US Politics Thread

[calitennis127]

And why has your pussy ass not addressed the fact that your orange god sacked him... for lying? dumbass

He clearly fired him because of the media blitz from CNN vultures like yourself that demonized Flynn on a false premise - the false premise being that Flynn had done something wrong. Trump was clearly conflicted at the time but Flynn's plea (which we now know was coerced and not genuine) created terrible PR for the administration. He couldn't keep Flynn on board after he pled guilty to a crime.

But the problem for you is that we now know Flynn pled guilty for reasons other than a sincere admission of guilt. He was protecting his son and was not aware that the FBI agents originally did not think he was lying because his original defense team did not inform him.

Like I said, you really need to get up to speed on some of these details.....you are living in 2017. You need to get in your time capsule and come back to the present.

 

[calitennis127]

He pled guilty to lying. He was fired for lying.

He pled guilty to lying to protect his son. It was a coerced plea. It was not a sincere admission of guilt. Flynn was fired on a false premise. You have also been operating on that false premise about Flynn this entire time, and with the evidence being more and more overwhelming you are seeing the reality but simply don't want to admit how wrong you were.

Nice and brief, for your short-attention-span mind, right from the Flynn Declaration of 01/29/2020:

4. On December 1, 2017 (reiterated on December 18, 2018), I pled guilty to lying to agents of the FBI.

5. I am innocent of this crime, and I request to withdraw my plea.

9. …..When FBI agents came to the White House on January 24, 2017, I did not lie to them. I believed I was honest with them to the best of my recollection at the time.

 

[Federberg]

^Get over it mate. I don't need to repeat myself. You can't turn back time. Facts are facts. But here's something for you...

 

[calitennis127]

^Get over it mate. I don't need to repeat myself. You can't turn back time. Facts are facts.

Yes, they are. And you were totally wrong. Flynn did not plead guilty because he was actually guilty. He pled guilty for other reasons. And he was clearly framed. The FBI was about to close the investigation into Flynn in early January 2017 because they hadn't found anything on him but the knave Peter Strzok kept it going in order to get him fired.

House Intel report: McCabe said agents who interviewed Flynn 'didn’t think he was lying'

05/04/18

House Intel report: McCabe said agents who interviewed Flynn ‘didn’t think he was lying’

thehill.com

 

[Federberg]

Yes, they are. And you were totally wrong. Flynn did not plead guilty because he was actually guilty. He pled guilty for other reasons. And he was clearly framed. The FBI was about to close the investigation into Flynn in early January 2017 because they hadn't found anything on him but the knave Peter Strzok kept it going in order to get him fired.

House Intel report: McCabe said agents who interviewed Flynn 'didn’t think he was lying'

05/04/18

House Intel report: McCabe said agents who interviewed Flynn ‘didn’t think he was lying’

thehill.com

you can make all the excuses you want. You can get all the right wing propaganda and dump it here. He lied. He got fired for it. Move on. You should know by now you're not changing my mind on this

 

[Moxie]

No, what I am saying is that this testimonial is one piece to the puzzle of understanding what is going on - just as Cuomo's idiotic directive to New York nursing homes that they must accept COVID patients is one piece to the puzzle. Trump provided New York with the Comfort ship and had the Javits Center converted to a hospital. Both facilities were hardly used. Cuomo could have sent the elderly COVID patients there instead of back into the nursing homes where the vulnerable populations were. COVID is not that bad, except for people who are very old.

Notice how much better Florida has done with a Republican governor than New York has. Florida has a huge elderly population of retirees, and DeSantis aggressively defended them and made sure that COVID patients were not transported into nursing homes. The result is that Florida has done a far superior job to Democrat-run New York at handling the pandemic and keeping cases low.

What is the puzzle you're trying to put together? It seems to me that it's a blame game. Part of what you're using is unverifiable, and I would argue somewhat pointless, youtube videos. You also keep mentioning the Comfort ship that Trump sent to NYC, as if it's all you've got. The notion that Trump had to approve the Javits Center to be converted to a hospital is, as far as I can tell, a false notion. It is a state-run facility. Only Cuomo needed to approve that. What you've been trying to do for pages is say how the Democratic leadership in NY has done such a poor job here, thereby deflecting blame from The Donald. We shall see about FL, I guess, but seriously, what is the puzzle? You've already negated testing as part of it. Finger-pointing is a pretty useless exercise, compared to trying to get people back to work, and testing is going to be part of that.

 

[the AntiPusher]

you can make all the excuses you want. You can get all the right wing propaganda and dump it here. He lied. He got fired for it. Move on. You should know by now you're not changing my mind on this

It's a shame that Cali is so much more well versed on US right wing politics than Federberg, Moxie and myself. Maybe we should try to find a way to provide some sort of monetary compensation to Cali for all of his unsolicited advice.

 

[Moxie]

He clearly fired him because of the media blitz from CNN vultures like yourself that demonized Flynn on a false premise - the false premise being that Flynn had done something wrong. Trump was clearly conflicted at the time but Flynn's plea (which we now know was coerced and not genuine) created terrible PR for the administration. He couldn't keep Flynn on board after he pled guilty to a crime.

But the problem for you is that we now know Flynn pled guilty for reasons other than a sincere admission of guilt. He was protecting his son and was not aware that the FBI agents originally did not think he was lying because his original defense team did not inform him.

Like I said, you really need to get up to speed on some of these details.....you are living in 2017. You need to get in your time capsule and come back to the present.

When has Trump ever been "conflicted?" That would ascribe too much self-examination to him. Nor when has he ever been pressured by CNN? Flynn did plead guilty.

 

[calitennis127]

Wow, look at how much better Florida has handled the coronavirus than New York, despite there being a huge elderly population in Florida. It's clearly because Florida has a Republican governor who is competent, while New York is run by a Democrat as incompetent as Federberg, AntiPusher, and Moxie.

Props to DeSantis in Florida for following science and rationality! Great job, DeSantis!

(Also, The Hill is a much better source of info than CNN - just a little tip for you Federberg. You have potential and I want you to learn. I want to mentor your growth.)

Florida emerges as bright spot in COVID-19 fight
05/07/20

Florida emerges as bright spot in COVID-19 fight

ORLANDO, Fla. — Florida has reported 37,439 positive coronavirus cases and 1,471 deaths, ranking it eighth in the U.S. for the number of confirmed cases despite being the nation’s third most popula…

thehill.com

 

[the AntiPusher]

Wow, look at how much better Florida has handled the coronavirus than New York, despite there being a huge elderly population in Florida. It's clearly because Florida has a Republican governor who is competent, while New York is run by a Democrat as incompetent as Federberg, AntiPusher, and Moxie.

Props to DeSantis in Florida for following science and rationality! Great job, DeSantis!

(Also, The Hill is a much better source of info than CNN - just a little tip for you Federberg. You have potential and I want you to learn. I want to mentor your growth.)

Florida emerges as bright spot in COVID-19 fight
05/07/20

Florida emerges as bright spot in COVID-19 fight

ORLANDO, Fla. — Florida has reported 37,439 positive coronavirus cases and 1,471 deaths, ranking it eighth in the U.S. for the number of confirmed cases despite being the nation’s third most popula…

thehill.com

You know what. I hope that you and your right wing higher intelligent people are correct. This is the one time I hope Gov Trump's Boy is ahead of the curve. Bravo Cali and thanks for the update

 

[calitennis127]

you can make all the excuses you want. You can get all the right wing propaganda and dump it here. He lied.

No, he didn't lie to the FBI, as he said in his January 29th declaration. The only time he lied was to the court - when he plead guilty to lying to the FBI. That was his only lie, and he told it because of exorbitant legal fees and to protect his son who the criminal Special Counsel Office was threatening to go after.

He got fired for it. Move on. You should know by now you're not changing my mind on this

Perhaps, because you don't care about facts, or rationality, or information. The FBI notes released last week showed that one senior official wrote this before the January 24th, 2017 ambush interview of Flynn: "What is our goal here? Truth/admission or to get him to lie, so we can prosecute him or get him fired?" In other words, they were clearly trying to frame him with a perjury trap.

The information also broke last week that the FBI was about to close the investigation into Flynn in early January 2017 due to lack of evidence over Russia collusion, but Peter Strzok kept it going because he wanted to frame Flynn and get him fired.

Sorry that you were so wrong about this. But you should try opening your mind to what is obvious to any rational adult at this point.

Oh, and btw.....the case was just dropped. Sorry that you were so wrong about this.

Justice Department is dropping criminal case against ex-Trump adviser Flynn, according to court filing obtained by AP

Justice Department is dropping criminal case against ex-Trump adviser Flynn, according to court filing obtained by AP

WASHINGTON (AP) — Justice Department is dropping criminal case against ex-Trump adviser Flynn, according to court filing obtained by AP.

apnews.com

 

[calitennis127]

When has Trump ever been "conflicted?" That would ascribe too much self-examination to him.

In your obtuse, one-dimensional, highly simplified, highly bigoted understanding of reality, yes. But Trump clearly weighs all sides of issues before he acts - which is why, for example, he didn't pull the trigger on attacking Iran last summer when his advisers were telling him to retaliate. Trump actually told reporters that he didn't think a military strike was "proportionate" to what the Irainians had done, so he held off.

But of course you are too much of a one-sided anti-Trump bigot to ever acknowledge that or give him credit for it, just as BwokenWooWace is too much of a bigot to give Trump credit for not intervening in the Middle East.

Nor when has he ever been pressured by CNN?

Every day of his administration. The media are a de facto branch of government at this point. They control what the majority of the plebeians see and think in our society, mostly through the information flow on people's cell phones. Look at the hold they have on your mind, for example.

Flynn did plead guilty.

Because of exorbitant legal fees and to protect his son, not because he was actually guilty. Go and read his declaration. You don't have to be so relentlessly clueless or intellectually lazy.

Oh, and btw, his case was just dropped by the DOJ. Justice has been served. He never lied to the FBI. Sorry to burst your bubble. You were off the mark all along.

Justice Department is dropping criminal case against ex-Trump adviser Flynn, according to court filing obtained by AP

Justice Department is dropping criminal case against ex-Trump adviser Flynn, according to court filing obtained by AP

WASHINGTON (AP) — Justice Department is dropping criminal case against ex-Trump adviser Flynn, according to court filing obtained by AP.

apnews.com

 

[Federberg]

Wow, look at how much better Florida has handled the coronavirus than New York, despite there being a huge elderly population in Florida. It's clearly because Florida has a Republican governor who is competent, while New York is run by a Democrat as incompetent as Federberg, AntiPusher, and Moxie.

Props to DeSantis in Florida for following science and rationality! Great job, DeSantis!

(Also, The Hill is a much better source of info than CNN - just a little tip for you Federberg. You have potential and I want you to learn. I want to mentor your growth.)

Florida emerges as bright spot in COVID-19 fight
05/07/20

Florida emerges as bright spot in COVID-19 fight

ORLANDO, Fla. — Florida has reported 37,439 positive coronavirus cases and 1,471 deaths, ranking it eighth in the U.S. for the number of confirmed cases despite being the nation’s third most popula…

thehill.com

too funny!

 

[the AntiPusher]

In your obtuse, one-dimensional, highly simplified, highly bigoted understanding of reality, yes. But Trump clearly weighs all sides of issues before he acts - which is why, for example, he didn't pull the trigger on attacking Iran last summer when his advisers were telling him to retaliate. Trump actually told reporters that he didn't think a military strike was "proportionate" to what the Irainians had done, so he held off.

But of course you are too much of a one-sided anti-Trump bigot to ever acknowledge that or give him credit for it, just as BwokenWooWace is too much of a bigot to give Trump credit for not intervening in the Middle East.



Every day of his administration. The media are a de facto branch of government at this point. They control what the majority of the plebeians see and think in our society, mostly through the information flow on people's cell phones. Look at the hold they have on your mind, for example.



Because of exorbitant legal fees and to protect his son, not because he was actually guilty. Go and read his declaration. You don't have to be so relentlessly clueless or intellectually lazy.

Oh, and btw, his case was just dropped by the DOJ. Justice has been served. He never lied to the FBI. Sorry to burst your bubble. You were off the mark all along.

Justice Department is dropping criminal case against ex-Trump adviser Flynn, according to court filing obtained by AP

Justice Department is dropping criminal case against ex-Trump adviser Flynn, according to court filing obtained by AP

WASHINGTON (AP) — Justice Department is dropping criminal case against ex-Trump adviser Flynn, according to court filing obtained by AP.

apnews.com

I definitely didn't provide these court documents

 

[Moxie]

In your obtuse, one-dimensional, highly simplified, highly bigoted understanding of reality, yes. But Trump clearly weighs all sides of issues before he acts - which is why, for example, he didn't pull the trigger on attacking Iran last summer when his advisers were telling him to retaliate. Trump actually told reporters that he didn't think a military strike was "proportionate" to what the Irainians had done, so he held off.

But of course you are too much of a one-sided anti-Trump bigot to ever acknowledge that or give him credit for it, just as BwokenWooWace is too much of a bigot to give Trump credit for not intervening in the Middle East.

You can say that I'm disinclined towards Trump, I make no secret of that, but to say that he "weighs all sides before he acts" is rather to deny reality. He likes to shoot from the hip, and especially to speak off of the top of his head. Which is why he has to reverse himself so often, or his minions have to walk-back what he says. Let's face it, he was going to the brink with Iran, and Congress tried to rein him in. Even you, I'd think, would admit that he's more reactive than contemplative on things.

Every day of his administration. The media are a de facto branch of government at this point. They control what the majority of the plebeians see and think in our society, mostly through the information flow on people's cell phones. Look at the hold they have on your mind, for example.

You misunderstood me on this, or I didn't express it in a way that was partisan-proof. My point was that he doesn't "feel" pressure from CNN. If he does, he does a good job of faking it. He calls them "fake news," and he certainly doesn't capitulate to them, in any way I've ever seen. He's 24/7 Fox News, parrots what they say, and acts on their positions. I don't believe that CNN affects his policies or choices, at all. As to the bolded above, there is a reason that they have long been referred to as The Fourth Estate. Just because you and Trump have no respect for journalism, it doesn't mean that good journalism doesn't exist, and isn't a voice for the people to shed light on the institutions of government.

Because of exorbitant legal fees and to protect his son, not because he was actually guilty. Go and read his declaration. You don't have to be so relentlessly clueless or intellectually lazy.

Oh, and btw, his case was just dropped by the DOJ. Justice has been served. He never lied to the FBI. Sorry to burst your bubble. You were off the mark all along.

Justice Department is dropping criminal case against ex-Trump adviser Flynn, according to court filing obtained by AP

Justice Department is dropping criminal case against ex-Trump adviser Flynn, according to court filing obtained by AP

WASHINGTON (AP) — Justice Department is dropping criminal case against ex-Trump adviser Flynn, according to court filing obtained by AP.

apnews.com

Since you cited the AP as a source:

Flynn dismissal a surprise? AG Barr in sync with Trump

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump says he didn’t know the Justice Department was planning to drop its case against his former national security adviser, Michael Flynn.

apnews.com

Note they say:
"None of the documents appeared to undercut the central allegation that Flynn had misled the FBI."

 

[britbox]

hey BB, these fatality numbers in the US seem to keep going up by 1,000+ per day. What are your thoughts if we get past 100,000. You still rate Trump's electoral chances highly?

I thought this ad was devastating by the way... an evil twist on Reagan's campaign ad...

It's not an IF but a WHEN. Given that Biden is the alternative then he'll always have a good chance. Joe was a terrible choice.

 

[Moxie]

Judge ruled that NY State has to hold primary, but Cuomo is still considering fighting it. Point should be made that there are still a lot of local elections that WILL be held, so it's not like we're not going to vote in June, in many districts. I've told you people before, don't sanctify Cuomo. When this is over, you can have him. This smacks of party machine crap, and it disenfranchises me.

 

[the AntiPusher]

It's not an IF but a WHEN. Given that Biden is the alternative then he'll always have a good chance. Joe was a terrible choice.

How can you say anyone is a terrible choice after These almost four years of this asshole

 

[britbox]

How can you say anyone is a terrible choice after These almost four years of this asshole

If Joe Biden is the best the Democratic Party can pull out of the hat after four years, then they will be complicit in a Trump re-election.

 

[Moxie]

If Joe Biden is the best the Democratic Party can pull out of the hat after four years, then they will be complicit in a Trump re-election.

I'll agree that rather sadly we went for what the machine deemed the "safest" choice, I do believe that Biden has the chops to pull together a much better Administration and smarter group of advisers than what Trump has, or will have going forward. We know why he's presumed to be electable...because we're up against a dug-in conservative onslaught and everyone's afraid that progressives/a woman won't win the middle ground, suburban women, and, frankly, conservative minorities. Joe's job is to sell himself. Our job now is to get out the vote. Period.