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I cannot stress enough.....Cuomo's decision to force nursing homes in New York to accept patients was beyond stupid. Trump sent the Comfort navy ship hospital to New York and had the Javits Center converted into a hospital.....yet both were barely used while Governor Meatball ordered that COVID patients be sent into nursing homes, which house the one demographic most vulnerable to this otherwise weak disease.

And left-wing idiots want to blame Trump for Cuomo being an idiot? Trump gave him the supplies and Cuomo simply bungled the situation. Remarkable.

State lacked common sense in nursing homes coronavirus approach: Goodwin
April 25, 2020

 

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Really it's Governor's Cuomo and Newsome.. seriously Joe can expedite the testing efforts and the much needed precautions against Covid-19.
None of these are leading the world. The world isn't looking to the United States as being the blueprint for Coronavirus response. But, on the subject of Joe... please explain how he can expedite testing efforts and much-needed precautions against Covid-19?
 

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And they said that Trump is a dictator. Look at what the Democratic mayor of Chicago is doing.....

MAYOR LIGHTFOOT THREATENS CITATIONS, JAIL TIME AFTER POLICE BREAK UP HOUSE PARTIES ACROSS CHICAGO

 

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None of these are leading the world. The world isn't looking to the United States as being the blueprint for Coronavirus response. But, on the subject of Joe... please explain how he can expedite testing efforts and much-needed precautions against Covid-19?
BB..you misinterpreted my point
It's the governor's who are leading the efforts in the US as far as the shut in mandates , social distancing, getting PPE for essential workers not Trump who is trying to govern with the bare minimum amount of government response to governors or Senators who are from states that are nice to him first.

As for Biden's campaign efforts and how he can lead..very simply.by telling the elected them officials just as he told Trump ..Listen to the health care scientists who has been preparing.for this type of pandemic for years

As for leading the world when this COVID-19 crisis is at a point of somewhat curtailed and the percentage of spreading this infectious virus is not as dangerous to the communities as a mass, Biden if he is the President will be looked at again as a world leader..I am talking about the office of President of the US not at Biden in particular...I hope this answers your question
 
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And they said that Trump is a dictator. Look at what the Democratic mayor of Chicago is doing.....

MAYOR LIGHTFOOT THREATENS CITATIONS, JAIL TIME AFTER POLICE BREAK UP HOUSE PARTIES ACROSS CHICAGO

Those clowns have had massive parties , if they are so ignorant and won't comply.. lock their dumbasses up because she is trying to save lives and limit the spread of the viruses.
 

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Those clowns have had massive parties , if they are so ignorant and won't comply.. lock their dumbasses up because she is trying to save lives and limit the spread of the viruses.


I’m glad to see that you support arresting people in parks (which many scientists say is a good place to be for your health) and not allowing people to freely associate. Just don’t ever call Trump a dictator again, okay?
 

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Interesting bit of info here.....the CDC released its latest numbers yesterday and only listed about 37,000 deaths from coronavirus as of May 1, which is about 30,000 less than the total being reported by CNN, Fox News, and every other outlet (which they are getting from Worldometer at Johns Hopkins).

This is yet another possible indication that the coronavirus dangers have been massively overstated and that most of this saga has been a sham.

Here is the CDC itself.....even with its loose guidelines for counting deaths as COVID, it only has 37,308 listed as its official total (there is a possibility here that these numbers are lagging behind but we will have to see):

 
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you misunderstand me, I understand the history. I can certainly understand the effectiveness in parts of the South, that part makes sense to me. I just don't get how it works in the mid-west and countryside in the northern states. As MLK said to his prison guard.."you should be on my side"
If you think the only deeply religious people in this country are in the South, you still don't understand. A lot of people in this country are deeply religious and essentially conservative and by that I mean in their own lives. Also very patriotic, which is something that the Republicans have tried to own for decades...basically since Vietnam. Which ends up with Trump kissing the flag and dry-humping it. Wrap yourselves in Jesus and the flag, go hard on abortion issues and "law and order," and you can push all the tax cuts for the wealthy that you want. You have people who live in trailers talking about estate taxes like it has anything to do with them. That's how it works.
 

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We talked about intersectionality before but that went nowhere either. You think it is a good think. I think it is a very dangerous think. I have cited historical facts before. Did not work. Agree to disagree and leave it at that. We cannot have a common ground in these discussions because you insist on seeing groups , I insist in seeing individuals. I see absolutely zero similarities in the lives, wants and needs of Anderson Cooper and the gay hooker selling his body on a street corner. Their "gayness" is not enough for me to classify them both in the same category. They are not even in the same universe !
Good night.
Just to be clear, YOU talked about intersectionality before. I don't use the word or really understand what you mean by it. I've only ever seen it used in conservative media.
 

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I’m glad to see that you support arresting people in parks (which many scientists say is a good place to be for your health) and not allowing people to freely associate. Just don’t ever call Trump a dictator again, okay?
Dude, her actions and the foolishness of Donald J Trump are mutually exclusive..don't get it twisted
 

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That really isn't as profound a phrase as you are trying to make it out be.

Let me say again, because it bears reapeating: THAT REALLY ISN'T AS PROFOUND A PHRASE AS YOU ARE TRYING TO MAKE IT OUT TO BE.

No, just because you don't understand that doesn't mean I didn't explain it. But I guess it was over your pay grade. Let me try again. Early days, Trump declared this virus situation to be a Democratic hoax designed to ruin his election chances. That is making a political weapon our of his own ego. And guess what? You bought it. Same with the media always being against him. Phrases like "I alone can fix this." And I don't mean just the COVID-19 crisis. This is his whole gestalt.
You have it backwards honey.....many of the Democrats want the economy to tank to hurt Trump's re-election chances. There is no way the Democratic governors would still be imposing these lockdowns if a Democrat was president and they wanted him re-elected.
You've forever insisting that you know what would happen in the alternate universe. And that's all you've got to "prove" that I've got it backwards. You believe you know for a "fact" that the Democrats did this to Trump, when all we really have to go by is that Trump himself declared it so. Which I call a manifestation of his own fragile ego. And as I said, you totally fell for it.
 

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If you think the only deeply religious people in this country are in the South, you still don't understand. A lot of people in this country are deeply religious and essentially conservative and by that I mean in their own lives. Also very patriotic, which is something that the Republicans have tried to own for decades...basically since Vietnam. Which ends up with Trump kissing the flag and dry-humping it. Wrap yourselves in Jesus and the flag, go hard on abortion issues and "law and order," and you can push all the tax cuts for the wealthy that you want. You have people who live in trailers talking about estate taxes like it has anything to do with them. That's how it works.
oh I get that. I've been to so many different parts of the States I don't have any illusions. And I certainly don't focus just on religion, or racism or whatever else. I just find it odd that the confluence of all of those factors still hold so much sway. But as you say even with all that, there's an emotional component I'm obviously missing. Personally I don't do emotion in my politics, that's the disconnect I guess..
 
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Dude, her actions and the foolishness of Donald J Trump are mutually exclusive..don't get it twisted

Oh okay. So it’s alright if a Democrat behaves like a dictator and has people arrested for routine social and business activities in what you think is a good cause, but Trump is not allowed to criticize the media. Otherwise he is a dictator.

Got it.
 

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Early days, Trump declared this virus situation to be a Democratic hoax designed to ruin his election chances.

And he was and still is mostly correct about that.

That is making a political weapon our of his own ego.

Right, but Andrew Cuomo blaming nursing homes for the consequences of his stupid order to have COVID patients sent into them and then threatening to have those same nursing homes investigated doesn't somehow draw your ire for being "narcissistic" or a "political weapon out of his own ego." Why is that? Why no condemnations of Cuomo for his character or perceived selfishness?

Let's all flip a mental coin.....he's a Democrat, and therefore to be treated with kid gloves by you. You can't bring herself to criticize a Democrat, no matter how stupid or incompetent their actions.

Trump sent a navy hospital ship to NY and had the Javits Center converted to a hospital. He also had a plethora of supplies sent to both facilities. And instead of using them, your Democratic governor left those Trump-provided spaces open and sent COVID patients into nursing homes. And then he blamed those same nursing homes for the inevitably ugly consequences. Yet all we get from you about that is crickets.



Meanwhile, Cuomo, after his initial denial of knowledge, quickly became a forceful defender of the policy. Day by day last week, he also began shifting the blame to the nursing homes.

One day he said it was “not our job” to provide them with equipment, even as aides insist the state has provided thousands of face masks, gowns and other items — including body bags.

The following day, the governor became even more hostile, vowing to investigate the homes and threatening to take away their licenses. An aide said the aim was to “get to the bottom of the high death count.”

If Cuomo really wants the truth, he will start his investigation in his own Health Department.

In the industry, his threats are viewed as a warning against criticism, with one owner certain it means “Cuomo is coming after us.”

Said another executive: “Our nurses are putting themselves at risk, then they go home and hear the governor’s criticism. So instead of cheers, we get crap. Now he’s tormenting us, just to protect a policy that was wrong-headed.”

 

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Personally I don't do emotion in my politics, that's the disconnect I guess..


LMFAO.....yeah okay. No emotion in your politics, huh?

Is that why for months upon months you posted every Russia collusion hoax story like a giddy child on their birthday? For you to say that you are unimpacted by emotion is hilarious. For as much as Moxie and I go back and forth, I will grant that she at least makes an attempt to be even-handed in a way that you do not.
 
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If you think the only deeply religious people in this country are in the South, you still don't understand. A lot of people in this country are deeply religious and essentially conservative and by that I mean in their own lives. Also very patriotic, which is something that the Republicans have tried to own for decades...basically since Vietnam. Which ends up with Trump kissing the flag and dry-humping it.

Right, and the endless lectures from Democrats about how they are the ones who truly represent "American values" have nothing to do with a moralistic patriotism. Only Republicans exploit such attitudes.

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Wrap yourselves in Jesus and the flag, go hard on abortion issues and "law and order," and you can push all the tax cuts for the wealthy that you want. You have people who live in trailers talking about estate taxes like it has anything to do with them. That's how it works.

Yes, as though the Democrats' ideas benefit their working class constituents, particularly blacks. For example, inner-city Baltimore has clearly benefited immensely by pledging its full support to the Democratic political machine there for the last 50 years. The Democrats have really done a great job uplifting those areas. Just fantastic.

Just for the record, Trump's policies up until the coronavirus silliness did far more to benefit the working class of this country than any of Obama's did: lowest African-American and Hispanic-American unemployment numbers ever recorded and the lowest unemployment rate overall in over 50 years. The Democrats knew that and that's why they love seeing the economy tank right now.
 

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LMFAO.....yeah okay. No emotion in your politics, huh?

Is that why for months upon months you posted every Russia collusion hoax story like a giddy child on their birthday? For you to say that you are unimpacted by emotion is hilarious. For as much as Moxie and I go back and forth, I will grant that she at least makes an attempt to be even-handed in a way that you do not.
I'm talking about when I vote you daft prick
 

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This thread is emblematic of how dysfunctional politics has become. Sure, politics has always been politics, but we’re in an age essentially void of anything beyond partisanship. Some would view it to be unethical, intolerable to agree with someone from a different poltical party. Negotiation — an essential aspect of political success — is gone. No one party is ever going to get everything they want, therefore any form of progress would require compromise. Not gonna happen.

It used to be that some members of Congress, regardless of party, would socialize with each other. I haven’t heard about any such activity in ages. I suspect if a Democrat and a Republican were spotted enjoying lunch together, they would both be shunned.

I may very well be wrong, but I doubt anything so political took place during the Spanish Flu. I can’t imagine a pandemic having been weaponized to such a degree in 1918. We’ve regressed, if anything. Instead of cooperation, we’re currently engaged in political trench warfare.

I also think that if any other President were currently in the White House, this would have been handled differently. Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, George H.W. Bush, Clinton, George W. Bush, Obama — none of them would have allowed their egos to have played a pivotal role. None of them would have interfered so dramatically with the advice of doctors and researchers who specialize in viruses and pandemics. All of them would have realized the most important part of being President is knowing when to defer to others. Citizens don’t expect their leaders to be medical experts; they expect them to consult experts. None of them would have been consumed with an endless stream of childish name calling, punishing states whose governors haven’t kissed his ring.

I would ask all Trump supporters to stand in front of a mirror, and say out loud: “Any other President would have discussed injecting disinfectants to cure a coronavirus.”

So much for the “big brain” from the “stable genius” who claims “I’m, like, a smart person.” Here’s a hint: anyone who’s genuinely a genius doesn’t need to say so. Only insecure people who know deep down they’re far from being an actual genius would say such thing.

We’re dealing with a failed businessman/reality TV star, who only ran for President for the publicity, in an attempt to get his TV show renewed. It’s almost beyond words: the most successfully unsuccessful publicity stunt of all time? And we have ample evidence that he sees everything in terms of television. I’d love to see a count of how many times he has referred to ratings, whether for himself or others. What other world leader has ever spoken about their TV ratings with such frequency? Imagine the outrage if Obama or George W. had done this.

I thought we had reached the bottom of the possibilities of Presidential incompetence with George W., but Trump has taken things to a previously unimaginable level. I’m at the point of wanting a President Pence, FFS!
 
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Personally I don't do emotion in my politics, that's the disconnect I guess..

I have to add to my prior post to you Federberg that if you do truly appreciate separating emotion from politics, then you should appreciate the black Democratic Representative Vernon Jones from Georgia breaking with the intense and irrational hatred black Americans have for the Republican Party to support Trump's campaign for re-election in 2020. Apparently Mr. Jones considers the likes of Moxie to be plantation owners. As an evenhanded political observer who doesn't "do emotion in his politics," this should be a pleasure for you to read:









 
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