US Politics Thread

[brokenshoelace]

Then you must think that Vernon Jones, a lifelong black Democrat from Georgia who just endorsed Trump for president in 2020, is not a "self-respecting human being." Then again, you are also someone who thinks that Ben Carson, a black neurosurgeon from inner-city Detroit, is a "racist piece of shit" for saying that Obama was raised white.

So, that's just you.

If you're curious of what Vernon Jones' reasoning is for switching his allegiance to Trump after being a Democrat all his life, you can watch this video:

My favorite Cali trick ever, is when he's so cornered that he literally has nothing to say (I mean even you can't defend the bleach injection thing) he'll point out to some Democrat because...reasons?

How does this address my point? The President of the United States suggested bleach injections as a way to combat the virus. What do you, an ardent Trump supporter, have to say about that? Please try to address this without bringing up the following words: "Democrats" and "Obama." I understand how difficult this must be, but please try.

You said later that he "misspoke." OK, if you believe that, I have a Unicorn to sell you. That a person could hear this and think "yeah no big deal" as opposed to "this guy is a fucking moron" could only mean that they're just as dumb, which to be honest, we all knew anyway.

 

[brokenshoelace]

That said, Trump made a mistake and misspoke about injecting disinfectant, just as you recently made a mistake when you misspelled Obama's first name as "Barrack." But it's a completely trivial matter. Who cares? Only anti-Trump bigots who hate him and who are waiting for him to screw up.

You're right. A random person on a tennis forum misspelling Obama's first name is exactly the same as the President of the United States, during one of the biggest crisis the country has ever experienced, suggesting that people are potentially injected with bleach as a means to combat the virus. It's exactly the same. Same level of importance, accountability, repercussions, everything.

The President addressing an anxious nation, and suggesting to millions, some of which follow him blindly, that bleach can be a treatment, is the same as misspelling Obama's name.

It took you days, and you came up with that.

I'd insult you like I normally do but truly, your post did that for you.

That's the level of IQ I'm dealing with kids...

 

[brokenshoelace]

When that's been the case it has been because of left-wing ideas, not right-wing ones.



Yes, and that's an example of the hypocrisy of the left-wing ideas that have dominated American foreign policy since World War I.

And any of the above negates my point how?

That not ONE US President has thought to himself: "hmmm, maybe killing thousands of innocents is a bad idea. I guess I gotta keep following those left-wing ideas" changes reality how?

 

[brokenshoelace]

Coherent policy? What would you say that was, then, exactly? He says we're going to be out of this in no time. That there will be few or no deaths beyond the 33 in March. He talks over and beyond his medical experts to the point of saying things that frighten people and have made his team having him stop holding daily briefings, because they're so disruptive. What has he done to bring together the governors of affected states and talk to the country about the need for unity? #Liberate Virginia...etc. Disjointed Rose Garden briefings and then tweets that off-set them is not a policy position. What about an address to the nation in our time of crisis? With a genuinely pro-active policy, including not making it a one-size-fits-all solution, which I'm fine with. How about assuring people that they're going to get their benefits, as promised, because most report that they are receiving nothing, so far. It doesn't matter that you tell me that only 7 people have died in Wyoming. Most people in this country are taking this pandemic seriously. They need to know what that means to them where they live. Where is the leadership from the top? I'd say an address to the nation is called for, and not just random press conferences and tweets.

That's a great, great post.

 

[brokenshoelace]

Oh please, shut the fuck up. You know damn well that in any conversation this board has ever had on "gays" or "homophobia" or "gay marriage" you have repeatedly made remarks to the effect that the only way anyone could object to gay marriage is if they believed in the "fairy tales" of the Old Testament

And I supposed you're going to show how I said THE ONLY WAY someone could object to gay marriage is the fairy tale of the Old Testaments? As if Muslims haven't treated gays even worse? Hell, please show me where I said THE ONLY WAY someone could object to gay marriage is religion.

But if you're going to sit here and act like there's not a big correlation (and causation, since the religious texts outright condemn homosexuality in a quite brutal way) then I'll have to take you even less seriously than I already do.

Right, so a logical fallacy now means referencing things you have said in the past and having more than surface knowledge of American politics like you.

Although.....just for fun, let's do this logical exercise if that's what you would like to engage in:

Explain what the rational connection is between atheism and believing in "gay marriage" and transgender surgery for 7-year-olds. Since you clearly think that atheists are benevolent humanitarians and only Bible-thumping right-wing Christians (unlike Bible-thumping left-wing Christians such as Pete Buttigieg) could object to these wonderful things, why don't you explain what the logical connection is between atheism and advocacy of gay marriage or transgender surgery?

Because apparently no atheists until roughly 1980 thought gay marriage was awesome. It's a wonder that they did not recognize this.

Nothing like trying to discuss logical fallacies by...committing a logical fallacy? Yet, again this is a straw-man.

I have never ever, not once, praised atheists as people. People are people. They can be good, bad or terrible. Criticizing religion, religious texts, and religious institutions, and the effects they have had on society =/= believing that atheists are all great people. The same way people who identify as Muslims, Christians, etc... can be good, bad or terrible. That I have to explain to you this cliche is truly something.

And not that it matters, but I've never called myself an atheist...precisely because it doesn't matter. Not believing in the books of monotheistic religions describing a vengeful God and stories that a 4 year old wouldn't believe, or condemning trivial acts with threats of eternal pain and suffering, is not the same as being an atheist.

 

[brokenshoelace]

Data shows that the US Coronavirus may actually be far greater than initially thought:

U.S. Coronavirus Death Toll Is Far Higher Than Reported, C.D.C. Data Suggests (Published 2020)

In seven hard-hit states, total deaths are nearly 50 percent higher than normal, according to new C.D.C. statistics, suggesting that the virus has killed far more people than the number in official counts.

www.nytimes.com

Hmmm...

 

[calitennis127]

Flynn was framed by the FBI? Why would a Republican influenced FBI frame Flynn who was working for Trump prior to the beginning of his Presidency. Explain please

Yes, Flynn was framed, AntiPusher. This new info confirms what I told you back in December. Utterly remarkable:

Powell: Unsealed FBI Handwritten Notes And Emails Reveal Agents Plotted Perjury Trap On Flynn

By
Sara Carter
-
April 29, 2020

Powell: Unsealed FBI Handwritten Notes And Emails Reveal Agents Plotted Perjury Trap On Flynn

U.S. District Court Judge Emmet G. Sullivan unsealed four pages of stunning FBI emails and handwritten notes Wednesday, regarding former Trump National Security Advisor Michael Flynn, which allegedly reveal the retired three star general was targeted by senior FBI officials for prosecution...

saraacarter.com

 

[calitennis127]

The WSJ article is behind a pay-wall, so I can't read it. But you seem to dismiss what the judge has said about any notion that there are mitigating circumstances to Flynn's lying. This is from USA Today, so hardly what you'd call "liberal media."

Judge rejects Michael Flynn's claims of a government conspiracy to frame him

Former national security adviser Michael Flynn, who pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI, is scheduled to be sentenced on Jan. 28.

www.usatoday.com

Well Moxie, like AntiPusher and Federberg, you were dead wrong about Flynn. As some other posters might say, "your post really aged well."

This new info confirms that you all were wrong about the Flynn case. He was actually framed. The notes don't lie:

Powell: Unsealed FBI Handwritten Notes And Emails Reveal Agents Plotted Perjury Trap On Flynn
By
Sara Carter
-
April 29, 2020

Powell: Unsealed FBI Handwritten Notes And Emails Reveal Agents Plotted Perjury Trap On Flynn

U.S. District Court Judge Emmet G. Sullivan unsealed four pages of stunning FBI emails and handwritten notes Wednesday, regarding former Trump National Security Advisor Michael Flynn, which allegedly reveal the retired three star general was targeted by senior FBI officials for prosecution...

saraacarter.com

 

[the AntiPusher]

Yes, Flynn was framed, AntiPusher. This new info confirms what I told you back in December. Utterly remarkable:

Powell: Unsealed FBI Handwritten Notes And Emails Reveal Agents Plotted Perjury Trap On Flynn

By
Sara Carter
-
April 29, 2020

Powell: Unsealed FBI Handwritten Notes And Emails Reveal Agents Plotted Perjury Trap On Flynn

U.S. District Court Judge Emmet G. Sullivan unsealed four pages of stunning FBI emails and handwritten notes Wednesday, regarding former Trump National Security Advisor Michael Flynn, which allegedly reveal the retired three star general was targeted by senior FBI officials for prosecution...

saraacarter.com

Why do you feel if you keep bombarding Us with your "extremely Right Wing" propaganda that we will " eventually" buy into it.. There's no one on this planet if you put a gun to their head will support any sort of innocence in Michael Flynn..

 

[Moxie]

You know, I replied to Cali's post about Flynn, but now I deleted it. He's distracting from a more important issue. Plus that's just a blog post from a Fox News reporter. When are we going to get a proper address from the President on the current crisis? I'm no monarchist, but Betty Windsor spoke to her people a month ago. Where is our calming voice in this crisis? Someone to tell us that, while we might not yet have all the answers, still there is someone at the helm? Little wonder that people are embracing Fauci and Cuomo. Fauci knows what he's talking about and has no bullshit filter, and Cuomo, for all of his faults, at least knows how to sound like someone's in control.

 

[the AntiPusher]

That was

You know, I replied to Cali's post about Flynn, but now I deleted it. He's distracting from a more important issue. Plus that's just a blog post from a Fox News reporter. When are we going to get a proper address from the President on the current crisis? I'm no monarchist, but Betty Windsor spoke to her people a month ago. Where is our calming voice in this crisis? Someone to tell us that, while we might not yet have all the answers, still there is someone at the helm? Little wonder that people are embracing Fauci and Cuomo. Fauci knows what he's talking about and has no bullshit filter, and Cuomo, for all of his faults, at least knows how to sound like someone's in control.

That was as much as I was gonna say about Flynn..I am done and will no.longer continuously chase down these " right wing bias " rabbit holes with Cali.. especially when he keeps deflecting from the ineptitude of #45 handling of the COVID-19 virus crisis.

 

[calitennis127]

He’s talking horse shit. He was not tricked. This is a 3 star who ran a government agency. He lied to the FBI, he knew the law. He wasn’t some ignorant dummy like Cali’s orange buffoon

Well Federberg it looks like you were the one talking "horse shit" with this post above on December 26th. Flynn was framed by the scum bags in the FBI and these recently released FBI notes prove it unambiguously. Fox News was right. You and CNN were wrong.

Here is the very intelligent former federal prosecutor Andy McCarthy breaking it down. Enjoy. Fox News was right, and CNN was wrong!

 

[calitennis127]

Thanks Federberg. I thought the "tricked " excuse sounds like an extreme right wing or Fox viewer gaslighting effort.

Lol....an extreme right wing or Fox viewer gaslighting effort? Too funny. (That's what you said above on December 26th AntiPusher.)

Go read the notes that were just released. They are explicit. And they make it clear that Trump's decision to fire Comey was completely justified. There is a handwritten note from an FBI official stating before the interview that the goal is “to get him to lie so we can prosecute him or get him fired.”

You and Moxie were just dead wrong. You went down with the CNN-Federberg ship.

 

[Federberg]

Well Federberg it looks like you were the one talking "horse shit" with this post above on December 26th. Flynn was framed by the scum bags in the FBI and these recently released FBI notes prove it unambiguously. Fox News was right. You and CNN were wrong.

Here is the very intelligent former federal prosecutor Andy McCarthy breaking it down. Enjoy. Fox News was right, and CNN was wrong!

did he tell an untruth to the FBI? Yes

You can spin it all you want. It is what it is. You're telling me a former head of an agency. A 3 star.. didn't know not to do that? Nah bruv...

 

[calitennis127]

Also, this is hilarious an it shows how you actually think:

"He's not. If he was, he would agree with President Kenyatta and the rest of Kenyan society on gay marriage (take a look at the videos on the Serious PC thread that I posted)."

Newsflash, you're allowed to actually disagree with your President. Being Kenyan doesn't automatically mean every person would share the president's views.

No, it only means that there is a very high probability that on the issue of gay marriage a Kenyan citizen would agree with the president of Kenya, if you actually look into the situation in that country a little bit. There is this one concept called "probability" that you may want to look up. It is a pretty good guiding principle to understanding societies, if you have the right info at your disposal. And, in fact, based on your ignorant stereotyping of many Americans, we know that you operate by rules of probability all the time. The problem in your case is just that you have either poor or insufficient info. But you are gradually learning a little bit each day and I'm proud to mentor you in your growth process.

I understand why you would make that confusion though, given the strict rules at the Trump cult.

Oh please.....you generalize all the time you mentally stultified dimwit. You think and speak in terms of the most ignorant stereotypes imaginable about "Americans," particularly right-wing Americans, that it truly is pathetic how clueless you sound.

You know far less about the United States than you think you do, and in particular you have no clue about the diversity of thought on the American right. Nothing demonstrates this better than you referring to Trump voters (a group of over 60 million people) as a "cult." If you knew anything at all about the various elements of the right, you would not make such an ignorant statement.

On that note, it's funny how you have completely avoided the topic of Karen Whitsett (black female Democrat in Michigan) being censured by the Michigan Democratic Party and Vernon Jones (black Democrat in Georgia) being viciously attacked by other Democrats over favorable remarks toward Trump. There is a cult in America, but it's the political side that you generally favor. You may want to look into the Whitsett situation a little bit before continuing to make completely clueless statements.

 

[calitennis127]

did he tell an untruth to the FBI?

No, he didn't. In fact, the original FBI recounting of the interview (in what are called "302" documents) stated that the FBI agents did not think Flynn was lying, and Comey testified to that fact. And even Politifact also acknowledged that the special counsel reiterated this:

"A partially redacted FBI memo — known as a 302 — states that the FBI agents said Flynn "did not give any indicators of deception." During Michael Flynn’s sentencing phase, the special counsel reiterated the agents’ impression."

Ultimately, your only basis for saying that he told an "untruth" to the FBI is that he plead guilty. But Flynn just explained that he only did that to protect his son from being charged and harassed over other issues.

So, again, let's repeat:

Fox News was right. CNN (and you) were wrong.

 

[Federberg]

No, he didn't. In fact, the original FBI recounting of the interview (in what are called "302" documents) stated that the FBI agents did not think Flynn was lying, and Comey testified to that fact. And even Politifact also acknowledged that the special counsel reiterated this:

"A partially redacted FBI memo — known as a 302 — states that the FBI agents said Flynn "did not give any indicators of deception." During Michael Flynn’s sentencing phase, the special counsel reiterated the agents’ impression."

Ultimately, your only basis for saying that he told an "untruth" to the FBI is that he plead guilty. But Flynn just explained that he only did that to protect his son from being charged and harassed over other issues.

So, again, let's repeat:

Fox News was right. CNN (and you) were wrong.

I think we both know we're not going to agree on this. So... bye bye now

 

[the AntiPusher]

did he tell an untruth to the FBI? Yes

You can spin it all you want. It is what it is. You're telling me a former head of an agency. A 3 star.. didn't know not to do that? Nah bruv...

That's what Cali keeps having selected amnesia..he acts like Flynn was Mister Rodgers.. Flynn was always as filthy as a London or NY City sewer..just a real cesspool of crap has always been in his resume

 

[calitennis127]

I think we both know we're not going to agree on this. So... bye bye now

Right, because you are in denial of the contents of the notes, emails, and text messages that were just released. They show unambiguously that Flynn was framed and placed in a perjury trap. One of the notes of the FBI officials explicitly says they are going to the interview to try to make him lie so that he can be prosecuted or fired.

You, Moxie, and AntiPusher were dead wrong. The info that was just released shows it clearly. And none of you three want to admit it.

 

[calitennis127]

That's what Cali keeps having selected amnesia..he acts like Flynn was Mister Rodgers.. Flynn was always as filthy as a London or NY City sewer..just a real cesspool of crap has always been in his resume

Lol.....I love how selective you are AntiPusher. I'm sure you were one of the people blasting Trump for dishonoring the military when he insulted that despicable "war hero" John McCain or when he criticized the Muslim parents of an Arab-American soldier who died in Iraq who were used as props by the Democratic Party to attack Trump at the 2016 Democratic Convention. In those cases, it was bad, really bad to insult the military. But then you can go ahead and say that Flynn was "always as filthy as a London or NY City sewer." Funny.

Why don't you just admit that it's hard for you to acknowledge how dead wrong you were about the Flynn case? The new documents released today show that the Flynn case was originally closed on January 4th, 2017 but the scumbag agent Peter Strzok forced it to be re-opened simply to target Flynn with a perjury trap and get him out of the Trump administration. But you don't want to open your eyes to any of this because it's too painful to see how wrong you and CNN were and to admit that Fox News was right.