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There's no question the US is better resourced but this is the type of scenario that's outside all tolerance points.

Oh so it's nice to hear you concede there is something good about the American healthcare system. Too bad I had to coax that out of you.

The US is also helped by having a better demographic profile to handle this.

That is absolutely ridiculous. It's a country of 327 million with various classes of people, whereas South Korea is a homogenous country of 51 million. South Korea has a huge demographic advantage over the U.S. for the purposes of fighting a pandemic.

I hope the worst doesn't happen, but given the trajectory at the moment, the delays in countering this pandemic, the fact that the depth of the problem in the US is still an unknown (due to testing delays), your health care system will be stressed like never before.

It if it will be stressed like never before, that will be because too many people go to get tested when they don't need it just to be part of the fad. Again, I agree with the MIT biologist and the Israeli disease expert that the coronavirus is nowhere near as ferocious as hysterical alarmists like yourself are suggesting. You and Britbox really need to get a handle on your emotions and calmly look at the data instead of screaming and panting hysterically.
 
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I acknowledged that will happen, but I also said the vast majority of those who contract the virus will survive and that this is therefore not worth shutting the global economy down over. I agree with the MIT biologist and Israeli infectious disease expert quoted above that the potency of the coronavirus is being greatly exaggerated to scare ordinary members of the masses like you, Moxie, Bwoken, Tented, and Federbergy
I don't think anybody on this thread or with an ounce of common sense doesn't agree that the vast majority of people will be fine.

Neither, do I think anybody contributing to this thread think they are in immediate danger. Just a guess, no evidence.

From my experience, ordinary masses aren't that scared about their own wellbeing either... but they do care for the wellbeing of others.
Oh so it's nice to hear you concede there is something good about the American healthcare system. Too bad I had to coax that out of you.



That is absolutely ridiculous. It's a country of 327 million with various classes of people, whereas South Korea is a homogenous country of 51 million. South Korea has a huge demographic advantage for the U.S. for the purposes of fighting a pandemic.



It if it will be stressed like never before, that will be because too many people go to get tested when they don't need it just to be part of the fad. Again, I agree with the MIT biologist and the Israeli disease expert that the coronavirus is nowhere near as ferocious as hysterical alarmists like yourself are suggesting. You and Britbox really need to get a handle on your emotions and calmly look at the data instead of screaming and panting hysterically.

You're certainly bigging up this MIT biologist... I'll give you that. Did you find him today on Google? Still, he's an upgrade over your previous expert reference point - Author Heather McDonald who wrote "War on Cops" and "The Diversity Delusion".
 

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I don't think anybody on this thread or with an ounce of common sense doesn't agree that the vast majority of people will be fine.

Right, so the question is whether shutting down the global economy for three months is warranted, given all the negative effects that will have. I do not believe that the data on coronavirus warrant going that far. The virus is not as potent as hysterical alarmists like you and Federberg are making it out to be.

You're certainly bigging up this MIT biologist... I'll give you that. Did you find him today on Google? Still, he's an upgrade over your previous expert reference point - Author Heather McDonald who wrote "War on Cops" and "The Diversity Delusion".

Heather MacDonald graduated from Yale, Cambridge, and Stanford Law School and is an accredited scholar and researcher. So if you're looking for credentials, she has them. But substantively she is definitely a more serious thinker than some female wannabe intellectual like Moxie or some white leftist worshipper like BwokenBoy, who swallows every lie of white leftists without even the tiniest bit of skepticism.
 

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Oh so it's nice to hear you concede there is something good about the American healthcare system. Too bad I had to coax that out of you.



That is absolutely ridiculous. It's a country of 327 million with various classes of people, whereas South Korea is a homogenous country of 51 million. South Korea has a huge demographic advantage over the U.S. for the purposes of fighting a pandemic.



It if it will be stressed like never before, that will be because too many people go to get tested when they don't need it just to be part of the fad. Again, I agree with the MIT biologist and the Israeli disease expert that the coronavirus is nowhere near as ferocious as hysterical alarmists like yourself are suggesting. You and Britbox really need to get a handle on your emotions and calmly look at the data instead of screaming and panting hysterically.
I swear your cray cray is exhausting. I don't recall anyone here criticising the American healthcare system. You might mistake our responses to you for criticism when we take a less jingoistic view about America. The only criticism we make is about the Trump Administration and it's manifest incompetence/negligence
 

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Right, so the question is whether shutting down the global economy for three months is warranted, given all the negative effects that will have. I do not believe that the data on coronavirus warrant going that far. The virus is not as potent as hysterical alarmists like you and Federberg are making it out to be.

I don't think I'm being alarmist Cali. I'm showing you the curves of contagion and the death rates and giving you data patterns... which you keep conveniently ignoring.

Guess what, You'll personally be fine... as will most people. But, it's a numbers game, and if you don't address it and flatten the curve then you end up with a lot of dead people. You keep ignoring the escalating numbers and start rambling about Swine Flu. At one point in the trajectory, swine flu will have only had 100 deaths also.

Anybody following this closely with half a brain is looking at exponential curves of contagion and death rates. You are looking at it from some lame tribal political angle.

Heather MacDonald graduated from Yale, Cambridge, and Stanford Law School and is an accredited scholar and researcher. She is definitely a more serious thinker than some female wannabe intellectual like Moxie or some white leftist worshipper like BwokenBoy, who swallows every lie of white leftists without even the tiniest bit of skepticism.

Accredited scholar in what field? I'm guessing since she majored in law, then she's probably not the best person to be quoting as your expert for virology or epidemiology. Still, you've found your new bloke now.
 

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Re: what I mean about low standards:

This moron above is playing semantics with Trump calling it a hoax but like the little fragile ego insecure little wuss that he is, isn't addressing literally the dozens, yes DOZENS, of lies Trump said about the virus. There's a fucking timeline with every lie. But hey, when you're a racist insecure conservative, as long as your guy is in power, that's all that matters.
 

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But then again, BwokenWooWace won't acknowledge that Trump was on top of this issue before the WHO director or that he took action a full month before the hoax comments that Broken is mischaracterizing. Why? He doesn't give a shit about actually looking at the facts and his intellectual standards are as low as they can possibly be.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

And yes, please talk to me more about intellect person who believes in a book whereby all the animals in the world boarded a boat.
 
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What's really funny about Cali is he thinks people are just ignoring certain things he's saying when really they're not worth addressing. This is not a cop out, but if you even begin to argue that Trump has been anything short of incompetent about this and ignore the fact that he lied repeatedly, and lied about lying (this is not up for debate, this is all on tape) simply because you don't care if a guy is a liar or lacks morals and was more concerned with a dick measuring contest than a pandemic (which he refused to acknowledge as such initially), why the fuck would anyone bother? I mean literally everyone pointed this out. At least Stuart Stevens had the balls to admit he made a mistake.

By the way how catholic is it to lie, put your people at risk and have zero sense of morals? I question that because how can someone stand for something that's so against their beliefs? Hilary wasn't any better by the way, to be clear. Maybe more politically equipped but she's an aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawful human being. So I don't want to hear any deflections. I want to hear how can someone who preaches Catholicism, defend Trump. But hey, anything goes when you're just as racist as your president.

And by the way I'm not by any means playing the race card to score points. Cali, by his own admission, is anti-Muslim, gays, and is insaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanely misogynistic, which makes sense for a virgin (again, if I'm wrong about that part, I'm sorry, I'm just assuming Cali practices what he preaches).
 

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Just to be clear, this is what's on video:

Trump claiming there will be a website, with Google assisting in putting it together. Of course, there's no website.

Ventilators? None.

Hospital ships? None.

Millions of test kits? LOL

And, like clockwork, here comes the "mainstream media is lying and you're brainwashed" bullshit.
 

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What's really funny about Cali is he thinks people are just ignoring certain things he's saying when really they're not worth addressing. This is not a cop out, but if you even begin to argue that Trump has been anything short of incompetent about this and ignore the fact that he lied repeatedly, and lied about lying (this is not up for debate, this is all on tape) simply because you don't care if a guy is a liar or lacks morals and was more concerned with a dick measuring contest than a pandemic (which he refused to acknowledge as such initially), why the fuck would anyone bother? I mean literally everyone pointed this out. At least Stuart Stevens had the balls to admit he made a mistake.

By the way how catholic is it to lie, put your people at risk and have zero sense of morals? I question that because how can someone stand for something that's so against their beliefs? Hilary wasn't any better by the way, to be clear. Maybe more politically equipped but she's an aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawful human being. So I don't want to hear any deflections. I want to hear how can someone who preaches Catholicism, defend Trump. But hey, anything goes when you're just as racist as your president.

And by the way I'm not by any means playing the race card to score points. Cali, by his own admission, is anti-Muslim, gays, and is insaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanely misogynistic, which makes sense for a virgin (again, if I'm wrong about that part, I'm sorry, I'm just assuming Cali practices what he preaches).
I wouldn’t at all be surprised if Cali is an incel. He’s probably responsible for the toilet roll shortage we’re having here
 
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As I’ve said before and I’ll say it again it’s not how good your systems are it’s how well you use them. This lack of testing is the whole game. I don’t know why he doesn’t get that
 

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This moron above is playing semantics with Trump calling it a hoax

No it's not semantics you fucking retard. It's simply a matter of looking at his actual quote, which is why Facebook flagged the Politico article you are getting your info from:

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This week, Check Your Fact rated two stories as false. “Trump rallies his base to treat coronavirus as a ‘hoax’ ” from Politico, and “Trump calls coronavirus Democrats’ ‘new hoax’ ” from NBC News, as highlighted by Popular Information’s Judd Legum. The fact-check explanation states that “Trump actually described complaints about his handling of the virus threat as a ‘hoax’. ”

 

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Anybody following this closely with half a brain is looking at exponential curves of contagion and death rates.

Yes, they are, and not everyone agrees with your alarmist conclusions about just how potent the coronavirus is. You are operating in this conversation off the assumption that it is terribly, terribly ferocious, and there is ample data to indicate that while it is serious, it is not worth shutting down the global economy over. Consider this new story from Bloomberg:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says

You are looking at it from some lame tribal political angle.

Right, so was I the one who giddily called this the Trumpvirus back in February or Trump's Chernobyl in March? No. That would be Democratic-leaning columnists at the New York Times and Washington Post who did that. They are the ones coming at it from "some lame tribal political angle."

I'm guessing since she majored in law, then she's probably not the best person to be quoting as your expert for virology or epidemiology. Still, you've found your new bloke now.

Her article wasn't about virology or epidemiology. She was just asking the big-picture questions about how fatal coronavirus actually is compared to other causes of death (flu, car accidents, and drug overdoses) based on statistics. I know that question is unacceptable to your mind right now, being that it is in a state of total paranoia and alarmism, but some of us do like to look at the actual numbers. And what has been made available on coronavirus leaves it as a very open question whether it's worth shutting the global economy down over.
 

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No, the figures I cited on deaths (roughly 12,400) and hospitalizations (roughly 274,000) from swine flu are solid figures about the past. They aren't wild-eyed prognostications about what could potentially happen down the road.



No, I'm actually thinking like this MIT biologist who says that fearmongering about coronavirus will go down as a huge fraud.

Dr. Shiva Ayyadurai, an MIT scientist with 4 PHD degrees and a researcher on the human immune system says this: “As an MIT PhD in Biological Engineering who studies & does research nearly every day on the Immune System, the #coronavirus fear mongering by the Deep State will go down in history as one of the biggest fraud to manipulate economies, suppress dissent, & push MANDATED Medicine!”

MIT biologist says fear mongering on coronavirus will go down as biggest fraud to manipulate economies


This Dr. Shiva is fake. First of all he himself does not claim he has 4 Ph.D. degrees. He has four degrees all from MIT, including a Ph.D. in systems biology.
He is well known for fake claims. He claims he is the inventor of email. This has been thoroughly disproven by historians of science. Finally, he is basically a politician now. He is running for US Senate in 2020 in Massachusetts.

Imagine an MIT scientist saying Rush Limbaugh agreeing with his ideas is a great honor for him. That is exactly what he did.
 
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but if you even begin to argue that Trump has been anything short of incompetent about this and ignore the fact that he lied repeatedly, and lied about lying (this is not up for debate, this is all on tape) simply because you don't care if a guy is a liar or lacks morals and was more concerned with a dick measuring contest than a pandemic (which he refused to acknowledge as such initially), why the fuck would anyone bother? I mean literally everyone pointed this out.

Lol....no, not everyone pointed this out. Everyone who you get your information from and everyone who you respect says that. But those aren't the only people in the world who comment on political affairs. What's absolutely hilarious about you is how you think you have such a broad view of the world but you're getting information ultimately from one demographic: white left-wing people in the United States and Western Europe. You adore them, worship them, and believe everything they say unquestioningly. You claim to understand the United States without even knowing the slightest thing about the political opposition to your white leftist idols. All you do is throw the entire right wing of American politics into one category of "Fox News" - a channel which you clearly know nothing about and have not watched at all. Nor do you have any interest in learning about this topic.

The right in American politics is highly, highly diverse in its thought. There are an array of publications and commentators. Many of them have immense differences with each other. There is actually far more diversity of thought on the American right than the American left. Yet you know nothing at all about this and throw every single American right-wing thinker into one category of "Fox News" - which, again, you know nothing about. Smearing huge groups of people with negative generalities is, according to your own definitions, "bigotry." And that is exactly what you do with the portion of America that you loathe. You are a total bigot, and that goes hand-in-hand with your brazen ignorance.

By the way how catholic is it to lie, put your people at risk and have zero sense of morals?

You're absolutely right. That is not a Catholic way to be. But that is not what Trump has done in this situation. Your white leftist idols are misinforming you.

But hey, anything goes when you're just as racist as your president.

Go ahead and define "racism." I'd love to hear your definition.

And by the way I'm not by any means playing the race card to score points.

Yes you are. You can't think outside the box that your white left-wing mental slavemasters have imposed on your mind. You can only use their language and their vocabulary. You know nothing else.

Cali, by his own admission, is anti-Muslim, gays, and is insaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanely misogynistic,

You're right that I do not believe in glorifying homosexuality like your white leftist idols and I consider it to be socially destructive behavior. And for the record I vastly prefer regular Muslims throughout the world to the white leftists you adore. I am actually closer to most Muslims on the question of gay marriage than I am most people on Fox News, who have accepted gay marriage as a fact of life.

With respect to Islam overall, I actually think it has some very laudable aspects to it. I think that what the U.S. did to the decent people of Iraq was criminal. The Iraqi people under Saddam actually exemplified Christian morals far better than most Americans. That said, Islam has some clear elements of hostility toward Christians and non-believers. It also clearly calls for warfare in parts of the Qu'ran and hadith. For that reason, I don't think allowing massive Muslim immigration into Western countries is wise. It is destabilizing.

My belief about how to treat the Islamic world is essentially to stay out of its affairs and limit immigration from its countries to meaningful business activity. In other words, if I was in charge there would be no bombing of Iraq and Libya, but nor would there be hostile Islamic enclaves in Brussels and other parts of Europe. Relations would be friendly.

which makes sense for a virgin (again, if I'm wrong about that part, I'm sorry, I'm just assuming Cali practices what he preaches).

Lol.....you are a nerd who thinks that he sounds cool by extending words with 20 extra letters. I feel no need to defend myself to you on this front. However, I will say as an intellectual point about Catholicism that equating it with the most idealistic puritanical standards is asinine. Numerous historically Catholic countries (such as Italy, Poland, or Mexico) are sexually tolerant places, in the sense of not burning people for premarital sex. So your characterization of Catholicism as some kind of draconian system is preposterous. The theology is certainly idealistic and other-worldly, but the way regular people apply it is not as fundamentalist as you are making it out to be.
 

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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

And yes, please talk to me more about intellect person who believes in a book whereby all the animals in the world boarded a boat.


Trump declared a public health emergency on January 31st in response to coronavirus. He ordered that Americans abroad be quarantined on military bases. Then on February 2nd he enacted a travel ban on non-U.S. citizens who recently visited China. He did this a week after the director general of the WHO said that people don't have to worry about the disease spreading outside of China.

As far as your reference to the early stories of the Bible: if you treat the Old Testament as a modern journalistic account of events, you are much dumber than I even thought.
 

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I wouldn’t at all be surprised if Cali is an incel. He’s probably responsible for the toilet roll shortage we’re having here

Federberg, you are an effeminate Brit with the emotional profile of an 11-year-old girl. As such, I could totally see you with a woman - assuming she is a very bland, mild Brit herself who appreciates that you would not hurt a fly. She probably also likes the fact that her gay make-up artist could easily beat you up in a fight. It reminds her of how nonthreatening you are.

As for preferences in women: I generally prefer non-white women. I feel very blessed to have been involved with women from various races. It has been very enriching - and pleasurable.

Now go back to your little Daisy, and let her spank you with that plastic paddle you hide under your bed. You can sing "twinkle, twinkle, little star" to her with your British accent before she calls you a bitch and shows you who is boss on the mattress. We know that she is the one with the testosterone in that situation. She'll have you yelling out "daddy" in no time.
 
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Federberg, you are an effeminate Brit with the emotional profile of an 11-year-old girl. As such, I could totally see you with a woman - assuming she is a very bland, mild Brit herself who appreciates that you would not hurt a fly. She probably also likes the fact that her gay make-up artist could easily beat you up in a fight. It reminds her of how nonthreatening you are.

As for preferences in women: I generally prefer non-white women. I feel very blessed to have been involved with women from various races. It has been very enriching - and pleasurable.

Now go back to your little Daisy, and let her spank you with that plastic paddle you hide under your bed. You can sing "twinkle, twinkle, little star" to her with your British accent before she calls you a bitch and shows you who is boss on the mattress. We know that she is the one with the testosterone in that situation. She'll have you yelling out "daddy" in no time.
ok... "10" :lol6:
 
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