direct empirical evidence that the Trump campaign or someone in it was plotting or conspiring with the Russians to meddle with the election."

Samantha Power (former UN Amabassador) on October 13, 2017: "I am not in possession of anything - I am not in possession and didn't read or absorb information that came from out of the intelligence community."

Susan Rice (Obama's National Security Adviser) on September 8, 2017: "I don't recall intelligence that I would consider evidence."

Loretta Lynch (one of Obama's Attorneys General) and Evelyn Farkas (a Defense Department official during the Obama administration) also testified that they had no evidence of collusion.

In other words, leading lights of the Democratic Party - including Clapper, Power, Rice, Lynch, and Farkas - all testified under oath to the House Intel Committee in 2017 that they had no evidence of collusion. Yet Adam Schiff told everyone repeatedly in both 2018 and 2019 that he had solid evidence of collusion, despite what all of those people had said to his face behind closed doors.

Schiff lied through his teeth about Russian collusion, and the media as well as the rank-and-file of the Democratic Party fell for it. That is because it is a cult.

 

[the AntiPusher]

AntiPusher, why do you persist in being so misinformed? Why do you have to be as clueless as, for example, Moxie when she can't even blame Cuomo for the idiotic move of sending elderly COVID patients back into nursing homes instead of the Comfort ship or the Javits Center?

Regarding Russia, I hope you take the time to look at the 57 transcripts from the House Intel Committee testimonies that were just released. They show how much of a Schiff-following cult you and other Democrats have been a part of in recent years. Among the many revealing quotes, here is one from Shawn Henry, the CEO of Crowdstrike, the company hired by the DNC to inspect its server to find supposed Russian hacking:

"As it relates to the DNC, we have indicators that data was exfiltrated. We did not have concrete evidence." - Shawn Henry, Crowdstrike CEO in House Intel Committee closed-door testimony

In other words, there was never any evidence that Russia hacked the DNC server and gave Hillary's emails to Wikileaks. None.

Schiff knew there was no evidence but he lied to the media for years and suckers like you, Moxie, and Federberg fell for it.

Maybe that's why I have you. To educate the uneducated in Right Wing propanda

 

[calitennis127]

Maybe that's why I have you. To educate the uneducated in Right Wing propanda

Perhaps so, but the quotes above come straight from the House Intel Committee transcripts. They are the words of leading Democratic Party officials, all stating under oath in 2017 behind closed-doors that they had no evidence of collusion. Yet the USA was under psychological lockdown over Russian collusion for almost three years. It was all a hoax. Adam Schiff duped the media and the rest of the Democratic Party cult into believing it was true.

 

[calitennis127]

 

[calitennis127]

COVID doctors challenge CDC's rules on cause of death, concerned about inflated numbers
Doctors are doing their own research in hopes of getting more accurate information

May 8, 2020 - 9:59pm

COVID doctors challenge CDC's rules on cause of death, concerned about inflated numbers

Doctors are doing their own research in hopes of getting more accurate information

justthenews.com

 

[calitennis127]

Georgia doing just fine after ending its lockdown. Props to the governor there for standing firm against the irrational hysteria directed at him.

 

[calitennis127]

These shutdowns are becoming more comical by the day. It's actually entertaining. Look at the clown Fauci on March 8th, 2020.....

When Dr. Fauci said people should not be wearing masks