US Politics Thread

[Moxie]

That is total nonsense. This is one of the dumbest talking points of the Democrats, i.e. that we need more and more "testing." All that will do is confirm what we already know from multiple studies, starting with the Stanford study in mid-March that I cited: that there are far more asymptomatic carriers than have been officially documented, which will cause the official number of cases to skyrocket. What this will do in turn is provide Democrats even more excuses to extend shutdowns and destroy the economy before the election.

There is no need for testing everyone and anyone under the sun. There is a need to test those who show symptoms and are actually sick. Beyond that, this idiotic campaign for "MORE TESTING!!!!!" is unnecessary and simply an excuse to make a big deal out of what we already know, namely that there are millions of asymptomatic carriers. All that Democrats plan to do is take those numbers and use them to promote even more fear and irrational hysteria.

Cali, this is a ridiculously partisan post. Take off your Trump-defending goggles for a second and let's talk about it reasonably. Firstly, by "more testing," I mean two things...a)the COVID test (active virus) and b) the anti-body test. I should think you'd be in favor of both. As to A: the more we test patients and cadavers, the more we know for sure, rather than the "presumed COVID" cases and deaths that you object to. Much more importantly than the politics of it, it's the only way for scientists, down the road, to assess the virus, its spread and impact, properly. As to B: while there is as yet no guaranteed confirmation that the presence of anti-bodies guarantees immunity, it will allow for much greater freedom of movement and going back to work/normalcy with some degree of confidence.

The phrase "asymptomatic carriers" gets bandied about a lot. My understanding is that this might even be when a person is most contagious. That's why the masks and the social distancing. However, as I also understand it, the majority of people who have contracted the virus do experience some symptoms, eventually, whether mild or bad. Then they're over it, and carry the antibody. Also, some lucky few, it's sounding like 15-20% or fewer, never develop any symptoms, but develop the antibody. So I wonder if you're conflating the notion of "asymptomatic carrier" with "perpetually contagious?" That sounds scientifically inaccurate.

The only way to know who has been exposed and developed antibodies without symptoms, and who has had it and recovered, is by testing. Also, pre-vaccine, and secured cure, using plasma from recovered patients is one way to save lives.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/04/07/plasma-recovered-patients-could-help-treat-covid-19-until-we-find-vaccine/

The only way to make use of this plasma is to identify recovered victims, via testing.

There are plenty of good arguments for effective testing. If you say you don't want to know, isn't that just sticking your fingers in your ear and going "Lalalalala?"

 

[Federberg]

if you're like me and often go back to this scene just for humour, amazement or wonder. I've decided to pin it here

 

[Federberg]

Well Moxie, like AntiPusher and Federberg, you were dead wrong about Flynn. As some other posters might say, "your post really aged well."

This new info confirms that you all were wrong about the Flynn case. He was actually framed. The notes don't lie:

Powell: Unsealed FBI Handwritten Notes And Emails Reveal Agents Plotted Perjury Trap On Flynn
By
Sara Carter
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April 29, 2020

Powell: Unsealed FBI Handwritten Notes And Emails Reveal Agents Plotted Perjury Trap On Flynn

U.S. District Court Judge Emmet G. Sullivan unsealed four pages of stunning FBI emails and handwritten notes Wednesday, regarding former Trump National Security Advisor Michael Flynn, which allegedly reveal the retired three star general was targeted by senior FBI officials for prosecution...

saraacarter.com

by the way how do you explain the fact that your orange god fired his stupid ass... for LYING dumbass....

Commenting on Flynn's resignation, on February 14 White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer stated, "We got to a point not based on a legal issue, but based on a trust issue, where a level of trust between the President and General Flynn had eroded to the point where he felt he had to make a change ... The issue here was that the President got to the point where General Flynn's relationship—misleading the Vice President and others, or the possibility that he had forgotten critical details of this important conversation had created a critical mass and an unsustainable situation. That's why the President decided to ask for his resignation, and he got it."

 

[calitennis127]

hey BB, these fatality numbers in the US seem to keep going up by 1,000+ per day. What are your thoughts if we get past 100,000. You still rate Trump's electoral chances highly?

I thought this ad was devastating by the way... an evil twist on Reagan's campaign ad...

Lol.....and this wasn't political to you at all, right? Remember how you were saying that you care more about your business and the people you know in America?

That was all fake. This has been 100% political to you from the start. And when I called you out on it you could not deny it.

 

[calitennis127]

by the way how do you explain the fact that your orange god fired his stupid ass... for LYING dumbass....

Commenting on Flynn's resignation, on February 14 White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer stated, "We got to a point not based on a legal issue, but based on a trust issue, where a level of trust between the President and General Flynn had eroded to the point where he felt he had to make a change ... The issue here was that the President got to the point where General Flynn's relationship—misleading the Vice President and others, or the possibility that he had forgotten critical details of this important conversation had created a critical mass and an unsustainable situation. That's why the President decided to ask for his resignation, and he got it."

Awwww.....look how cute this is. Federbergy is still clinging - ever so desperately - to his Russian-collusion superstition and trying to save face after being humiliated over and over in recent weeks with new stories that showed how wrong and downright stupid he was at every step of the way. The Russians actually provided disinformation TO the Clinton campaign ABOUT Trump, not TO the Trump campaign ABOUT Clinton, as CNN-brainwashed tools like Federberg insisted for over 2 years.

Why was Flynn fired? Since you are such a simple little mind, allow me to remind you that there was a swirl of media vitriol from idiots like yourself at the time accusing Flynn of being a Russian agent over a completely routine conversation with Sergei Kislyak (who, by the way, had extensive conversations with the Clintons during the Uranium One deal that no one apparently had an issue with). We also know now that the FBI scum were threatening to charge Flynn's son if he did not plead guilty to the charges against him. In that context, the Trump administration clearly wanted the PR problem off their hands.

The FBI scum knew they had the media in the tank and that sapheads like you Federberg would believe every anti-Trump story, no matter how preposterous it may be. They wanted to get Flynn out by making something about him, and it worked.

How does it feel to have been as wrong as you were the whole time about this issue?

 

[Federberg]

Awwww.....look how cute this is. Federbergy is still clinging - ever so desperately - to his Russian-collusion superstition and trying to save face after being humiliated over and over in recent weeks with new stories that showed how wrong and downright stupid he was at every step of the way. The Russians actually provided disinformation TO the Clinton campaign ABOUT Trump, not TO the Trump campaign ABOUT Clinton, as CNN-brainwashed tools like Federberg insisted for over 2 years.

Why was Flynn fired? Since you are such a simple little mind, allow me to remind you that there was a swirl of media vitriol from idiots like yourself at the time accusing Flynn of being a Russian agent over a completely routine conversation with Sergei Kislyak (who, by the way, had extensive conversations with the Clintons during the Uranium One deal that no one apparently had an issue with). We also know now that the FBI scum were threatening to charge Flynn's son if he did not plead guilty to the charges against him. In that context, the Trump administration clearly wanted the PR problem off their hands.

The FBI scum knew they had the media in the tank and that sapheads like you Federberg would believe every anti-Trump story, no matter how preposterous it may be. They wanted to get Flynn out by making something about him, and it worked.

How does it feel to have been as wrong as you were the whole time about this issue?

he admitted lying to the FBI and pleaded guilty.
He was sacked by your orange buffoon for lying.
And I'm the one who's clinging? Dumbass

 

[Federberg]

Lol.....and this wasn't political to you at all, right? Remember how you were saying that you care more about your business and the people you know in America?

That was all fake. This has been 100% political to you from the start. And when I called you out on it you could not deny it.

what on god's green earth are you going on about? Where is the politics in any comment I made there? Do you even speak English? Because words come out and they make no fucking sense at all

 

[calitennis127]

If Moxie wants a little dose of reality, here you go.....this is the grisly scene of what the NYC healthcare system looks like right now. Another testimonial from a nurse about the horror show there. The reasons for the deaths in New York are 1) the stupidity of Cuomo and De Blasio (e.g. sending COVID patients into nursing homes), and 2) the utterly depraved mismanagement and neglect on the part of many NYC health professionals, who are not heroes, but villains. Here is yet more evidence of that.....the video is embedded in the article.


MUST WATCH: Tearful Nurse Blows Whistle on New York Hospitals ‘Murdering’ COVID Patients With ‘Complete Medical Mismanagement’


“I know not everybody is going to live. I’m not that f-cking green, or ignorant, or bright eyed and bushy tailed to think that, okay? I know we’re going to have a sh-t ton of people die — but these people aren’t dying from COVID.”

Sirotek then gave several specific examples of patients who have died from medical negligence, including a resident nurse killing a patient by using a defibrillator on him when he had a pulse and it wasn’t necessary. When she ran out of the room to get help stopping him from doing it, the director of nursing just shook their head at her. The patient ultimately died, but not from COVID.

In another example, she said that a patient was given the wrong type of insulin. Even more alarmingly, she said that the hospital was refusing to give blood transfusions to patients who are low on blood unless they have internal bleeding. Without proper blood flow, she explained, the ventilators will not do anything to help them — and she said that this is a common problem for patients with the virus.

“Nobody is listening. They don’t care what is happening to these people. They don’t. I’m literally coming here every day and watching them kill them,” she said.

MUST WATCH: Tearful Nurse Blows Whistle on New York Hospitals 'Murdering' COVID Patients With 'Complete Medical Mismanagement'

A Nevada nurse who travelled to New York to help treat COVID-19 patients has posted a tearful Facebook Live video claiming that patients are not dying from the virus, but are being “murdered” by “gross negligence and complete medical mismanagement.” Nicole Sirotek, a nurse from Elko, Nevada, was...

www.thegatewaypundit.com

 

[calitennis127]

he admitted lying to the FBI and pleaded guilty.

Are you still this clueless/ignorant that you are actually trying to argue that this is an accurate characterization of what occurred? Have you not read a single story in the past week and a half? Have you read Flynn's statement? Did you not see the FBI agent notes on trying to frame Flynn by getting him to admit to lying? Did you not see the info on how Flynn's original defense team was allied to the Mueller investigation and part of the effort to frame him?

Your version of events is old and refuted. Get with the program. Read this article and get up to speed.

The FBI Set Flynn Up to Preserve the Trump–Russia Probe

May 2, 2020 6:30 AM

The FBI Set Flynn Up to Preserve the Trump–Russia Probe | National Review

Perjury trap was not score-settling. To investigate the president, it was a practical necessity to sideline his chosen national-security adviser.

www.nationalreview.com

 

[calitennis127]

what on god's green earth are you going on about? Where is the politics in any comment I made there? Do you even speak English? Because words come out and they make no fucking sense at all

You are talking about death counts in connection with Trump's electoral chances, which proves, yet again, that this whole affair has been political to you from the start. And you are being duped by the COVID hype, just as you were duped by the Russia collusion hype. You're like a fish that keeps going for the bait.

 

[Federberg]

You are talking about death counts in connection with Trump's electoral chances, which proves, yet again, that this whole affair has been political to you from the start. And you are being duped by the COVID hype, just as you were duped by the Russia collusion hype. You're like a fish that keeps going for the bait.

you dumbass I was asking @britbox a question about politics. Not expressing a view. How much of a dumbass are you that you don't get that

 

[Federberg]

Are you still this clueless/ignorant that you are actually trying to argue that this is an accurate characterization of what occurred? Have you not read a single story in the past week and a half? Have you read Flynn's statement? Did you not see the FBI agent notes on trying to frame Flynn by getting him to admit to lying? Did you not see the info on how Flynn's original defense team was allied to the Mueller investigation and part of the effort to frame him?

Your version of events is old and refuted. Get with the program. Read this article and get up to speed.

The FBI Set Flynn Up to Preserve the Trump–Russia Probe

May 2, 2020 6:30 AM

The FBI Set Flynn Up to Preserve the Trump–Russia Probe | National Review

Perjury trap was not score-settling. To investigate the president, it was a practical necessity to sideline his chosen national-security adviser.

www.nationalreview.com

I repeat again... he admitted he lied. Even now he hasn't claimed otherwise dumbass

A fucking 3 star who was also the head of an agency that had to have extensive dealings with the FBI. So it wasn't as if he didn't know the consequences. And your orange god fired him... for lying! BWAHAHAHAHAHJA!!

 

[Moxie]

If Moxie wants a little dose of reality, here you go.....this is the grisly scene of what the NYC healthcare system looks like right now. Another testimonial from a nurse about the horror show there. The reasons for the deaths in New York are 1) the stupidity of Cuomo and De Blasio (e.g. sending COVID patients into nursing homes), and 2) the utterly depraved mismanagement and neglect on the part of many NYC health professionals, who are not heroes, but villains. Here is yet more evidence of that.....the video is embedded in the article.


MUST WATCH: Tearful Nurse Blows Whistle on New York Hospitals ‘Murdering’ COVID Patients With ‘Complete Medical Mismanagement’


“I know not everybody is going to live. I’m not that f-cking green, or ignorant, or bright eyed and bushy tailed to think that, okay? I know we’re going to have a sh-t ton of people die — but these people aren’t dying from COVID.”

Sirotek then gave several specific examples of patients who have died from medical negligence, including a resident nurse killing a patient by using a defibrillator on him when he had a pulse and it wasn’t necessary. When she ran out of the room to get help stopping him from doing it, the director of nursing just shook their head at her. The patient ultimately died, but not from COVID.

In another example, she said that a patient was given the wrong type of insulin. Even more alarmingly, she said that the hospital was refusing to give blood transfusions to patients who are low on blood unless they have internal bleeding. Without proper blood flow, she explained, the ventilators will not do anything to help them — and she said that this is a common problem for patients with the virus.

“Nobody is listening. They don’t care what is happening to these people. They don’t. I’m literally coming here every day and watching them kill them,” she said.

MUST WATCH: Tearful Nurse Blows Whistle on New York Hospitals 'Murdering' COVID Patients With 'Complete Medical Mismanagement'

A Nevada nurse who travelled to New York to help treat COVID-19 patients has posted a tearful Facebook Live video claiming that patients are not dying from the virus, but are being “murdered” by “gross negligence and complete medical mismanagement.” Nicole Sirotek, a nurse from Elko, Nevada, was...

www.thegatewaypundit.com

What is the object of this post? One not-even-verifiable nurse's account, in order to say something about the state of COVID care? This is really just deflection, isn't it? Your point is that the disease is not that bad, and that the incompetence came not from Trump. So a little tabloid messiness, just so you don't have to own up to the fact that testing is actually a good idea?

 

[calitennis127]

What is the object of this post? One not-even-verifiable nurse's account, in order to say something about the state of COVID care? This is really just deflection, isn't it? Your point is that the disease is not that bad, and that the incompetence came not from Trump. So a little tabloid messiness, just so you don't have to own up to the fact that testing is actually a good idea?

No, what I am saying is that this testimonial is one piece to the puzzle of understanding what is going on - just as Cuomo's idiotic directive to New York nursing homes that they must accept COVID patients is one piece to the puzzle. Trump provided New York with the Comfort ship and had the Javits Center converted to a hospital. Both facilities were hardly used. Cuomo could have sent the elderly COVID patients there instead of back into the nursing homes where the vulnerable populations were. COVID is not that bad, except for people who are very old.

Notice how much better Florida has done with a Republican governor than New York has. Florida has a huge elderly population of retirees, and DeSantis aggressively defended them and made sure that COVID patients were not transported into nursing homes. The result is that Florida has done a far superior job to Democrat-run New York at handling the pandemic and keeping cases low.

 

[the AntiPusher]

Are you still this clueless/ignorant that you are actually trying to argue that this is an accurate characterization of what occurred? Have you not read a single story in the past week and a half? Have you read Flynn's statement? Did you not see the FBI agent notes on trying to frame Flynn by getting him to admit to lying? Did you not see the info on how Flynn's original defense team was allied to the Mueller investigation and part of the effort to frame him?

Your version of events is old and refuted. Get with the program. Read this article and get up to speed.

The FBI Set Flynn Up to Preserve the Trump–Russia Probe

May 2, 2020 6:30 AM

The FBI Set Flynn Up to Preserve the Trump–Russia Probe | National Review

Perjury trap was not score-settling. To investigate the president, it was a practical necessity to sideline his chosen national-security adviser.

www.nationalreview.com

Cali, can the FBI set you up to become a part of the Democratic Party.....? I will answer that, Not a chance in Hades...Same with Flynn..Flynn has a lot of culpability that you are either refusing to acknowledge or accept.

 

[calitennis127]

I repeat again... he admitted he lied. Even now he hasn't claimed otherwise dumbass

You lazy turd.....no wonder your views are so asinine. You can't even do the most basic research.

Even now he hasn't claimed otherwise, huh? I guess you couldn't be troubled to even glance at his declaration filed to the U.S. District Court in the District of Columbia on January 29th.

Here are some of the highlights, with link provided at the end.....

4. On December 1, 2017 (reiterated on December 18, 2018), I pled guilty to lying to agents of the FBI.

5. I am innocent of this crime, and I request to withdraw my plea.

9. …..When FBI agents came to the White House on January 24, 2017, I did not lie to them. I believed I was honest with them to the best of my recollection at the time.

23. …..I should have stood my ground firmly for what I knew to be the truth - that I did not lie to the agents, and I should have told this Court on December 18, 2018, that I needed to consult new counsel.

34. I agreed to plead guilty.....[on] December 1, 2017 because of the intense pressure from the Special Counsel's Office, which included a threat to indict my son Michael, and the lack of crucial information from my counsel.....At the time, Michael and his wife had a four-month old baby. Nonetheless, I would not have pled guilty if my former lawyers and informed me that both agents who interviewed me at the White House on January 24, 2017, had advised that a) I displayed a "sure demeanor," b) I "did not give any indications of deception"; and c) both agents believed there was "no indication that I was lying, or that I believed I was lying."

35. At no time before my plea did my former lawyers explain or disclose this to me. Had I been informed of these disclosures, I never would have pled guilty.

 

[Federberg]

You lazy turd.....no wonder your views are so asinine. You can't even do the most basic research.

Even now he hasn't claimed otherwise, huh? I guess you couldn't be troubled to even glance at his declaration filed to the U.S. District Court in the District of Columbia on January 29th.

Here are some of the highlights, with link provided at the end.....

4. On December 1, 2017 (reiterated on December 18, 2018), I pled guilty to lying to agents of the FBI.

5. I am innocent of this crime, and I request to withdraw my plea.

9. …..When FBI agents came to the White House on January 24, 2017, I did not lie to them. I believed I was honest with them to the best of my recollection at the time.

23. …..I should have stood my ground firmly for what I knew to be the truth - that I did not lie to the agents, and I should have told this Court on December 18, 2018, that I needed to consult new counsel.

34. I agreed to plead guilty.....[on] December 1, 2017 because of the intense pressure from the Special Counsel's Office, which included a threat to indict my son Michael, and the lack of crucial information from my counsel.....At the time, Michael and his wife had a four-month old baby. Nonetheless, I would not have pled guilty if my former lawyers and informed me that both agents who interviewed me at the White House on January 24, 2017, had advised that a) I displayed a "sure demeanor," b) I "did not give any indications of deception"; and c) both agents believed there was "no indication that I was lying, or that I believed I was lying."

35. At no time before my plea did my former lawyers explain or disclose this to me. Had I been informed of these disclosures, I never would have pled guilty.

nothing lazy about it. He pled guilty. He was sacked for lying. Now he's making excuses after the fact. It's hilarious and lacks credibility

How many times have black men been coerced into pleading guilty despite the lack of evidence and they get stuck in jail for life? And I'm supposed to feel sorry for this privileged motherfucker? Give me a break.

And why has your pussy ass not addressed the fact that your orange god sacked him... for lying? dumbass

 

[calitennis127]

nothing lazy about it. He pled guilty. He was sacked for lying. Now he's making excuses after the fact.

You can call them excuses or whatever you like. They are legitimate explanations for his actions.

The issue here is that you are simply furious to have been totally disproven, yet again. These were your exact words a few posts ago: "he admitted he lied. Even now he hasn't claimed otherwise." Then I showed you the January 29th declaration in which Flynn explicitly says "I am innocent of this crime, and I request to withdraw my guilty plea." That is a direct contradiction of your claim that "even now he hasn't claimed otherwise." I directly refuted what you said.

You clearly had not read the Flynn declaration and you didn't know what Flynn had recently said. There's no sense in denying it now.

How many times have black men been coerced into pleading guilty despite the lack of evidence and they get stuck in jail for life? And I'm supposed to feel sorry for this privileged motherfucker? Give me a break.

What do you know about "black men" being coerced into anything? You are one of the whitest human beings I have ever spoken to. And, in this case, Flynn was being ambushed by other white "privileged motherfuckers" (in fact, they were all white males except for Lisa Page, a white female), so the racial/class component could not be more irrelevant. This was a case of political persecution through the law enforcement agencies.

 

[calitennis127]

Cali, can the FBI set you up to become a part of the Democratic Party.....? I will answer that, Not a chance in Hades...Same with Flynn..Flynn has a lot of culpability that you are either refusing to acknowledge or accept.

AntiPusher, try not to be as lazy as Tinfoil Federbergy. Take 2 minutes out of your day and read just the first few statements in the Flynn Declaration. By doing so, you will find out that Flynn was a lifelong Democrat. You may have just topped Federberg in terms of saying something stupid. Well, no, you did not stoop that low. But you came close. And that should make you reflect.

Here is point 3 of the Flynn Declaration.....

3. I was a life-long Democrat and President Barack Obama twiced appointed me to positions that required Senate confirmation. In my final military assignment, I served as head of the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) until September 2014.

 

[Federberg]

You can call them excuses or whatever you like. They are legitimate explanations for his actions.

The issue here is that you are simply furious to have been totally disproven, yet again. These were your exact words a few posts ago: "he admitted he lied. Even now he hasn't claimed otherwise." Then I showed you the January 29th declaration in which Flynn explicitly says "I am innocent of this crime, and I request to withdraw my guilty plea." That is a direct contradiction of your claim that "even now he hasn't claimed otherwise." I directly refuted what you said.

You clearly had not read the Flynn declaration and you didn't know what Flynn had recently said. There's no sense in denying it now.



What do you know about "black men" being coerced into anything? You are one of the whitest human beings I have ever spoken to. And, in this case, Flynn was being ambushed by other white "privileged motherfuckers" (in fact, they were all white males except for Lisa Page, a white female), so the racial/class component could not be more irrelevant. This was a case of political persecution through the law enforcement agencies.

excuses excuses excuses. Deflections deflections deflections. It is absolutely irrelevant. He pled guilty to lying. He was fired for lying. It's very simple.. to most people. Complicated to a dumbass like you. But really... it's very simple. He admitted it