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It used to be that some members of Congress, regardless of party, would socialize with each other. I haven’t heard about any such activity in ages. I suspect if a Democrat and a Republican were spotted enjoying lunch together, they would both be shunned.

Oh really.....then why don't you condemn the Democrat restaurant owners in Virginia who allowed hecklers to force Sarah Huckabee Sanders, Kirsten Nielson, and Ted Cruz out of their restaurants with shouting, epithets, and obscenities?

None of them would have interfered so dramatically with the advice of doctors and researchers who specialize in viruses and pandemics. All of them would have realized the most important part of being President is knowing when to defer to others. Citizens don’t expect their leaders to be medical experts; they expect them to consult experts.

WTF are you talking about?!?!?!?!? Lol. How many times does Fauci have to tell the media that Trump has listened to him at every step of the way, whether about travel bans or mitigation (far too much in my opinion)? This 1-minute clip was from April 13th:

 

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I have to add to my prior post to you Federberg that if you do truly appreciate separating emotion from politics, then you should appreciate the black Democratic Representative Vernon Jones from Georgia breaking with the intense and irrational hatred black Americans have for the Republican Party to support Trump's campaign for re-election in 2020. Apparently Mr. Jones considers the likes of Moxie to be plantation owners. As an evenhanded political observer who doesn't "do emotion in his politics," this should be a pleasure for you to read:










lol! What in the flying fuck has this got to do with me?? Still having problems with your understanding of statistics are we? Very poor sampling. Find a single token black man to push a non existent movement :facepalm:
 

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lol! What in the flying fuck has this got to do with me?? Still having problems with your understanding of statistics are we? Very poor sampling. Find a single token black man to push a non existent movement :facepalm:

I actually would agree that it is a small movement (though not nonexistent). What it has to do with you is that if you truly appreciate someone being willing to separate emotions from politics, then you should be delighted to see Vernon Jones take the stance that he's taking.
 

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I actually would agree that it is a small movement (though not nonexistent). What it has to do with you is that if you truly appreciate someone being willing to separate emotions from politics, then you should be delighted to see Vernon Jones take the stance that he's taking.
don't know him mate. I'll look into his history when I have a moment. Just because someone is willing to take my approach of separating emotion from politics doesn't mean that we arrive at the same position. But as always with your posts I'm not even sure for now whether your characterisations of this guy are accurate or not. Perhaps if you applaud that type of process you should employ it yourself? ;)
 

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Fuck every person who defends police brutality against black people. Fuck every person who thinks a 13 year old with a toy gun should have been shot while some streets are currently flooded with confederate flag waving racists with assault riffles protesting the lockdown.
Fuck everyone who thinks Colin Kaepernick kneeling is unjustified but storming the streets with machine guns is.

Fuck every stupid statement made by the Lebanese Elmer Fudd.....which would amount to 95% of what he says about political issues (the only exceptions being what he says about U.S. foreign policy, a matter he only gets sort of right because he has an up-close view in the Middle East unfiltered by American media propaganda). It is quite ironic for him to accuse others of putting up straw men argument while of course doing just that.

No person, you idiot, "defends police brutality against black people." What they have asserted is that the charges of police brutality in the controversial cases of 2014-2015 were unfounded. And the left-wing Eric Holder Department of Justice (DOJ) agreed with that conclusion in the high-profile Michael Brown case in Ferguson, Missouri that kick-started the Black Lives Matter movement. The critics of Black Lives Matter also point to countless studies and statistics showing that black people are no more likely than whites to be victims of police brutality.

Finally, as for yet another idiotic, misinformed statement from you: the people armed at protests have not hurt anyone. Second Amendment defenders have among the lowest crime rates in the world. Rural America has virtually no violent crime related to guns.

And since Federberg mentioned "token black people" - namely any black person who does not mindlessly go along with the Democratic Party - here is David Clarke, the black sheriff from Milwaukee, going on CNN to challenge the Black Lives Matter narrative that you have gobbled up completely from your white leftist idols who you allow to spoon feed you one nonsensical story after another. You should consider what Clarke says here. When you say "Fuck every person who defends police brutality," are you referring to Sheriff Clarke?

 

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don't know him mate. I'll look into his history when I have a moment.

Vernon Jones is a lifelong Democrat who is endorsing Trump because of Trump's funding of historically black colleges, criminal justice reform, and improving the economic prospects of black Americans.

Just because someone is willing to take my approach of separating emotion from politics doesn't mean that we arrive at the same position.

Never claimed that it should.

But as always with your posts I'm not even sure for now whether your characterisations of this guy are accurate or not. Perhaps if you applaud that type of process you should employ it yourself? ;)

I do far more than you realize. Maybe you should try it in how you assess Trump.
 

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Vernon Jones is a lifelong Democrat who is endorsing Trump because of Trump's funding of historically black colleges, criminal justice reform, and improving the economic prospects of black Americans.



Never claimed that it should.



I do far more than you realize. Maybe you should try it in how you assess Trump.
Trump is a fraud. He is not as rich as he claims to be. He is manifestly, ostentatiously and unapologetically unfit for the position, and he has guaranteed that America will lose a lot of its status and power in the world. I have a personal distaste for Trump where climate change and multi-lateral organisations like NATO are concerned. These are my judgements and based on my own self interest. Where emotions play a role for me is less about Trump himself but the American electorate. I think I've said several times that Trump is a symptom not the cause of your dysfunctional system. I have a greater issue with the Republican Party than Trump to be perfectly honest. What I observe is a party which exists in a broken system where more extreme political positions are a rational outcome of systematic failure. This isn't good. Politics should be a product that's sold to the electorate. The party that has the best offering wins. But that's not what's happening in America at the moment and it's scary. I fear for the very texture of your democracy and I find it stunning that your Supreme Court doesn't recognise the dangerous role it's playing by going out on a limb to support anti-democratic positions that are in conflict with the will of the majority. If America weren't so big and of such global consequence I wouldn't give a toss. You don't hear me talking much about Victor Orban do you? He makes Trump look like a pussy
 
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Oh okay. So it’s alright if a Democrat behaves like a dictator and has people arrested for routine social and business activities in what you think is a good cause, but Trump is not allowed to criticize the media. Otherwise he is a dictator.

Got it.
She isn't acting like a dictator. She is acting like an elected government official who is doing what she has to do to protect the citizens of Chicago. That's low rent on your part trying to politicalize this..Man..Wake up. This is Pass or Fail. This is Life or Death...Don't respond with this Democrats vs Republicans Red vs Blue foolishness This is living here on Earth or being buried 6 feet under the dirt.
 
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Vernon Jones is a lifelong Democrat who is endorsing Trump because of Trump's funding of historically black colleges, criminal justice reform, and improving the economic prospects of black Americans.



Never claimed that it should.



I do far more than you realize. Maybe you should try it in how you assess Trump.
Why is so important for you to worship your Anti Christ leader on line. You can do it by yourself or by attending his protesting against the state legislation.
 

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WTF are you talking about?!?!?!?!? Lol. How many times does Fauci have to tell the media that Trump has listened to him at every step of the way, whether about travel bans or mitigation (far too much in my opinion)? This 1-minute clip was from April 13th:


What else was Fauci going to say? He's trying to save us. But Trump has been seen in real time undermining what he says, with random, non-scientific crap. Thus the face-palm.
 

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And he was and still is mostly correct about that.



Right, but Andrew Cuomo blaming nursing homes for the consequences of his stupid order to have COVID patients sent into them and then threatening to have those same nursing homes investigated doesn't somehow draw your ire for being "narcissistic" or a "political weapon out of his own ego." Why is that? Why no condemnations of Cuomo for his character or perceived selfishness?

Let's all flip a mental coin.....he's a Democrat, and therefore to be treated with kid gloves by you. You can't bring herself to criticize a Democrat, no matter how stupid or incompetent their actions.

Trump sent a navy hospital ship to NY and had the Javits Center converted to a hospital. He also had a plethora of supplies sent to both facilities. And instead of using them, your Democratic governor left those Trump-provided spaces open and sent COVID patients into nursing homes. And then he blamed those same nursing homes for the inevitably ugly consequences. Yet all we get from you about that is crickets.



Meanwhile, Cuomo, after his initial denial of knowledge, quickly became a forceful defender of the policy. Day by day last week, he also began shifting the blame to the nursing homes.

One day he said it was “not our job” to provide them with equipment, even as aides insist the state has provided thousands of face masks, gowns and other items — including body bags.

The following day, the governor became even more hostile, vowing to investigate the homes and threatening to take away their licenses. An aide said the aim was to “get to the bottom of the high death count.”

If Cuomo really wants the truth, he will start his investigation in his own Health Department.

In the industry, his threats are viewed as a warning against criticism, with one owner certain it means “Cuomo is coming after us.”

Said another executive: “Our nurses are putting themselves at risk, then they go home and hear the governor’s criticism. So instead of cheers, we get crap. Now he’s tormenting us, just to protect a policy that was wrong-headed.”

What you fail to recognize is the difference between "mistakes" and making it all about yourself. Sure Cuomo has made mistakes, but where did he make it about himself? Trump, however, full-on made it about him. Ego-driven and also a bit kooky, on more than one occasion. And Cuomo is only one governor out of 50 states. That is not the same thing as being President of all of the United States. You asked me what would it matter if Trump gave an address from the Oval Office? I still think he should. Where is our President in this? And twitter doesn't count. You asked in another post why Trump should address the nation when people like me would still denigrate him. Should that be the consideration? He is the President of all of us.
 

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No, he didn't. In fact, the original FBI recounting of the interview (in what are called "302" documents) stated that the FBI agents did not think Flynn was lying, and Comey testified to that fact. And even Politifact also acknowledged that the special counsel reiterated this:

"A partially redacted FBI memo — known as a 302 — states that the FBI agents said Flynn "did not give any indicators of deception." During Michael Flynn’s sentencing phase, the special counsel reiterated the agents’ impression."

Ultimately, your only basis for saying that he told an "untruth" to the FBI is that he plead guilty. But Flynn just explained that he only did that to protect his son from being charged and harassed over other issues.

So, again, let's repeat:

Fox News was right. CNN (and you) were wrong.
 

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No, it only means that there is a very high probability that on the issue of gay marriage a Kenyan citizen would agree with the president of Kenya, if you actually look into the situation in that country a little bit. There is this one concept called "probability" that you may want to look up. It is a pretty good guiding principle to understanding societies, if you have the right info at your disposal. And, in fact, based on your ignorant stereotyping of many Americans, we know that you operate by rules of probability all the time. The problem in your case is just that you have either poor or insufficient info. But you are gradually learning a little bit each day and I'm proud to mentor you in your growth process.



Oh please.....you generalize all the time you mentally stultified dimwit. You think and speak in terms of the most ignorant stereotypes imaginable about "Americans," particularly right-wing Americans, that it truly is pathetic how clueless you sound.

You know far less about the United States than you think you do, and in particular you have no clue about the diversity of thought on the American right. Nothing demonstrates this better than you referring to Trump voters (a group of over 60 million people) as a "cult." If you knew anything at all about the various elements of the right, you would not make such an ignorant statement.

On that note, it's funny how you have completely avoided the topic of Karen Whitsett (black female Democrat in Michigan) being censured by the Michigan Democratic Party and Vernon Jones (black Democrat in Georgia) being viciously attacked by other Democrats over favorable remarks toward Trump. There is a cult in America, but it's the political side that you generally favor. You may want to look into the Whitsett situation a little bit before continuing to make completely clueless statements.

My man, you literally said "90% of the Democrats are morons" earlier in this thread. Please don't talk to me about generalizations.
 

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So I'm confused. Back when Biden was campaigning for Vice President, Tara Reade tweeted multiple times praising Joe Biden. How can we explain this in the context of her current accusations. I'm starting to lean towards not believing her and considering political bias given her love of Bernie and Putin. What else can I possibly think? :astonished-face:
 
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So I'm confused. Back when Biden was campaigning for Vice President, Tara Reade tweeted multiple times praising Joe Biden. How can we explain this in the context of her current accusations. I'm starting to lean towards not believing her and considering political bias given her love of Bernie and Putin. What else can I possibly think? :astonished-face:

You can bet the bank some rich Republicans are behind this, in a desperate attempt to save Trump’s failing presidency.
 
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You can bet the bank some rich Republicans are behind this, in a desperate attempt to save Trump’s failing presidency.
either that or Bernie supporters. In fact given the timing I'm thinking it's more likely to be Bernie guys I reckon
 
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